The Big Rugby Championship Question: We might not lose this weekend

By Brett McKay / Expert

Australians all, let us rejoice. There is one certainty: we are not going to lose to the All Blacks!

One of the big pluses in the immediate aftermath of the Bledisloe Tests, and even as we emerged this side of the bye weekend was that suddenly, the Wallabies are a chance of winning a Test this weekend.

Of course, that same feeling is shared by our South African friends, whose Springboks are playing with a similar lack of lustre. The Boks are similarly pulling apart their team’s performance to try and work out how on earth they’re trying to play.

And so it seemed only fair that we hand the question reins over to our resident South African this week.

The Big Question: For each team, which player epitomises the team’s strongest point, and who epitomises the weak point? (from Harry)

Nobes: “This is a very difficult question for someone that loves rugby because I believe is all about a team effort where everybody brings something to the table.

“The second part of the question does not seem fair, considering that the coaching staff decides which players are selected and which are not. But I will play along, Harry, hoping not to utterly disappoint anybody.

“New Zealand is the most difficult to talk about, because they have some many talented players. However, if the selection has to be made based on what is going right now, I will have to place Barret as the man who epitomises the All Blacks strongest points. To answer the question on weakness, I will have to go with Wyatt Crockett whom I like in the loose but he does not convince me as a scrummager.

“For Australia, I think Israel Folau is a player that everyone would like to have in their team, powerful when running and extremely secure in the high ball.

“In the other end I am afraid to say that James Slipper has never convinced me. He is a good player at club level but not as someone that I would consider to play as a country representative in the national team.

“The Springboks have in Eben Etzebeth what South African rugby is for me: a powerful and merciless attacking force, making tackles showing strong personality. You always know when this fellow is on the field. At the other end I have two candidates – please, do not give me a hard time about quota issues.

“My first choice is Adriaan Strauss: my assumption is that something is not right with him in this season. I remember he used to make a stand every time he entered the game. He is not quite the same this year. The other choice is Oupa Mohoje: his poor tackle technique can leave SA with 14 men at any time, and he may also become something even worse: a health threat for any opponents.

“Finally, in Argentina, it is my opinion that Augustin Creevy represents Argentina rugby very well. He is passionate player, ready to leave everything on the field. In the other end I will place Gonzalez Amorosino that earned his place after a superb try in RWC 2011 that put the team in the quarter finals, however he has not been able to come up with anything else since then.”

Harry: “Thus far in The Rugby Championship, the Springboks have been slow and sloppy start/strong and spirited finish, but young and raw Pumas have been brave and enterprising and started strong, then faded both times; holding on one time courtesy of missed ‘Bok kicks and bad box kicks. The Wallabies have been sour, cramped and ragged. The All Blacks have been masterful in their fundamental skills, and happy, actually cheeky, warriors.

“So for me: NZ’s 2016 TRC campaign is epitomised by the bulked-up and very cocky Dane Coles, who’s missed no lineouts, scrummed with good technique, but also steps defenders with high numbers on their jerseys and smiles after he scores. Argentina’s been epitomised by Creevy, because he’s having a go AND a rip in the first half, and then hanging on in the final quarter, breathing like a racehorse.

“The ‘Boks have been playing like Faf de Klerk: full of energy and courage, but inexperienced and thus, starting each game with kicking errors, high passes, and dubious tactical decisions. The Wallabies are definitely playing like Stephen Moore: unhappy, feeling a bit like a victim, and not finding partners in space or the jair.

“Players who have not epitomised their larger squads’ play in the first two rounds:
– The All Black props. Smile!
– Etzebeth, who has played all 160 minutes at one (full) speed, almost error-free, and an experienced skillset.
– Will Genia: fast, happy, decisive, and on target.
– Santiago González Iglesias, who was the ultimate finisher in Salta: created the vital 22 m drop to retain, broke the line, and slotted a pressure kick for the win.”

Digger: “A challenging question indeed from our resident Bearded South African axe champion, and part time ‘Wellingtonian’ poet. Let’s start with the A teams.

“It would be easy to nominate Creevy in this category, probably because he is the right answer but I would like to propose Juan Martin Hernandez, whose turnabout in form from the Jaguares season has played a big part in the respective performances of the Super and National side to date. And here is a controversial suggestion: in my view the Pumas biggest struggle is to complete an 80-minute performance which I would suggest Creevy represents; a huge 40 to 50-minute effort that tends to peter out into holding on in the last few.

“For Australia, while debate rages around the practicality and effectiveness of his selection, Michael Hooper represents a never say die, 100% committed effort week in, week out which cannot be faulted. The selection of Matt Giteau would, in my opinion portray the worst; a stubbornness, if you will, to continue in the same vein and not looking to adapt or change to the challenges presented.

“South Africa is relatively simple. Etzebeth would represent to me the best of ‘Bok rugby, powerful, uncompromising and skilful while Elton Jantjies perhaps the worst, capable of brilliance while equally capable of inconsistent application, but too ready to retreat into his shell, highlighting the ever conservative nature that permeates through Springbok rugby at times.

“For New Zealand, the culture and drive within the group to succeed would be one aspect I would focus on as a strength, and I think ‘ole man’ Jerome Kaino is a fair reflection of this, particularly when his form is compared to other experienced campaigners from other sides within the Championship.

“The worst, perhaps I can poke a stick at Dane Coles, who can become unfocused at times and allow himself to become immersed in off-the-ball stuff a little too often, but I feel I am reaching a bit here.”

Brett: I knew it. I knew the Harry Jones question would be the hardest to tackle, and that’s kind of why I saved him for last. That, and I needed more time to study…

Digger’s beaten me to the punch in nominating Juan Martin Hernandez as Argentina’s strong point, and I think he has always been the Pumas’ barometer. When he’s on, Los Pumas can beat anyone and beat them well. If he’s quiet though, well that’s them done for the night. And equally, Nico Sanchez might be the weakest link, because if he’s having an off night, so much of Argentina’s game is pinned on him.

For the Wallabies, Stephen Moore might actually be the strongest and weakest link. A lot of people are saying that Moore’s Wallabies form has followed on from Super Rugby, but I disagree with this, because I genuinely believe – and I know the club thinks this, too – that Moore had his best ever season for the Brumbies. His lineout work was good, and he was doing things around the ground that he hasn’t done in a long time. That hasn’t translated to the Wallabies though, and there’s no doubt he’s under pressure to hold his spot as a result.

I agree with all comments made anointing Etzebeth as South Africa’s lynchpin, and I just hope to hell that the Wallabies have fixed up their lineout issues this week, otherwise Sacha Baron Cohen’s stunt double will have a field day. Their weakness currently is Damien de Allende, and I genuinely hope Allister Coetzee sticks with him this weekend, because I think even Bernard Foley could fool him into a defensive mis-read.

And for New Zealand to finish with, there’s no doubt for mine that Kieran Read is their strength, and just like that other bloke who captained the All Blacks before him, so much of the ABs’ performance flows from Read’s personal performance. It’s like if he’s confident, then every other player can be confident too.

Is there an All Black weakness? Well once, I think, I saw Ben Smith jink left when he should’ve jinked right. (Click to Tweet)He still got the offload away, though.

Tips

Week 2: The Crowd, Brett, and Nobes 2; Digger and Harry 1
Nobes: “It is very hard to tip without knowing the starting teams, we do not know if Hansen or Hourcade will play all their regular starting soldiers or save some for later on. Hourcade is aiming to win two games in TRC and may feel that Australia is more vulnerable, but they are up just one week after this game.

“However, as Pablo Matera told me in an interview this week: ‘We are very lucky to play the ABs twice a year and if we win we would make history’. He is looking forward to be part of it. Me too. Unfortunately, and less wishful thinking, I may have to go with the ABs.

“About the other game I flipped a coin and head came up so it will be the Wallabies over the ‘Boks. And my coin is almost never wrong! Only half the time.”

Brett: I genuinely look forward to both games this weekend, and it will be the first time this season I’ve watched the ‘Boks and Pumas live, so there is that too.

I’ll be interested to see how long Argentina can run with the All Blacks, though, and whether they have any luck bringing NZ down to the gritty level and speed they like to play at. I guess it’s just a matter of which point the home side will run away with it in the ‘Tron.

And maybe it’s the home ground thing, or maybe it is the fact that the Wallabies have had a bit of success against the ‘Boks in Brisbane when they’ve been struggling elsewhere. Whatever it is, I hope – nay, demand – it will be enough to record the first win 2016.

Diggercane: “I expect Argentina to be quite challenging for the All Blacks but I can see a blowout in the second half to the All Blacks.

“And I am essentially settling on the home side in Brisbane, as I feel they will be more motivated after the hammering they have taken with regards to their recent performances and having no victories on the board. I think they have also had a better preparation in terms of recent opposition.”

Harry: “NZ will have to work about as hard as they did against Wales. Argentina will test the home team’s set pieces and restarts, but NZ will separate from the Pumas in the last 25 minutes.

“The ‘Boks will have too good a pack, and won’t keep missing 35% of their penalties and conversions.”

The summary

The verdict…
A record response for The Rugby Championship to date, with more than 500 responses received for this round. Thanks to everyone who had their say, and I have to admit, I’m a little surprised at the final Australia-South Africa result.

93.9% New Zealand
57.2% South Africa!

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2016-09-09T05:12:10+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


The verdict… A record response for The Rugby Championship to date, with more than 500 responses received for this round. Thanks to everyone who had their say, and I have to admit, I’m a little surprised at the final Australia-South Africa result. 93.9% New Zealand 57.2% South Africa!

2016-09-08T10:48:47+00:00

Crispy Duck

Roar Rookie


Green will win! Who would you take in a combined Oz/Bok side Boks 1,3-6, 8. 11-14. Wallas 7 (Pocock), 9,10, 15 Tie for 2

2016-09-08T10:38:28+00:00

Highlander

Guest


Akari - Just pace I think - Squires is lightening for a big man, Whitelock got a lot of starts for us before him in the more physical games. The AB bench is all about impact, he prob a better fit as that second loosie/sub lock if you want the game to quicken up.

2016-09-08T10:35:33+00:00

moaman

Roar Guru


Fair enough Jacko.

2016-09-08T10:29:37+00:00

CUW

Guest


@ moaman am sure i will hear a lot of PARSI - spending the Eid holiday in IRAN :) (friday to friday )

2016-09-08T10:18:44+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Yes, I wish Goose was at 10. Better boot. Kriel is comfy at 13. Hougaard will bring it. Not sure about J de J at 12

2016-09-08T10:00:37+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Since 2005 there has been 1 test v Arg where the ABs won by more than 23 points yet v Aus the ABs have won 3 tests by larger margins in that same time. Aus has never been ranked lower than 5th in that time and Argentina has been as low as 12 in 2014. What that means is the ABs should win by a lot more but as I have already said scores dont seem to blow-out against Arg in recent years The ABs scored 90+ in 1991. Not what I would call recent and still 4 years before rugby went professional. That presents a pretty SIMPLISTIC view that you should be able to understand but Im not NAIVE enough to believe you will.

2016-09-08T09:48:05+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


So Coetzee's diagnosis was "we need to use the ball better at (and tackle better at) 12-13-14" Fair enough Cheika's diagnosis was "Fardy weren't hardy; Mumm is my chum"

2016-09-08T09:44:43+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


That's gold

2016-09-08T09:14:23+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Yes 9 tries all but over the series it was 106 points to England to 75 points to Aus. With 45 points each from tries thats 61-30 from kicks. That decided the series so it came down to field position, discipline and accuracy

2016-09-08T08:57:22+00:00

Zack

Roar Rookie


Yep, simplistic and naive alright!! In their 22 Tests to date, the All Blacks average 40 point to Argentina's 13 - hardly "struggling to put away" margin, including 3 scores in the 60's and one in the 90's!! In the last 22 Tests in comparison, the All Blacks average 34 points to Wallabies' 20: the only time the AB's have scored 50 against the Wallabies was the 51-20 a week after a 12-12 draw in August 2014. In fairness to the Wallabies, they also scored another 2 draws within the last 22 Tests, as well as matches lost by 1 or 2 points. No comparison...

2016-09-08T08:47:49+00:00

Jacko

Guest


And correct

2016-09-08T08:34:28+00:00

StevieB

Guest


I'd rather have Lima on the bench, he offers a lot more zip than Cruden, Crudes is a good starter where he can get into rhythm but bring him on with 20 to go and he's not as good, defenses would have to hold their line more with Lima, Cruden can run but needs more of a gap

2016-09-08T08:29:14+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Moaman. The versatility is already on the field-just not the bench. You can start Cruden (a specialist no 10) and bring in BB ( a specialist no 10 ) if Cruden gets injured, which is what has happened for the past 2-3 years but with BB now starting then any other position in the backs apart from no 9 is still covered by BB, who is able to play other positions, with Cruden going to 10 and BB to fullback and smith to wing etc etc. Can you name the last time an AB bench did not have a specialist no 10? Also my post was an answer to your original post yet ended up way down where it did which is beyond my control and therefore none of your comments are immediately above my comment apart from the one telling me.........."I’m unsure how much clearer I need to be to explain (to you) my view on Cruden…the paragraph immediately above your comment should suffice."

2016-09-08T08:24:41+00:00

Zack

Roar Rookie


Yep, simplistic and naive.

2016-09-08T08:11:53+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Nice to know that my simplistic naive view is pretty much exactly the same as your non simplistic non naive view. I was meaning that the scoreline is often not what you would expect from a team ranked no 1 vs a team ranked 8-10. ABs will beat Aus 50-20 or there-abouts 1 week then only beat Argentina 26-15 or something a lot closer than is expected. However those rankings for Argentina are in the past now and with the WC success they had last year I still expect they will remain in the contest for a good part of the game until around the 65-70 min mark-Which to me means the ABs OFTEN STRUGGLE TO FINISH OFF THE pUMA'S and scores never seem to blow out in matches-like they can v Aus for example

2016-09-08T06:57:10+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


For sure, Highlander. Any idea why Luke Whitelock is not getting a look in instead of Squires?

2016-09-08T06:51:11+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


Thanks moaman. I was going to ask about Tuipulotu except that Birdy has been completely overlooked by Hansen and selectors. To me, Romano hasn't been the same player since his return from injury and I thought that Birdy has probably provided a bit more grunt than Romano this year. I concede that Hansen & co are closer to all the players and the stats required to make the calls as they have thus far. Fair call on a swap of Cruden for McKenzie in this test. I guess coaching loyalty may have a bit to play here.

2016-09-08T06:28:14+00:00

Highlander

Guest


yeah, that's what I thought, r7 is only a couple of years out

2016-09-08T05:57:44+00:00

CUW

Guest


15-Joaquin Tuculet, 14-Matias Moroni, 13-Matias Orlando, 12-Juan Martin Hernandez, 11-Santiago Cordero, 10-Nicolas Sanchez, 9-Martin Landajo, 8-Facundo Isa, 7-Javier Ortega Desio, 6-Pablo Matera, 5-Matias Alemanno, 4-Guido Petti, 3-Ramiro Herrera, 2-Agustin Creevy, 1-Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro Replacements: 16-Julian Montoya, 17-Lucas Noguera, 18-Enrique Pieretto, 19-Marcos Kremer, 20-Leonardo Senatore, 21-Tomas Cubelli, 22-Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias, 23-Ramiro Moyano

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