Football ratings and attendances for September and October

why do you bother, you seem to have to say WHY PTV and not FTV 14 times in this post and you keep getting asked why why why. Clearly people 1) Cant read 2) Can read but not understand 3) Read it bit ignore what is being said because they don't like the answer It is understandable why you are doing PTV only, you have said it again and again, it is the only 1 that all 4 codes are on and it is the only one that is national. you must be banging your head against a brickwall over some of this. Now having said that I think HAL is the most disadvantaged on FTA only showing one game per week,with some questions on how accurate ABC and SBS figures are with oztam. But well done for doing this, and keep it to PTV you have a sound logic for doing it this way.

Yes but are their demographic biases involved with just looking at foxtel figures (only about a third of households have foxtel) Low income households are almost certainly biased against looking just at foxtel figures. Also people with young families who work long hours also are probably less inclined to bother with pay tv because they don't have the spare time to watch lots of TV so don't bother with it.My guess is affluent retired people would be the biggest foxtel demographic.

AFL digital pass was being pushed this year too - we got onto it - - dropped out an awful lot but a couple of times got a good look at a game.

The code war would probably be between league and Rugby. The NRL does have their war chest now, so would be prepared to back a Perth team for 20 or so years - like the Storm which is still being subsidised over 6 million a year after 17 years and GWS which will require a similar length of time. There are a lot of SA and English people there, who generally prefer Rugby, but it will depend on NSW and QLD workers in the mines - if it continues they will support a NRL team.

I'm assuming a third team in Perth would be Northern Suburbs based, but would it be embraced like the Fremantle team was? It would be interesting to see what they call the team, North Perth maybe. If it was popular, it could have the affect of cannibalising West Coast a bit.

Its debatable Perth could have a third team based upon the fact there a lot of NSW and QLD ex-pats moving to Perth and those area's you are citing. An old school mate of mine lives and works in Perth and she can't stand AFL - she misses her NRL and rugby. The West Coast Pirates are gradually building a nice junior base I believe - the NRL will have a team there before long. The AFL is already struggling with having too many teams in Melbourne, just like the NRL is with too many teams in Sydney. The point to consider is the West Coast Eagles have too much parochial support, as do the Dockers. They like their Derbies and the "three is a crowd" reality would bury a third team. An NRL team in Perth would be interesting though, they'd just about be ripe for one over there. The NRL missed the boat the first time around when they had the Western Reds, they won't miss it this time around, now the Western Force are stabilising, and the A-League has a solid presence there. It would raise the temperature in the code war just a notch or two.

No doubt perth could support another AFL team tomorrow..freo and the eagles are two of the biggest clubs in Australia and have thousands paying to be on their waiting lists for a membership! I wouldn't be surprised that if part of the negotiations around the new stadium there was an assurance that Perth will get another team at some point. An extra 12 games of footy per year would obviously make the stadium significantly more economically viable.

Perth is up around 2 million and surrounded ( south) by the very fast growing Bussleton and Bunbury. there is more than enough of a population for a 3rd AFL team.

The Big Bash League isn't on Fox.

I appreciate both cities. I love Sydney and I love Melbourne. I did read a report in the Age suggesting Melbourne could overtake Sydney in terms of population by 2030. The main reason is - high property prices in Sydney is driving people south, as is the poor road and public transport networks, and better chances of finding employment. Sydney is going to get more and more expensive in terms of property and rent as competition for accommodation increases. I'm not sure if Melbourne has the space to be able to sustain or maintain such a growth in population. Sydney does - especially in Western Sydney, which the NSW Government is fast racking the development of - in particular Parramatta and Liverpool. My gut feeling is the NSW Government will look to expand the business network into regional coastal cities such as Wollongong and Newcastle. If anything, I don't want see either Melbourne or Sydney lose its character, its uniqueness, or its importance. I do believe the Sydney / Melbourne rivalry has fuelled the fierce debates over the Swans, the COLA, and the northern states academies. Although I'm of the belief there are still VFL purists having too much say and power in how the game is being run. The WA and SA clubs are impacted by it too, not just the "expansion clubs," a term old South Melbourne supporters find offensive about theirs, and rightly so. However the Swans winning the premiership in 2012 sent the rivalry into overdrive.

The thing is Brisbane is surrounded by Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and Pine rivers Shire which pushes that whole region up to 3 million people - which is why it such a key market for all the codes. Perth is surrounded by... i dunno - desert?

Also according to the ABS in the next couple decades we will see Perth overtake Brisbane and Melbourne overtake Sydney… Wouldn't want to live in Melbourne put a lot of people are moving there!

Quite possibly. The latest stats from the ABS *do* show Sydneysiders are relcoating to good ol bleak city in records numbers. Maybe its Sydney folk, with their well-worn reputation for turning up to sporting events, that are packnig out the international events down south. I gotta admit though, Sydney is a very very very nice place to look at.

Ha i love the hate/rivalry between sydneysiders and melbournians…no wonder they had to make canberra the capital.

Thank God for tourists to the bleak city (Australia's sporting capital) both from O/S & within Australia I say!!!!

a total waste of time not getting any FTA figures

20 million is not true - its a possible audience and not verifiable