Will a team outside the top four challenge for the flag?

By Edan Nissen / Roar Rookie

Finally, the pointy end of the football season arrives. All home-and-away matches have been completed and 10 teams have been eliminated from the competition, leaving the last eight teams to battle it out for superiority in the finals.

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One age old question continues to permeate through the years since the replacement of the McIntyre final eight system – which team will be the first to win a premiership from outside the top four?

Since the introduction of the current set up, no team that finished outside the top four has made it to the grand final, let alone won the competition. The last time a side from outside the top four made the grand final was 1999, after Carlton pulled off an upset over the premiership favourites in Essendon.

Once again the challenge is on those clubs finishing between fifth to eighth to see if they can break the curse and do when no team has done since Adelaide in 1998 and win the flag. This year the challengers are Richmond, Western, Adelaide and North Melbourne.

Fifth: Richmond
Record against Top 8 Sides: 4-5
Record against Top 4 Sides: 3-2

Perhaps seen as the best chance of those sides to finish outside the top four, especially given their winning record against the sides that finished in the top four. However, their poor record in their last two finals campaigns will count against them. Richmond has made the finals for three straight years but have failed to make it out of the first round, having lost to Port Adelaide and Carlton in the past two attempts.

They will face North Melbourne in the first week of the finals, a team they have played twice already, losing in their Round 6 clash, but beating them last round. Passing this challenge would mean that they would have to face Sydney or Adelaide out of state, and while Richmond did beat Sydney at the SCG in Round 13, repeating the feat and in a final would be another challenge altogether.

Another advantage many see Richmond as having is that they managed to not only comfortably beat Hawthorn, but also beat Fremantle in Perth, a feat only West Coast have managed to do.

Sixth: Western Bulldogs
Record against Top 8: 5-3
Record against Top 4: 2-3

Coming in with a positive record against top eight sides, the Bulldogs’ meteoric rise has seen them finish in sixth, securing a home final against Adelaide in the process. The two met in Round 4 when the Dogs convincingly beat the Crows at Etihad.

The Dogs have certainly been the surprise packet of the year, after finishing 10th last season. They have uncovered some genuinely talented players in Mitch Honeychurch and Caleb Daniel, while building on the existing talent and covering for the early loss of midfielder Tom Liberatore.

If the Dogs make it past the first week, they will face either West Coast in Perth or the Hawks in Melbourne. While the Dogs did manage to beat West Coast in Melbourne in the first round, West Coast destroyed the Dogs, winning the return match by 77 points in Round 21. In their only game against the Hawks, they lost by 70 points. This left the Bulldogs an uphill battle to make it past the second round of the final, let alone win the entire competition.

Seventh: Adelaide
Record against Top 8: 3-5
Record against Top 4: 1-4

Adelaide have had a remarkable season, having lost their coach in tragic circumstances half way through the year. To not only bounce back from the tragedy but to pull off their most impressive victory – beating the Eagles by 57 points in the lead up to the final – shows the strength of the side.

Adelaide face the Bulldogs in the first week of the finals, and if they are to win, they will need to play every single one of their finals away from home – making a difficult task even harder. On the chance that they do beat the Dogs in the elimination final, they would be staring down a match up against the Hawks or West Coast, followed by another interstate trip to face either Fremantle or Sydney.

Undoubtedly the biggest challenge facing the Crows is their abysmal record against top four sides this year, having only emerged as the winners once in their five matches. That record, on top of what would be an arduous travel schedule would surely kill any chance the Crows have on making an indentation on this final series.

Eighth: North Melbourne
Record against Top 8: 3-6
Record against Top 4: 2-3

North rounds out the top eight. They are however not looking to just make up the numbers having followed Fremantle’s lead and rested their some of their star players in their Round 23 match against Richmond. North head into the finals series with a losing record against top eight sides and top four sides, which make their task very difficult to pull off. It shows exactly why winning a premiership from outside the top four is so difficult.

North will take on Richmond in the first week of the finals and will be hoping that the week’s rest for some of their players will mean that they are ready to fire come their elimination final. However, even if they do manage to knock off Richmond and make it to the second week as they did last year, they would be facing an interstate trip to either Sydney or Perth to face the loser of the first qualifying final.

While North did beat Fremantle in their Round 21 encounter, that match was played at in Melbourne and the Dockers are a completely different outfit when faced on their home turf – something that the Roos discovered when Freo beat them by 73 points at Domain Stadium in Round 8.

While there is always the chance for an upset in football, especially when it comes to the finals, this year doesn’t seem like it will be any different.

The Crowd Says:

2015-09-09T02:31:32+00:00

slane

Guest


Edan, I'd say if anybody is confusing chance and eventuality it is yourself. Nobody has said that the Dogs or Tigers WILL win the flag, they have just acknowledged that they are in with a chance. Richmond has already beaten most of the teams in the 8 this season. That doesn't mean they WILL win the flag, it just means they CAN win it.

AUTHOR

2015-09-09T01:10:17+00:00

Edan Nissen

Roar Rookie


You are confusing statistic chance with eventuality. Just because it has the chance to happen, doesn't necessitate that it will happen. Don't get me wrong, I really like Western and hope they do well, but I wouldn't be over confident about them going all the way. Win a final, build momentum for the next couple of seasons and try to crack the top 4 for a real tilt at the flag.

2015-09-08T13:13:57+00:00

mattyb

Guest


We dare to dream???.

2015-09-08T12:22:40+00:00

13th Man

Guest


bottom of the WAFL ladder. absolute basket case are Perth.

2015-09-08T12:18:58+00:00

13th Man

Guest


mate, I think they are dangerous. They are more like Port last year than Carlton. They have beaten 3 of the top 4 sides this year. 2 away from home on tough road trips. Why can't they make it? And btw i'm not a Richmond fan, i'm a Freo fan but the team I am most nervous to play........ Richmond.

AUTHOR

2015-09-08T11:57:19+00:00

Edan Nissen

Roar Rookie


mattyb, I'm willing to offer good odds that say that doesn't happen.

AUTHOR

2015-09-08T11:56:28+00:00

Edan Nissen

Roar Rookie


Then I am at a loss to explain these delusional thoughts. Same time last year it was Tiger fans that believe that they could go all the way

2015-09-08T07:50:10+00:00

mattyb

Guest


Footscray is my tip for the flag.Statistics say that eventually a team from outside the top for will win the premiership so statistically there is a chance that could be this year. GO DOGGIES!!!

2015-09-08T04:21:21+00:00

Josh

Expert


I think one of Richmond or North is a good chance to win two finals and hand Sydney a straight-sets exit, but they won't get any further than that with a prelim against the Eagles or Hawks to follow.

2015-09-08T03:23:29+00:00

JohnD

Guest


The current system is a lot fairer, I think.

2015-09-08T03:14:36+00:00

Mattchewbaca

Guest


Who's playing for Perth these says? Paul Peos still?

2015-09-08T02:27:05+00:00

Anonymous

Roar Pro


The only very remote chance is North or Richmond. Unfortunately, the winner of the Bulldogs v Adelaide game will be mauled by either the Hawks or the Eagles in the second week. The winner of North v Richmond has the best chance as they will face a depleted Sydney outfit who will coming back from the long trip west. If either can snare that game and get a prelim against the Hawks in Melbourne who knows what’s possible. That said if the prelim is against the Eagles in Perth neither will have a chance.

2015-09-08T02:25:10+00:00

slane

Guest


13th man is a Freo fan...

2015-09-08T01:56:21+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


Darryl Kerrigan said it best - "...Dreamin !"

AUTHOR

2015-09-08T01:56:08+00:00

Edan Nissen

Roar Rookie


The situation Richmond is facing this week is similar to Carlton's situation in 2011. Finished in 5th, home elimination final, hadn't won a final in the previous 2 years. Broke through to win their first final, came very close in the Semi Final playing away from home. Every time this type of article is posted, without fail a delusional Richmond fan will say that they have a chance. Without fail. You guys are hilarious

2015-09-08T01:44:36+00:00

13th Man

Guest


Richmond possibly could. The thing is that if they win this week they will most likely play an injury hit Sydney and they have already beaten them in Sydney once. Then if they win that they could be back in Melbourne playing their bunnies Hawthorn and if they won that they would have an advantage in the GF playing a WA side. Tbh the hardest part about that is winning this week. If they do that who knows how far they could go?

AUTHOR

2015-09-08T01:32:12+00:00

Edan Nissen

Roar Rookie


Sorry, absolutely missed that in Proof Read. Obviously, they will play in Sydney or Perth

2015-09-08T00:36:26+00:00

Willy!

Guest


Spot on!

2015-09-07T23:27:10+00:00

Wilson

Roar Guru


Unless they meet the Hawks in the Prelim as they are a voodoo team for the them and i would not want to push the luck of the Gods :)

2015-09-07T23:19:27+00:00

Mango Jack

Guest


It raises the question of why bother with a top 8, when realistically the premier will always come from the top 4 (yes, I know it's $$$$). There's a reason teams finish below position 4, and it's simply because because they are not as good as the teams above them. The pressure of finals always confirms this in a fairly pointless round of games, before the real contenders face off in the final 2 weeks.

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