GWS might not be such a Giant threat

By Adrian Polykandrites / Expert

It pains me to give them credit, but it looks like the AFL knew what it was doing when setting up the expansion teams.

The football world gasped in horror at the unprecedented bounty of highly rated young players handed to Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney when they were established.

The Giants, in particular, took full advantage of the system, targeting young guns from other clubs – rather than veterans, as the Suns did – as uncontracted recruits, and using their mini-draft concessions to acquire top picks.

They received six first-round picks, in fact, which included picks four and ten in 2011 and picks two and three in 2012. Bloody hell.

In 2014, Dermott Brereton said the Giants were, “the best collection of what I would call junior AFL talent I’ve ever seen”.

But while the AFL underestimated the players the Giants would target as uncontracted players and the assets they would seek in return for their valuable mini-draft picks – not taking mature-age players in either scenario – it seemed to guess right that the expansion clubs would lose enough youngsters to rival clubs and miss out on enough high picks that they wouldn’t become invincible.

Already gone from the Giants for one reason or another are 2011 draftees Dom Tyson (pick three), Liam Sumner (ten) and Taylor Adams (13). Three of GWS’ first four picks at 2012 draft – Jono O’Rourke (two), Lachie Plowman (three) and Kristian Jaksch (12) – have also moved on.

(A quick aside, rival clubs should thank their lucky stars the Giants didn’t nail the 2012 draft. With the first three picks, GWS took Lachie Whitfield, O’Rourke and Plowman. Jimmy Toumpas (meh) went four, but was followed by Jake Stringer, Jack Macrae and Ollie Wines. Phew.)

In 2013, the draft started to look normal again and the Giants took now-wealthy Bulldog Tom Boyd with pick one. At pick 14, they gambled on young key forward Cam McCarthy, who shone last season and is now out indefinitely after not being traded home to Western Australia. Not only is he almost certainly gone at the end of the season, his trade value has taken a hammering.

Perhaps the biggest departure thus far was during this past off-season when gun midfielder Adam Treloar demanded and received a trade to Collingwood. Tomas Bugg and Curtly Hampton, neither of whom lived up to the expectations the club had when recruiting them as 17-year-olds, also left last spring.

Josh Bruce and Anthony Miles are key players at different clubs after beginning their AFL lives as Giants.

That’s a lot of young talent to lose in a very short amount of time.

In most cases, the Giants have received valuable pieces in return, be they high draft picks or veteran players (such as Heath Shaw and Ryan Griffen) meaning they still have an outrageous 16 top-ten picks on their list – Carlton is next highest with ten.

But as we’ve learnt from the Blues, not all high picks are created equally, and if you dig a little deeper, GWS aren’t as frightening as you might think.

Griffen (former pick three) has been a star and could well be again, but he turns 30 this season, so it’s uncertain whether he’ll play a key role in a premiership tilt. Rhys Palmer (seven), Tom Scully (one) and Phil Davis (ten) are valuable veteran role players.

There are question marks on Will Hoskin-Elliott (four), Matt Buntine (five) and even Whitfield (one) to some extent – Whitfield is a nice player, and still only 21, but he isn’t keeping opponents up at night.

Jonathon Patton (one) is the kind of player who keeps opponents up at night, but injury troubles mean he has managed only 32 games in four seasons.

Nick Haynes (seven) is a solid young key defender who is probably best suited to playing as the third tall. Adam Tomlinson (nine) is a promising key-position option and still just 22, but has work to do.

That’s ten of those 16 picks.

It’s too early to judge Josh Kelly (two), Caleb Marchbank (six), Jacob Hopper (seven), Paul Ahern (seven) or Jarrod Pickett (four), though history suggests they won’t all work out – at least not for GWS.

Stephen Coniglio (two) is a very good two-way midfielder in the Kieren Jack mould.

There’s still a lot of talent there, much of it young, and to be fair, it doesn’t include arguably the Giants’ five best players: Jeremy Cameron, Shane Mumford, Heath Shaw, Dylan Shiel and Callan Ward.

The list is still incredibly healthy and GWS remain primed for a sustained tilt at the top four starting as soon as this year. But the two teams most similarly placed as of right now are the Magpies and Bulldogs (who knows what’s going on up north with the Suns), and they each have exciting young lists and high expectations of their own.

A GWS premiership in the next five years is still a very real possibility and if it happens, it will have all been worth it. But the Giants no longer look like the sure-thing, all-conquering dynasty they once did.

The Crowd Says:

2016-02-20T03:25:07+00:00

Ben

Guest


FYI - the Port concessions were the worst for any new club entering. 4 uncontracted players and pick of the SANFL (after Crows gutted it in 1990 and then ever year it was cherry picked.) Their tradition and Football smarts had them miss the finals in their first year by percentage only.

2016-02-19T21:04:25+00:00

#unclemike

Guest


I watched PICKETT at the intra club trial game and he played quite well. I noted that when he did things well, all the team "got around him" with extra praise and pats on the back, more so than when other players did good things, pressure acts etc. I did wonder if this was a conscious effort to pump his tyres a bit. From what I watched, I'm looking forward to him developing this year, and hopefully he gets a run in the NAB games and takes his chances. I agree with an earlier post, small forward has been a problematic spot for the Giants, it could well be Jarrod's spot to grab.

2016-02-19T10:15:48+00:00

Roosters16

Guest


Your dreaming if you think the actual crowd at the showgrounds only dropped below 9000 once. A club that also cannot make up its mind where its from, canberra or western sydney? Maybe it should be greater nsw afc?

2016-02-19T10:03:42+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


The only reason you would not have read my positive comments about others would be because you don't read my comments. I suspect you are stereotyping.

AUTHOR

2016-02-19T09:11:34+00:00

Adrian Polykandrites

Expert


If they were competing club AFL members, yes..

2016-02-19T08:47:46+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


Can the general public get hold of those tickets? Could members of the competing clubs get hold of those tickets? The answer is no.

2016-02-19T08:17:00+00:00

Bob GOOCH

Guest


Hope you are right - good to see Samantha put her two bobs worth in - always good for a chuckle

2016-02-19T08:16:37+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Righto mate - yes I know he plays for GWS that's the club we've been discussing here. I'm yet to see you 'pump tyres' on a non WA player who doesn't play for Freo or WC - but whatever I was just having a tease.

2016-02-19T07:47:49+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


He plays for GWS, not a WA club. You haven't been following him...or do you just think he's no good? I mention WA players because I know them. There are many from WA whose tyres I don't pump.

2016-02-19T07:33:59+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Sheesh this guy - every WA player is a gun.... But I digress - Rhys Palmer has been very good as a small fwd- can get his own ball, tackles well. He's not creative like an Eddie Betts but he's serviceable. I think I'd take him over more creative players who can't get the ball at all

2016-02-19T06:55:29+00:00

Anthony Wingard

Roar Rookie


It is probably also important to note that among the concessions granted by the AFL in their early years was bigger list space. They've been required to cut down on list sizes in recent seasons, hence the outflow of players who may very well have been happy at the club. They also needed points to nab their academy players, so by trading fringe players, they've been able to kill two birds with one stone by cutting down list size and also getting academy points.

2016-02-19T06:42:56+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Nick, I think you will see Jarrod Pickett emerge as that small forward this year. He has unmatched pace with stunning skills.

AUTHOR

2016-02-19T06:32:03+00:00

Adrian Polykandrites

Expert


A little off topic, but just because tickets aren't available to public, doesn't mean they're "sold". AFL members had access to tickets to the Hawks-Dockers GF up to the day, so I doubt they all sold.

AUTHOR

2016-02-19T06:20:51+00:00

Adrian Polykandrites

Expert


Thanks Darren. I didn't mean it to be a dig, just pointing out that having a lot of high picks doesn't guarantee success, as they aren't all going to be great players. Could just as easily used Melbourne as an example, who have nine top-10 picks on the list.

2016-02-19T06:11:36+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


Precisely.

2016-02-19T06:06:09+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


The majority of Grand Final tickets are spoken for long before the competing teams are known. A Grand Final with the Giants in it would sell out like any other.

2016-02-19T06:06:01+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


Was it less than 77,671 or exactly 77,671? Of course it was a sell out (the MCG was smack bang in the middle of re-building various grand stands one by one at the time).

2016-02-19T06:00:02+00:00

Samantha

Roar Rookie


Less than 77,671 at the 2004 GF between Port Adelaide and Brisbane was a sellout?

2016-02-19T05:57:48+00:00

Darren

Guest


I like where you are coming from Adrian - essentially the GWS concessions look reasonably balanced in hindsight. I can't help but pick up on the Carlton dig. Yes they have 10 1st round picks on their list but only 6 of them were 1st round picks that Carlton used (Walker, Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer, Weitering and McKay) and five of them only started at the club this year (Weitering, McKay, Gorringe, Sumner and Plowman. The other one is Thomas (free agency).

2016-02-19T05:46:47+00:00

Darren

Guest


I wish the Internet had a general filter that stopped factually incorrect statements from being printed. I don't different opinions but shouldn't you have to check your facts before you type stuff like this?

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