Eddie's having a laugh with new stadium idea

By Mark Haywood / Roar Pro

He’s a man with a plan, Eddie McGuire. He always has been. And more often than not he pulls it off.

This latest one, however, which involves replacing Eithad Stadium with a new 60,000 capacity super-stadium next door to the MCG, might not be so successful.

Let’s for a moment go along with the idea that Etihad Stadium should be replaced with something new. Like or loathe that idea, it’s not totally without merit. The stadium isn’t a bad one in and of itself. However, along with Southern Cross Station, is a big part of the man-made, non-traversable wall that exists between the city and Docklands, robbing Melbourne of a potential waterfront aspect to the CBD.

The whole area could be a hell of a lot better.

Of course Etihad would have to be replaced, and Eddie’s plan has the new stadium in the sporting precinct alongside the MCG, AAMI Park and Melbourne Park.

Again, it’s an idea not without merit. Existing transport infrastructure is already in place and it would form another limb of a world-class sporting mecca.

So we’re still with Eddie to a point, but it’s here that the plan goes from the possibly sublime to the absolutely ridiculous.

Have a look at the precinct. Eddie’s plan is to build the new stadium essentially where Hisense Arena currently sits, immediately to the north of Collingwood’s training ground.

That makes precisely zero sense. In fact it’s literally the most troublesome and expensive location within the precinct.

Firstly, Hisense Arena is there. So we level that. But Hisense is still required as Melbourne Park’s ‘second’ court. So we rebuild it, but it can’t move too far, as it still needs to fall within the tennis precinct. So it goes on top of the trainlines.

That’s the second point. Eddie’s plan has us sinking train stations and building enormous platforms over them to accommodate a relocated Hisense Arena, with the new 60,000 seat Stadium Ed also spreading across it. It has to – it’ll take up more room than the existing Hisense, and spreading south would put it on Collingwood’s training centre. Something tells me Eddie would be less eager on relocating his beloved Pies than Hisense Arena.

It wouldn’t be cheap, either. The last time Melbourne put mega-platforms above train lines was Federation Square, and it swallowed five years and half a billion dollars.

It would cover Olympic Boulevard as well. So we’re sinking that into a tunnel. Cha-ching.

Sinking Richmond Station below would be hellishly expensive again, not to mention the expansions it’d require to deal with additional crowds.

Every single train line from the heaving south-eastern suburbs funnels through Richmond. These would all have to stop for an undetermined period of time while the monstrous project is carried out. All major projects are disruptive to some extent. This would grind things to a dead halt.

Then the position itself – aside from requiring all this remediation work, it’s actually not a great spot. It’s not ideal from a crowd perspective – it’s the furthest possible location from the two train stations which service the precinct, Jolimont and Richmond. And it’s right smack-bang in the middle of a world class tennis precinct, which would be compromised for it.

Again, making the considerable assumption that a new stadium should be put in this area specifically, there’s far better spots. You could level Punt Road Oval and build it there. There’s Gosch’s Paddock.

Or of course, there’s the location of Collingwood’s training facilities (which would test how keen Eddie really is on this new stadium).

None of these locations are ideal, but compared to Eddie’s spot, they’re all better locations, far less disruptive to everything else, and would be monumentally cheaper and easier to build on.

So what’s he thinking?

I really can’t see any advantage of putting it there apart from the fact it’s beautifully aligned to the current Collingwood facility.

It’d create a perfect black and white strip: with the club’s home on the Yarra, the new 60,000-seat stadium for home games immediately north, and the 100,000 seat MCG immediately north again for the big games.

The whole zone could become very Collingwood-friendly on match days, with the players able to warm up and down on their own turf then make their way into the stadiums for matches. I’m sure there’d be plenty of facilities available for the black-and-white army too. The whole area would be managed by a combined AFL-MCC ‘super trust’, and I don’t think we need many guesses as to who the president of that would be.

So let’s be honest here – while Eddie may talk of a world-class sporting precinct, his plan is really a world-class Collingwood precinct. With details, compromise and huge expense added for little other reason than to accommodate the club.

Big ideas and ambition are fine, so good on Eddie for having both. But adding extreme cost for no wider benefit, for a state already screaming for infrastructure spend on roads and other projects? Surely even Eddie can’t justify this with a straight face.

The Crowd Says:

2016-03-17T10:59:23+00:00

Riley

Guest


What a laughable article. The author has the foresight of a labor minister! Let's all petition to keep Richmond station exactly how it is, argue without the slightest engineering, architectural or project management and tell the world Eddie is wrong because we don't like him!

2016-03-10T07:57:28+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


That's a fair call. I have no idea what that's worth though...half a billion perhaps as a greenfield site?

2016-03-10T07:27:21+00:00

SportsFanGC

Roar Guru


It’s just Eddie being provocative. No way known the Vic Government or AFL agrees to this. Considering the Vic Government scrapped a multi-billion dollar East West Link project (which would have had a profound benefit on Melbourne) after having already laid out millions on it they would get voted out in record numbers if they started spending these crazy $$ down at the Olympic Park precinct. The sale of Etihad will not come close to setting off all the proposals Eddie has put forward with regard to Hisense Arena (demolish and rebuild), Richmond Train Station and associated railway line sinking and the building cost of a new 60K seat Stadium with a Roof. I am still to hear or see what exactly is wrong with Etihad Stadium and why this need for it be sold/bulldozed, moved from the Docklands etc. When I lived in Melbourne it was an excellent stadium to watch footy at.

2016-03-10T06:10:36+00:00

Samantha

Roar Rookie


While I will agree there are shortfalls in this idea, if you are going to have a balanced jab at it, at least include whatever you think the sale of Etihad is going to put back into the pot. Surely that will offset a portion of the cost.

2016-03-10T05:59:10+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


The $1 billion he is talking about is actually laughably off base. The New Perth Stadium is expected to cost $1.34 billion, and that is: - on (effectively) a greenfield site that required some earthworks to seal up what used to be a rubbish dump - a 60,000 seat stadium with no retractable roof - associated piazza, amenities around the ground, park precincts etc - a new train station on an existing train line (that needs work to connect it up to a couple of other lines directly) Eddie is saying the AFL could demolish Etihad, demolish Hisense, rebuild Hisense, build the new stadium with a retractable roof, tunnel a major road and sink public transport for 25% less than the NPS project. Laughable, and it suggests this is nothing more than a thought bubble, despite his proclamations that he's spoken to the Premier, the MCC and everyone else (except the AFL, of course, because they would be the last people you would talk to).

2016-03-10T05:40:44+00:00

anon

Guest


Eddie's looking out for Collingwood, his MCC mates, his AFL mates, and of course his greedy developer mates who want their grubby hands on that valuable Docklands land while it is still relatively cheap.

2016-03-10T04:08:11+00:00

Tanami Mehmet

Guest


It's all about the travel factor and Eddie looking to cut down on the trip from The Westpac Centre to the MCG. This proposed ground would virtually cut Collingwoods yearly travel miles in half.

2016-03-10T02:43:08+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


"The speakers kept telling us how Collingwood supporters stick side by side through thick and thin. That may have been in reference to the stairway crush as they all sought to leave together not to far into the third term." Glorious. This stadium idea is a farce, as you say, and can surely only be motivated to try and get the ball rolling on an early buyout of Etihad at favourable terms for the AFL. They won't leave it till 2025. Once they have control of the stadium they can do whatever they like with scheduling, and incorporate smaller grounds for some games if they so desire, without the minimum game requirements for Etihad dictating the fixture.

2016-03-10T01:30:12+00:00

Simoc

Guest


I watched the Dockers play Collingwood at Etihad Stadium when last in Melbourne. The speakers kept telling us how Collingwood supporters stick side by side through thick and thin. That may have been in reference to the stairway crush as they all sought to leave together not to far into the third term. For a visitor Etihad Stadium was easy to find and get to and from .

2016-03-10T01:04:35+00:00

Mexicano

Guest


What does not make sense with a Collingwood person proposing this idea is the Magpies seldom play at Docklands currently which has a capacity just a shade under 60k. Etihad Stadium is about 56,000 capacity. The reason Collingwood refuses to play games there is because they reckon their membership is too large to house at a 56,000 cap. ground. Funny thing is, when the Carringbush play there, they never seem to pack them in because of their penny-pinching supporters who refuse to go to a ground that costs more than the great deal they get at the MCG. Whats more about this proposal is, other clubs such as Richmond, Melbourne and Hawthorn also seem to have issues playing away from the MCG. Keep Docklands and build up a 25 to 30k ground at Princes Park would be the intelligent move.

2016-03-10T00:09:58+00:00

XI

Roar Guru


Yeah, I don't think Eddie has much more to contribute to the AFL anymore. This whole stadium idea smacks of click bait to me (from Eddie, not the author).

2016-03-09T23:42:14+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


Good article. Pretty fair cost-benefit analysis that shows a rather large imbalance.

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