Hawthorn vs Western Bulldogs: Finals Forecast

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

The team ranked first in contested possession differential plays the team ranked last in contested possession differential. That is one of many interesting wrinkles in a very live semi final between the Hawks and Dogs.

Tonight’s game has already been pitched as a battle between the eggheads and the non-eggheads. The Age’s Rohan Connolly wrote on Wednesday that should the Hawks win tonight, the “debate” on contested possession as being the be all and end all metric for success would be largely put to bed.

Fortunately for us all, that debate was put to bed long ago, at least in the more informed segments of the media.

Contested possessions are important, because they are by definition possessions won in situations where the ball is in dispute. Win more contested possessions, and you are creating more opportunities to get your system going; you are also stopping your opponent from getting their system going. If that sounds important, it’s because it is. But it is also only part of the story.(Click to Tweet)

Need a helpful anecdote? Last weekend, Hawthorn lost the contested possession count by more than 50, yet lost after the siren. The caveman statistical-driven thinking Connolly built his criticism around would say the Cats should have destroyed their old enemy. Instead, it was an indicator of the different styles of play of both sides. Hawthorn are much more centred on defending on the outside and forcing turnovers, rather than throwing numbers at the contest. When the Hawks turn the ball over, they don’t give it back. And where the Hawks turn the ball over – in their forward half, through referred pressure and a tightly defined forward press – is important, too.

As Connolly said in his piece, Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson was quoted earlier in the year as saying that the Hawks don’t give a stuff about contested possessions. Like every single discussion using numbers, and indeed most discussions about the game we love, that statement is far more nuanced than many in the media will have you believe.

The game is between the teams ranked first and last in contested possession differential though, even if there isn’t some cosmic meaning lurking beneath the surface. Last weekend saw both sides use their relative strengths to great effect.

Footscray hustled and bustled their way to a victory over a weak and puny West Coast team, who other than a 15 minute patch in the first quarter looked completely overawed. That was testament to the Dogs’ pressure and willingness to commit numbers to the ball, a trait which has quickly become their trademark alongside their finely crafted defensive structures.

The Hawks, by contrast, used their ability to control the ball to counter the heft and aerial powers of Geelong, and it almost came off. Hawthorn lost the contested possession count by an insane 52, but had almost 80 more possessions of the uncontested variety. During the game it was clear that both Alastair Clarkson and Chris Scott were backing their respective systems in, which was what made it such a riveting battle.

Unfortunately, that’s not going to be the story this evening. The Hawks and Dogs played a topsy-turvy game in Round 3, which was the start of Hawthorn’s streak of six wins in games decided by less than two goals. This close shave came about as a result of Dogs’ captain Robert Murphy’s ACL injury in a 2-on-1 marking contest, which resulted in a mark and goal to James Sicily.

The game itself was in Luke Beveridge’s palm all day: the Dogs’ defensive structure and ability to keep the ball scrambling forward still feels like a direct counter to Hawthorn’s outside game, and so it proved. Hawthorn kicked and marked, but couldn’t create any drive, while the Dogs were able to counter punch and create enough scoring opportunities to at first stick with but then run over the Hawks.

It was played at the Docklands, where the Dogs have been a goal-and-a-half better on defence than across all other grounds. In their two games at the ‘G, the Dogs held Collingwood and Melbourne to 53 and 82 points respectively – we can’t infer too much from a sample of two games. The Hawks, by contrast, are almost undistinguishably the same at the MCG versus other grounds at both pointy ends.

Hawthorn proved last weekend that they are still an excellent football team, capable of exerting their influence on games even if they have lost some of their aura of invincibility from recent years. The Cats exploited the Hawks in the air and in their back half; the Dogs will try and exploit the Hawks through the middle of the ground.

It feels like a simple game to call. If the Dogs are able to bring the heat they applied to West Coast last week, there is a massive chance that Hawthorn can’t create enough opportunities to go to work on the outside. A break even through the middle of the ground, or a Hawthorn victory, will see the Dogs struggle to keep up.

The Dogs average contested possession differential in losses during the home-and-away season was +8.1, while in wins it doubled to +17.1. Their biggest victories of the year have come in games where they have smashed their opponents at the break down. One assumes Clarkson knows this, as he would have anticipated Geelong’s moves last week. The issue this week is it is unclear that the Hawks have a reliable counter.

It could be the driver behind Clarkson’s comments on Thursday that this would be a tough, physical encounter. I see Hawthorn’s clearest path to victory as turning this into a rock fight – place more emphasis on winning the ball in tight, and matching the Dogs’ numbers through the middle.

Indeed, Hawthorn’s move to bring in the extra midfielder at the selection table suggests this could be where their thinking is at.

If you think that means I’m picking the Dogs, you’d be correct. This is going to come back and bite me really hard, but I suspect tonight we will witness the end of Fourthorn. The Dogs did everything but beat Hawthorn in Round 3, and minced the Eagles with a commitment to a system that can also serve them well this week.

There was undoubtedly an element of “nobody believes in us” with the Dogs last week; everything from here is upside. Hawthorn are still shooting for immortality, and we can bank on a response in keeping with this.

But match ups matter, and this is not a good match up for Hawthorn. I…I’m picking the Dogs in a tight one, that could reprise the back and forth encounter from Round 3. Let’s say by six points, for fun. Feel free to jump all over me when this fails, and the Hawks win by ten goals.

That’s my Finals Forecast, what’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2016-09-16T23:49:52+00:00

Roger4ever

Guest


Boohoo

2016-09-16T23:48:58+00:00

Roger4ever

Guest


Hey Tim It s about time the Hawks era is over... Had they not won four games by less than 4 points, they would not have made the finals!!!. I am not a Bulldogs fan but they play a fresh looking footy and deserve the win.

2016-09-16T12:45:08+00:00

Lamby

Roar Rookie


And lets see how arrogant you guys will next year with the cliff that the Hawks is about to fall off. Mitchel, Burgoyne, Gibson, Hodge & Lewis are all probably too old next year to push very far!

2016-09-16T09:21:48+00:00

Backyard Bob

Guest


Could think of nothing better than to see a Dogs v. GWS GF, a breath of fresh air in the comp. Hail the New Guard I say! The Doggies can do this, if conditions hold out, if not too dewy etc. Sicily can be the difference.. Go Eagles..ugh sorry, BullDogs!!?

2016-09-16T08:33:16+00:00

Internal Fixation

Guest


This year has been much closer between 1-7 though.

2016-09-16T08:26:08+00:00

Chancho

Roar Rookie


Everybody says they play unsocial football, now they're soft... tall poppy syndrome is well and truly alive and kicking isn't it

2016-09-16T08:07:30+00:00

Raimond

Roar Guru


So many times under this system we've seen the EF winner pumped up, and the QF loser is said to be 'vulnerable', only for the 1-4 team come out and give the 5-8 team a belting. This could well happen tonight, but the Bulldogs seem better than any seventh-placed side we've seen over the last sixteen years. Perhaps an appropriate result would be for Sicily to take a kick for goal in the last minute -- with the Hawks trailing by three points -- only for the ball to go sailing wide to the left of the goals.

2016-09-16T07:56:07+00:00

mattyb

Guest


I could live with all that ;)

2016-09-16T07:33:28+00:00

me too

Guest


you lucky fella - geelong, adelaide, and the saints! then a flag two years later - against gws with coleman medallist boyd kicking the winner!

2016-09-16T07:17:49+00:00

anon

Guest


The fact is the 2016 version is soft. I don't equate sniping and cheap shots to be good tough. When the ball s there to be won they simply don't want it.

2016-09-16T06:33:57+00:00

Kepler

Guest


Hawks' style can win against Bulldogs style. Go back to round 23 when Bulldogs were written off (admittedly they have gained a few quality mids since). Fremantle, whose skills (this year or any year) could hardly be compared to the Hawks, had +51 kicks, +63 marks. There was a clear game plan to hold possession by playing backwards and switching. Bulldogs were +22 for contested possession. Hawks surely can do it better than Freo.

2016-09-16T06:33:54+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


my heart says Bulldogs but my head says if this is a close one the hawks will win it. The Hawks are masters of the close games by their own design, if the game is on the line they can calmly set up the final play will other teams might panic. having said that the dogs total commitment to their plan and their pressure means they won't be a pushover.

2016-09-16T06:09:36+00:00

Republican

Guest


.......yes but the Hawks as with the Swannies are very adept at suffocating any ball speed and running game. I hope they can and don't allow Hawthorn to turn this into an ugly contest at ground level.

2016-09-16T05:55:15+00:00

AR

Guest


In fact, they looked no hope to win 2014. And then...that happened. As I said, I'll happily wear all the mud in the world.

2016-09-16T05:54:19+00:00

AR

Guest


Ok, so Hodge, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Lewis, Rioli, Puopolo, Sheils, Duryea, McEvoy and all others...soft. Phew. Glad that's sorted. These guys should really wake up to themselves and learn what being a tough footballer is all about.

2016-09-16T05:42:32+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


More likely the Dogs manage only 8 goals the entire game.

2016-09-16T05:32:05+00:00

Nev

Guest


You brought the line in the sand game up! I thought the hawks were thugs - soft is a new one. You are fast becoming the new Don Freo on this site.

2016-09-16T05:16:50+00:00

Dean

Guest


Problem for Hawthorn is that they'll rely again on Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis and Burgoyne to win the hard footy this week. Then those same people will have to chase GWS, who just ran the swans mids off the ground, around Spotless for another couple of hours. They just don't have the depth and age is not on those guys' side. Dogs and GWS play a lot faster football than the cats, can't see the hawks keeping up for the next fortnight. My tip is Hodge and/or Lewis to get suspended for finally crossing the line too far.

2016-09-16T05:13:49+00:00

Dean

Guest


Hawthorn's % was less than 120 this year, they're nowhere near as good as other years, scraping over the line on a number of occasions.

2016-09-16T05:10:57+00:00

Dean

Guest


Geelong played pretty poorly last Friday while the Hawks senior players played their best football of the year, cats still won. Sure, the hawks might bring their best game every finals, but their best game this year is a long way behind their best game of the past few years.

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