The policing enigma of football fans in Australia

By NUFCMVFC / Roar Guru

A recent article in FourFourTwo has belatedly touched on an interesting undercurrent to the A-League crowd behaviour debate.

The fact it has been quite clear to the fans in the stands means the word ‘unprecedented’ is a little inaccurate in describing the challenge being faced by Western Sydney Wanderers fans. The phrase ‘back to the future’ is much more applicable than ‘unprecedented’.

This is because the phenomenon observed has been witnessed before, in the A-League’s second season, through the growth witnessed at Melbourne Victory.

Indeed it was clear to many a Melburnian that their city had embraced the A-League early on in a way Sydney had not.

Firstly, it should be recognised (by the football media especially) that the current phase of crowd trouble headlines is nothing new.

Similar to the Western Sydney fans’ ‘passion is not a crime’ protest following disproportionately negative headlines after the second Sydney derby at Allianz Stadium, back in season two the Melbourne Victory fans were incensed by disproportionately negative headlines that clouded the milestone of reaching over 50,000 spectators in a regular season game at Telstra Dome (now Etihad Stadium).

Similar to the ‘passion is not a crime’ initiative, the Melbourne fans came out with an ‘axis of evil’ protest the following home game versus the now defunct New Zealand Knights at the old Olympic Park.

This is without going into the rather simplistic debate over the causes and solutions of A-League crowd behaviour that often occur.

The article touches on the role of the police force, in this case the NSW Police Force.

As part of the debate it needs to be recognised that policing collectively minded football crowds requires a different skill set to policing more individually oriented AFL/NRL/cricket crowds.

What is interesting is the frequent talk of the ‘need’ for a crackdown, a good example was the following ‘crackdown’ article that appeared in the Herald Sun in April.

The article contained the following passage relating to the perspective of then Victorian Acting Assisting Commissioner Rick Nugent:

Mr Nugent said there had been a change in soccer crowd behaviour in recent months ‘inconsistent with the behaviour of supporters in other sporting codes.

“We can have 100,000 people at the MCG for Collingwood and Carlton, but yet you just don’t see the number of incidents per supporter head that you do, unfortunately, in recent times in the soccer,” he said.

This can be considered a good reflection of the lack of understanding that pervades some sections of the security institutions.

As a consequence of football support being articulated differently to support at other crowds, the nature of how anti-social behaviour is articulated in football terms is different to that of other Australian sports.

This is perfectly understandable, as football was a minority sport for so long and crowds of the old NSL weren’t as large as the A-League.

It naturally takes time and experience for the policing know-how to recognise the indicators of genuinely anti-social behaviour and the techniques required to effectively handle it.

It is worth quoting Professor Clifford Stott from the FourFourTwo article at this point, with regards to the talk of ‘crackdowns’ and ‘zero tolerance’ approaches:

“You don’t want to go down the road of a crackdown – because crackdowns can themselves actually create the problems that everyone is seeking to avoid,” he said.

In the above quote, Professor Stott has raised an interesting but regrettably unexplored aspect of the fan behavioural issues.

In reacting to negative media reports, the FFA often talk about a ‘zero tolerance’ approach and over the years penalties have been become increasingly stiffer to the point where there are now five -year bans being handed out for increasingly innocuous infringements of the so-called FFA spectator code of conduct.

Indeed it is the FFA more than the police and stadium security whose approach has been the most disappointing, because they are a football specific institution and are in a position to know better.

During a heated Melburnian-based fan forum held a few years ago I tried to emphasise the crux of the research done by Stott and others to the then A-League chief Lyall Gorman (who is now the CEO of Western Sydney), essentially to understand that football disorder occurs as a result of interaction between groups (eg two sets of fans or a group of fans and a group of security/police personnel).

I then asked whether it would be a better idea for the FFA to engage behavioural scientists (of which Clifford Stott is one), to which there was a spin-doctored response in reply and the FFA have since persevered with their archaic approach, which treats fans as the problem rather than as part of the solution.

New CEO David Gallop has come into the game with an open ear and done some good early work, such as putting an FFA Cup initiative back on track.

But he has continued the similarly dismissive noises as Gorman when it comes to fans concern about the fan management regime.

The Melbourne Victory and Western Sydney fans are the two highest quality sets of active fans in Australia, bringing theatre and a carnival atmosphere to the A-League.

Interestingly they are also the most controversial and the negative headlines have often centred around matches involving these two teams.

This has meant they have increasingly been the target of an FFA crackdown through their Hatamoto consultants (who, unlike consultants like Clifford Stott, have a background which is curiously and even bizarrely in anti-terrorism rather than football crowd management).

It is hardly surprising then to see pushback in the form of silent protests held by Melbourne and Western Sydney fans against Newcastle and Wellington respectively towards the end of the season.

It is worth the FFA considering, despite the negative headlines and the impact unruly active fans supposedly have on passive family type fans, crowds at Western Sydney and Melbourne matches continued to grow throughout the season.

The silent protests were a good reminder that the FFA should think twice before again fundamentally undermining the active fan groups which provide so much exciting theatre at A-League games.

The previous aggressive crackdown was a major factor in the stagnation of crowds that occurred from season four onwards.

In the wake of the negative media articles and the opinions of editorials this season it is worth noting the following line from the FourFourTwo article:

“And despite lurid media reports condemning behaviour by some Wanderers fans – including a much-publicised confrontation with outdoor diners – Stott said Australia did not have a significant problem.”

The Crowd Says:

2013-07-15T22:35:23+00:00

Tristan Rayner

Editor


Good on you Floydy. I'm sure it'd be a good time.

2013-07-15T10:48:57+00:00

Tristan Rayner

Editor


The original appalling comment wasn't originally picked up, but was removed when it was. We don't manually moderate every post, we get thousands of comments every day. Check the bottom of the homepage - The Roar has received 64,800 comments in the past 30 days. It's a stretch for us to be able to maintain a great community of posters across this many words and posts. In short, if you don't report the comment, we may not get to it very quickly. We've removed it now, and the person is obviously banned. Thanks, Tristan (Ed.)

2013-07-15T09:22:26+00:00

NY

Guest


It is unbelievable that this remark didn't get taken down. It just shows how Anglo this website really is. That is why less and less Football supporters come here, and it will go down more.I'll stick to just posting on Wanderers forums from now. You should just stick to being a cricket/rugby union website in my opinion, as I don't think this formula is working. I wil not say anything good about this website if someone mentions it to me. There is far too much ugliness on this site which makes people behave in really ugly ways. Goodbye.

2013-07-03T10:55:00+00:00

ciudadmarron

Guest


Why is it particular to soccer? Are you talking about crowd violence? Because it's not, for a start. Aussie Rules has a litany of bad, and violent, crowd behaviour, and not just in the distant past either. Your description of fans shouting each other is laughable, especially if you've been to a Carlton Collingwood match. Have you not seen the youtube footage of fans punching on inside the crowd? (isolated incidents your honour.... sure.... and just as isolated as incidents at football matches, as it happens - check out the statistics released by the police, because per head there is little difference) But it's not alone. The thing is, football is played all over the world; so anywhere where there is crowd violence at a sporting match, it is statistically more likely to be a football match than anything else. Sociologically speaking, it is a game for the poorer classes of the world, as you don't need anything to play it - it is therefore popular in places where again there is a greater statistical likelihood of there being violence. But perhaps you are just talking about inflamed passion; and what people like yourself fail to realise is that football inflames passion more than other sports not because it is "boring", but quite the opposite. The underdog has a greater chance in football than in most other sports - just one goal is needed, or even a draw can be a victory. But aside from the goals, there is a huge amount of subtlety and beauty involved in the play.

2013-07-02T02:09:37+00:00

nachos supreme

Guest


"Who are ya?Who are ya" as in aping the English?

2013-07-01T23:40:28+00:00

mahonjt

Guest


Our interests are not this website. Our interests are football and the global bredth of humanity that love it. Your outnumbered and you are scared. Jog on mate - go back to where YOU come from.

2013-07-01T23:37:37+00:00

mahonjt

Guest


You are looking in a mirror then.

2013-07-01T23:34:18+00:00

mahonjt

Guest


Bingo!

2013-07-01T11:59:24+00:00

Floyd Calhoun

Guest


A good mate of mine( Aussie Rules follower) who swore he'd never watch a game of Football(soccer to some) again following the FA Cup final of 93, is now a Victory supporter who goes to every home game. When I asked about crowd problems, he said he'd never experienced any. He did, however add, that if you're wearing the home colours, nobodies going to bother you anyway. Except possibly the 20% of the crowd representing the visitors. That's unlikely apparently. I wouldn't mind going down to Melbourne to watch a Victory game with him to get a sense of it myself.

2013-06-30T13:03:40+00:00

Neil

Guest


As an oldie I travel a few times a year to A League away games each year and end up joining with the young people in the away crowd and have to say the security and police are sometimes very over the top and most times just plain rude to some fans. They do not understand the culture of football spectators chanting and singing in unison. Before any nutjob from another code lays into me for being a new Australian , I am a fifth generation Anglo/Irish Australian in my late fifties. However flares do frighten security personal and can be dangerous so I hope those who them to matches stop. We in football have to be better behaved than other codes because of the anti-football bias in the mainstream media. The young of today are bringing new life to the game with their support and it is great to see Australians from all backgrounds embracing the culture of football.

AUTHOR

2013-06-30T12:31:26+00:00

NUFCMVFC

Roar Guru


Not necassarily...

2013-06-28T06:43:42+00:00

Connor

Roar Rookie


Excuse me. I have attended quite a few SFC games with friends before, and always had a pleasant time. I was merely commenting on a potential problem that Australian society may have to face one day, if we aren't facing it already. Like it or not, you can't deny that hooliganism exists and is a problem in other countries. Violence in sport is unacceptable (be it player or spectator) and I believe that we must teach this to our children to ensure that they can go to sports games without fear of being assaulted or whatever. You're right about Europe though. Never seen a reason why I should go there, when you can find everything here in Australia.

2013-06-28T00:17:26+00:00

Nelson

Guest


*BANG* *BIFF* *KAPOW!* Mr Nufc laying the smackdown on ill-informed comments!

2013-06-27T23:21:11+00:00

Jukes

Guest


Martyn50 now is your chance to call someone an Ape...........take it you banana.

2013-06-27T22:45:18+00:00

Fussball ist unser leben

Roar Guru


"you should go back to where you come from." @Martyn50 Unless you are an Indigenous Aussie, I say the same to you. Or, perhaps, you are a descendant of the convict class &, therefore, criminal behaviour is part of your genetic composition?

2013-06-27T22:04:32+00:00

Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party

Guest


oh dear.

AUTHOR

2013-06-27T14:11:07+00:00

NUFCMVFC

Roar Guru


Might be worth reading the last line of the article again

2013-06-27T14:02:33+00:00

Martyn50

Roar Rookie


[Comment removed - mods]

2013-06-27T13:38:00+00:00

Freddie

Guest


Goodness me, what a little xenophobe you appear to be. "In this country" "overseas supporters" "Australians are law-abiding citizens" Really? What about the woman who was punched in the face at the Richmond/Carlton AFL game last year? What about the many evictions at the cricket every year? What about the misbehaving AFL and NRL players who make headlines week in, week out for anti-social antics? Are they all foreign blow-ins too? Grow up.

2013-06-27T13:21:13+00:00

AdamS

Roar Guru


I'm beginning to see the problem.

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