June Internationals tipping Week 3: Nothing to lose now

By Brett McKay / Expert

The last week of the June Internationals are upon us, and all attention turns to… Port Elizabeth!

Yes, never mind the dead rubbers, all attention should be directed toward the picturesque Nelsen Mandela Bay Stadium where South Africa and Ireland will battle it out after two cracking Tests so far.

And yes, there are other games too, but come on…

A perfect record last week means Digger leads us off again, while I’ve stumped up this week’s Big Question.

Last week: Digger 5; Harry and The Crowd 4, Paddy 3; Brett 2.

Diggercane: “I see no reason to deviate from last week’s tips, so I won’t.

“Wales in my view simply do not have a squad of 23 to last 80 minutes against New Zealand, and the third game has traditionally not fared well for touring sides there.

“I expect that trend to continue. South Africa perhaps have the ‘bit’ between the teeth and will overwhelm the Irish in Port Elizabeth, who I also expect will be feeling the effects after a long season.

“Scotland to again overcome Japan, while Argentina will be too good for the French.

“And I am predicting an English whitewash across the ditch. Their side looks more cohesive to my eyes, playing with more control and understanding and also give the air of being very determined despite having already wrapped up the series.”

Tips: New Zealand, England, Scotland, South Africa, Argentina.

Harry Jones: “Life is good again, because of ‘Those Magical 19 Minutes at Jozi’ which is how the Ellis Park-area brothels market their services.

“The All Blacks look the complete team now with Israel Dagg – who I think is the best and least appreciated fullback in world rugby – in their back three with the miraculous Ben Smith. Wales have a strong 40 minutes in them, but then they can only hang in there for a few more after oranges with the mighty Kiwi squad who seems to accept their new captain’s leadership and are reaching imperious form already.

“Beauden Barrett (or ‘BBBB’) as a starting flyhalf may keep the Boyos in the third Test a bit longer, but when the clock strikes 60:00, the Hurricanes flyer will turn into Superboy.

“The new, polite, accommodating Springboks will have spent most of the week in the Eastern Cape creating memories at schools, inventing new positive hashtag campaigns, and posing for selfies at petrol stations, but now they have Ruan Combrinck – also known as the Paddy Punisher – in their back three instead of the miraculously stone-handed and leaden-brained Lwazi Mvovo, and have discovered that space is overrated.

“Just run at and over the Irish defenders, or in Damian de Allende’s case, at and over and under and around Conor Murray all in one play.

“I see the Boks taking this rubber by the scruff of the neck by the 30th minute and creating space where it really counts: on the scoreboard. The only worry at the moment is the lack of a healthy No.8 in the squad, but Australia have played Test rugby for years without one, so what’s the problem?

“Australia are struggling. That does not make me happy, because England exultant is one of the least appetising sights you’ll ever behold. It’s enough to almost spoil my dinner. Dan Cole topless might do it, though.

“But here’s the problem: England’s team, as currently constituted, captained, and coached, is just better than Australia’s current squad. The Wallabies’ attack is insipid, the fringes and service too slow, and kicking seems to be verboten, even though I think you’d want the best aerial player in the series making Mike Brown and Jack Nowell prove they can defuse bombs.

“So, I think England will take this, but it will be even nigglier than that niggle-fest we just saw. Which will suit James Haskell, Dan Cole, Dylan Hartley, Maro Itoje, and George Kruis just fine. England will continue to rise in the rankings even though I think the last time they beat South Africans was in the Boer War.

“Argentina are playing a severely depleted French team, with the Top 14 reaching its overpaid crescendo soon in a Barcelona soccer cathedral. Although it seemed like the Toulon-Montpellier semi-final in Rennes was an old Tri Nations reunion, with Matt Giteau (he’d be good against Owen Farrell), Pierre Spies, Bismarck du Plessis, and Ma’a Nonu looking spry.

“So, I suppose I’ll take the Jaguares-turned-Pumas in Tucuman, where the scrum battle might be worthy of a Nicholas Bishop and RobC collaborative piece.

“Scotland will win in Tokyo again, because Scotland is a wee bit better and have more South Africans.”

Tips: New Zealand, England, Scotland, South Africa, Argentina.

Paddy Effeney: “All Blacks just have too much… everything for Wales. While those two tries close to the end were encouraging, they only came after the All Blacks took their foot off the throttle. So once again it’s going to be the Blacks by a bit, and a New Zealand side to win the Super Rugby title.

The Springboks did everything they could to not win the last two games, but got away with one at the death against Ireland. I’ll stick with the Boks, just because they’ve figured out that while they mightn’t be as clever as the Irish yet (give the coach some time), they are bigger and stronger, and probably faster.

The Wallabies have to learn something from having a mountain of ball that they were unable to stick over the line. Basically, the attack was pathetic in its inability to adjust and begin to bend the line (you pick a big team, why are you going wide?).

“I’m backing Australia to learn something, anything, and get one back in front of a thirsty Sydney crowd. They better, or The Roar might explode. I’m hoping for our servers’ sake they do.

“Scotland and the Jaguares to win the other two. Pumas. I meant Pumas and you all knew it. ”

Tips: New Zealand, Australia, Scotland, South Africa, Argentina.

Brett McKay: Much like the Wallabies last weekend, I don’t have much of an explanation.

New Zealand will win easily. Argentina won’t have much trouble with France again, and I suspect Ireland’s best rugby on tour is now behind them.

And because I’m committed to the underdog, Japan and Australia. For. The. Win.

Tips: New Zealand, Australia, Japan, South Africa, Argentina.

The Big Question (from Brett): Which player – perhaps unexpectedly – has stood out as your personal player of the June Tests?

Digger: “Maro Itoje for me has been the biggest standout during the June series. Have already mentioned before but his skill set is superb, plays with a confidence and maturity that belies his 21 years of age. Remarkable talent and I have to wonder exactly how good he could become. Itoje already came Down Under with big wraps and for once a player has lived up to the hype.

“One player who did surprise me quite a bit was Liam Williams from Wales, the back three utility. Great skill set and an intuitive attacking player; he is the Welsh version of ‘Ben from accounts’. Quality player.”

Harry: “Just above the slippery Welshman Liam Williams, who oozes rugby skill, is the extremely clean but physical Pieter-Steph du Toit. Ten per cent of this carries have ended in tries and he’s breaking tackles, winning turnovers, disrupting lineouts, completing offloads like he really wants to be the new, better Danie Rossouw.

“Kieran Read (I am referring here to his captaincy skills, which surprise me, because I never saw him as a particularly likable fellow), Paddy Jackson (who has thoroughly outplayed Elton Jantjies), and I’m going to mention rock-hard grafter Chris Robshaw.

“Robshaw, opensider turned blindside, was prematurely made skipper by oft-confused Stuart Lancaster in a desire to have his ‘own’ captain moulded by earnest morality, and scapegoated by his home country for the World Cup disaster and mocked by Australian media. He has been in almost every meaningful forward contest in the English series win, backed down for nobody, and led in a quiet, but totally committed way.”

Paddy: “I’ve always liked James Haskell. Not just his immense rig, but his bustling ways. I never really got why he found himself out of the England team at certain periods of his career.

“But in two weeks he’s proven to be the beast we all knew lurked inside that ripped frame. Along with Robshaw, he’s proven the English backrow can out-tackle, out-run and out-pilfer the Aussie trio that did a number on them at the World Cup last year. It’s been a backrow demolition.

“The way he limped off the field, barely able to stand but still somehow wanting to play on epitomised why England have already won this series.”

Brett: Well, I was going to say Robshaw too, but that’s clearly too mainstream now.

So I’ll go back to Ireland captain Rory Best, who as I mentioned last week has just been phenomenal in his output on the park, and his leadership of men. Ireland lost some pretty handy players before this tour kicked off, but Best has led his side around absolutely superbly.

He was magnificent at Newlands, and put in another high-quality performance last weekend at Ellis Park. I don’t think it’s coincidence that the aforementioned ’19 Minutes at Jozi’ came after Best went off in the second Test.

And I’ll give a shout-out to Ruan Combrinck, too. Has there been a better game-changing cameo on Test debut? What a player, what an impact he had! Just gave everything for the jersey, turned the game on his head, and it’s largely because of him that South Africa aren’t starring down the same abyss at the Wallabies this week.

The Summary

Now over to you guys…
Make your selection in each of the five Tests below, and we’ll collate all the votes and publish the results after 2pm AEDT on Friday afternoon.

The Crowd Says:

2016-06-24T06:47:27+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Copycats

AUTHOR

2016-06-24T05:01:36+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


CROWD VOTES TO EXIT EU.. No, sorry, wrong news. Crowd tips are in: New Zealand, England, Scotland, South Africa, Argentina.

2016-06-24T02:11:01+00:00

Jibba Jabba

Guest


The flour bomb test was the last test in 1981, the Cavaliers were in 1986, made up mainly of the Auckland team who were dominant around then, had at least 18 current ABs in the squad with more than 30 playing international rugby over that time. Players included the Whetton boys, Kirwan, Michael Jones, the Brooke brothers, Fitzpatrick Bernie McCahill (never lost a game in 91 games for Auckland) etc, .. Auckland, coached by Maurice Trapp & Bryan Williams won the National title 9 times in 12 years; they held the Ranfurly Shield for 60 challenges until 1993 and had overall a 94% winning record. They beat England, Australia and the Lions. G Henry came in and dropped 4 current ABs with 450 caps between them - what a team. I still have VHS tapes of the Auckland games and the Cavaliers tour of Bokland if anyone interested.

2016-06-23T18:16:53+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Paddy Jackson has outplayed Elton Jantjies fairly easily and comprehensively. Given, I'm not a fan of Elton at Test level (he's a solid club pro), but I would not have predicted how well Paddy would fill in for Sexton. Both of them can and should kick better, though. I think the Murray-Jackson combo knows better how to control a test match than Faf-Elton. But if we can shoot the ball quickly and on target to DdeA and Willie and Combrinck,, and if Elton can kick a little more decisively when we are in our half, I think this could be a better 1H.

2016-06-23T17:43:57+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Yep Harry - looking forward to this one. Sounds like good temperatures for the game too. Am wondering what plotting has Schmidt done for the line-up - our back three are more lively than lanky. Combrincktruck is going to be a handful going down Earls wing so will see if that becomes a Bok target early on. I agree about the first 40 - I think SA are going to come steaming out of the traps and try to build a tough score by the halfway mark. I don't think tired legs are going to count as much this week - too much at stake. There's good lineout options for Ireland if Best's throwing stays steady. Not sure how scrums will go - but whoever gets the edge early on will reap as much as they can. Our Ulster 10-12-13 axis is more lightweight but have greater combo experience. Interesting to see how they get on, if Paddy starts running a bit more. In fact the whole backline is built for speed rather than smashing, so it could be a good contrast with the previous tests.

2016-06-23T16:38:43+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


K Read is a great rugby player and it appears he is a very good leader of the All Blacks, too.

2016-06-23T16:12:30+00:00

OJP

Guest


surely Eddie just bought him out here to wind up the locals ;)

2016-06-23T15:08:39+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


I met and spoke with Kieran Read a few times. He was always polite, kind, and humble. The last time was at Heathrow airport. A few ABs were boarding the air NZ flight back to NZ after the Wales test and I was coming back to LA on United close to them. They were very attentive and Read remembered that I had asked him about his recovery from concussions. He said he appreciated my concern and that he was well taken care of. He was aware of the possible complications and was also careful about recovery. He told me he was fine. But more than anything, he made it clear that he appreciated my concerns. Izzy Dagg was there too as well as Retallick. Brodie was the only one that never smiled or made any expression of interest. He looked at me as if I was from another planet (he may be right, though). Izzy had the big goofy, charming friendly smile.

2016-06-23T14:27:26+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Howzit, Pot Hale. Nice Irish weather for your lads in PE this weekend. Probably 10-13 degrees during the game. The battle of the benches should be important, unless SA can finally get a good first 40:00. With Combrinck at right wing and JPP at left, Paddy can't just pop 10 kicks to the left and go up 19-3. I actually think our pack will finish with a stronger combo than it begins. SA will end the game with PSDT at blindside flank, which allows a Mostert-Etzebeth-PSDT-Louw nucleas of ruck workers, and Kitshoff will likely give Furlong all he wants at scrum. Also, Jaco Kriel may get a gallop and he will want to show CJ who is boss. Let's start already!

2016-06-23T14:26:20+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Interesting that Ben Te'o hasn't had a look in across the series. Did he get a few minutes at some point to put an English cap on him?

2016-06-23T14:13:39+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Yep buddy, snow over the weekend, whilst watching these games......... Geez thank the good old woodman so as for us to produce the good old wood fire, & along with a couple of long necks, or so. Cheers

2016-06-23T14:13:31+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Ireland are down Henshaw and Payne through injury. And they've restored a number of players from first test after a rest week. Pleased for O'Halloran to get his first start at FB - he's had a great season with Connacht but now it's time to play with the big boys. Earls and Trimble on the wings partner Olding and Marshall in midfield. It's as you were with halfbacks Murray and Jackson. Malherbe will be thrilled to re-match with McGrath up front alongside Best and Ross. Henderson rejoins my Irish player of the series, Devin Toner. And CJ Stander gets another chance to cry at the anthems and get himself sent off as he rejoins Murphy and Heaslip in the backrowers. At first glance, it looks like Ireland might have the stronger bench with Cronin, Furlong, Bealham, Dillane, Ruddock, Madigan, Reddan and Healy. Speed, mobility, power and experience. Eoin Reddan has announced that he'll retire from international rugby after this test so he's going to be itching to get on for one last hurrah. Will he attempt one last snipe for the glory try? Healy got a little cameo last week - hopefully we can see him and O'Halloran weaving a bit of Western magic before the game is done. Best of luck to both sides - hopefully it's a cracker.

2016-06-23T11:54:04+00:00

CUW

Guest


England: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Anthony Watson, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Owen Farrell, 11 Jack Nowell, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Teimana Harrison, 6 Chris Robshaw, 5 George Kruis, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley (c), 1 Mako Vunipola Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Matt Mullan, 18 Paul Hill, 19 Joe Launchbury, 20 Courtney Lawes, 21 Jack Clifford, 22 Danny Care, 23 Elliot Daly the only change is at 7 , yet another new zealander makes a debut for another country :) Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales) Assistant Referees: Craig Joubert (South Africa), Mike Fraser (New Zealand) TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

2016-06-23T11:38:45+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Lucky: Mapoe aka Skippy (the skip in our skip passes) JPP aka the Passenger Malherbe aka McGrath's BFF Kolisi aka the Fumbler

2016-06-23T11:34:40+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Boks named; Combrinck in. 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Ruan Combrinck, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Siya Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1 Tendai Mtawarira Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Julian Redelinghuys, 19 Franco Mostert, 20 Jaco Kriel, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Lwazi Mvovo

2016-06-23T11:02:52+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


OK Timbo... I was somewhat gilding the lily with there being two Aussies. And I think you very unkind saying that about Glen's stout stature :) Hey, I forgot about France, in relation to your Rugby team, and therefore it's ability to get lost in the local media. It reminded me a bit of my Wallaby, here, and our local media, as it's always been a struggle to get any real attention when you've got the Rugby League and the AFL dominating most coverage. We are very much the poor cousin, but such is life. And it seems it has always been like this. Good luck in France then... as your Football team has had a long draught when it comes to big tournaments. And good luck with your U20 Rugby team in their final against the Irish. Likewise, good luck to my Wallaby against your over achieving English Rugby team :)

2016-06-23T10:25:04+00:00

Timbo

Guest


"Timbo… do you know as to what strikes me as some what ironic? For all this to happen it took two Aussies a couple of months to teach these guys how to play Rugby… like proper like! Funny eh??" Hee, Hee. Who are the 'two' Aussies? Jones I get, but I can't think of another. George Smith had a couple of sessions with the team, as did Will Greenwood and Richard Hill. Do you mean Glen Ella? I remember him from the 1980s, great player, but seeing as he only met the players a few days before the first test I doubt his impact was much (although I suspect his expertise on where the best 'all you can eat deals' could be found was invaluable). I suspect the team's reception in England will be entirely dependent on what happens in France. If England are still in their pitching at Euro 2016, there'll be Bill Beaumont and their families to meet them at the airport. If England are knocked out the press might do a 'look at what real men can do, you pansies' coverage to wind up the football team.

2016-06-23T10:06:44+00:00

Colin N

Guest


Funnily enough, I took the opposite view on the U20s performance against Australia. They were very poor in the first half but I was impressed by their ability to adapt and dominate the final 30 minutes. They also did well against South Africa. They closed out a game the Baby Boks threatened to come back into at one stage.

2016-06-23T07:44:02+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Hey Muzzo... oh dear and it's about to get real cold where you are. Nasty business that Orange stuff... it's either friggin' hot, or bleedin' cold to freezing bleedin' cold. :)

2016-06-23T07:27:49+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Thanks Ngati. Must admit, I did not realise that at all. Had no idea he had played a lot of centre. Cheers mate.

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