What does it take to be sin binned?

Couple of things from the Raiders v Bulldogs game. Another sin bin around the 50th minute for Josh Jackson. This time the Raiders took a penalty goal and then scored a try within the next 10 mins. Also Klemmer threw what looked like an obvious punch not long after. The refs awarded a penalty yet there was no sin bin?! Must've been open handed right?

No , Kaks you missed the point. Sin bin cannot be used for foul play, period , except as per the rules set out by the NRL when a punch is thrown.What Taupau did could only be a penalty and send off not to the sin bin.Leabn the rules.

True. I love watching both codes of rugby, don't see why there's always a war. Why not listen to the Beatles and the stones?

A trip, regardless of its intensity, has been a send off for years and should still be so

I'm not sure old mate gave Union the shellacking you have suggested , it was more an observation about the penalty shootouts that union can produce . I could ask the question . Why are union supporters overly sensitive ? Both great games to watch on their day . Now soccer that's another story , just mentioning it has made me feel tired zzzzzzzzzzzz.

With 3 outta 4 being from winning sides maybe you are all reading too much into this , there just may be some intergalactic force at play here that we , as mere mortals are unaware of ,,,,

Sure but then you could argue that the referee has become to 'gutless' to interpret the rule in a black and white that does justice to his or her role as 'big daddy' on the field. Personally, I think that the referee, far from being the silent 27th person on the field, should be visible.

Thanks Alex, interesting stuff. Leilua was sin binned for a punch - mandatory sin bin. Roosters didn't score during the next 10 mins. Chambers - Sharks didn't score during next 10 mins. Feki - Dragons didn't score (apart from 21st min penalty goal which may have been due to Feki holding down?). McClean - Titans did not score while player sin binned. Observations. 1. Leilua's sin bin was for a punch which is mandatory. The game was in the balance at the time. Has there really only been one punch thrown after 5 rounds?! How many slaps? 2. The 3 sin bins for holding down were all when the match was not in the balance. 2 early when the score was 0 all, and the 3rd one when the match was over. 3. The opposition did not score while a player was sin binned. So off this small sample size it seems that sin binning a player does not lead to the opposition scoring. Looks like refs will not sin bin for holding down when the game is in the balance. Holding down close to the try line really is a blight on the game. You could argue it's just as ugly for the sporting spectacle as the Storm wresting tactics that they pioneered.

I saw Wayne "mastercoach" bennet come out and say that something has to be done about players deliberately giving away penalties in their own 20 and yet he is instructing his side to take the 2 points. Very hypocritical of him as he could always tell his team to use the extra set of 6 his team is given. The change has come about because coaches are telling their teams to take the kicks. As for the attack on Rugby union, you obviously dont watch the game as its far more skillful than league is at the moment. The chiefs alone have scored 34 tries and made 89 line breaks in just 6 games. The highest line break total in League is 25 from 4 games and the highest tries is 23 in 4 games so please in future actually look at the facts before you just take the usual step of bagging other codes. I really struggle to see why the league community has such an anti-Rugby stance. I love watching both codes just as much as I loved playing both codes

Its not the refs job to feel anything. They are there to administer the rules

Yet if the player hadnt tripped then the Taupau tackle was hitting just below the rib cage. Hardly high or dangerous. It seems that if a player gets hurt then someone must be responsible and it must have been illegal play.

BJ Leilua (Raiders) - 65 Minutes, Raiders 16 vs Roosters 20, Offence: Punch. Will Chambers (Storm) - 9 Minutes, Sharks 0 vs Storm 0, Offence: Professional Foul (holding down after a line break). Sosaia Feki (Sharks) - 22 Minutes, Sharks 0 vs Dragons 0, Offence: Professional Foul (holding down after a line break). Jordan McClean (Storm) - 77 Minutes, Storm 34 vs Titans 16, Offence: Professional Foul (holding down in the 10). Interestingly 3 of the 4 players sin binned have been from the winning side.

Kaks , the sin bin is not to be used for violent conduct by rugby league rules can only be used for professional fouls or dissent or for two men fighting. Tripping as I said is a dismissable offence but the Referees do not have the guts to inforce it.

It's not a sin-bin every day of the week, or any day of the week - because under the rules of the game, you can't be sin-binned for foul play. You can only be sent off, put on report or simply penalised. And therein lies the problem.

You've completely missed the point. Head high tackles happen in a game, a penalty is all it deserves - unless it is reminiscent of the Taupau high shot where he sized his opponent up for a few seconds and then swung his arm around. That is a sin bin every day of the week. 5min sin bins would be used more often by referee's for a professional foul, 10min sin bins should still remain and be used for incidences like the Taupau head shot. I dont mind trippers being sent off for 10 either, however it is nobody but the referee's fault for not enforcing the rule about tripping.

Agreed, but you can't really blame them. The rules have become so open to interpretation, rather than black and white that a lot of calls end up being fifty-fifty. As an example, most "loose carry" rulings that I've seen could just as easily be called a knock on, which means 50% of the audience will feel robbed whichever way the call is made. If I were a ref and sent a player for 10 due to my "interpretation," the media and the fans (who all now have a voice thanks to sites like this and to social media) would be saying team x was robbed or the game is in crisis etc. Who'd be a referee.

Kaks , If you think that 10 mins is too long to be sent off for a professional foul , dont you think the rest of the game would be too long for a head high tackle. Taupau is not the only player to do head high tackles but you seem to have a dislike for Manly. Napa had two head high tackles last week and did not even get sighted by review committee. And tripping is much worse than a head high tackle and used to be instant dismissal. I agree with other wrirers that the Referees are too ngutless to sin bin players. The interferrence by Guerra should have definitely been a sin bin and very close to a penality try.

Can the author or someone else put together a list of the 4 sin bins so far? The player, the teams, the time of the match, the infringement, the score at the time and the referees. Also did the opposition actually score while the player was sin binned? Would be interesting to see if there's any kind of pattern that emerges, although with only 4 sin bins it's not much of a sample of statistical analysis. But it would be interesting to see if they happened early, if they were for infringements we see regularly every round etc. Also if the sin binning doesn't result in a team scoring then you couldn't argue they are the determining factor in a team winning or not.

I don't get it either. Guerra gets a penalty for obvious professional foul. Koroibite gets nothing for tripping and will chambers is sent for no apparent reason at all upon further inspection of the plays.

Despite your pot shot at rugby and its supposed issue with penalties, their use of the sin bin should be something rugby league aims to achieve. However I believe the problem ultimately stems from the refs relationship with players and their demeanour. Referring to players by first names creates a relationship and possibly sub-conscious concern in referees that they would be unwilling to sin bin them. The whole league referee system needs a change.