The Big Rugby Championship question: Home and away

By Brett McKay / Expert

The Rugby Championship enters its third and final phase for 2016, with South Africa hosting Australia in Pretoria, and Argentina hosting New Zealand in Buenos Aires.

This might be the week in which we get a firmer idea on just well, or how badly the Springboks, Pumas, and Wallabies are tracking. I suspect the All Blacks will be fine.

Will home ground advantage – and Highveld advantage – be enough to spark the ‘Boks back into life? Will a win in Pretoria confirm that the Wallabies are indeed trending up again? Will the familiar feel of home turf and taste of local beef be what Los Pumas need to finish the job they couldn’t against the All Blacks three weeks ago?

They’re not the Big Questions we’ll tackle this week, but they’re all worth thinking about.

The Big Question: The Rugby Championship has claimed some important injuries in some important players in all teams, how do you feel the possible replacements will do and which team will have an edge on this issue? (from Nobes)

Nobes: “I think that the Pumas are the ones that will suffer the most replacing injured players.

“Tomás Lavanini and Juan Martin Hernandez are definitely out. Plus, there is also a watch list that Daniel Hourcade has made of players who he considers might not be able to play on Saturday. Agustin Creevy, Guido Petti, Tomás Cubelli, and Facundo Isa (who became sick and had high fever) are there next to Lucas Noguera Paz who has joined them after leaving training camp with a bag of ice on his left foot. If the objective of the Pumas is to win two games in the TRC, they must play it keeping an eye on the next match in London against the Wallabies. What would you do? Hourcade’s head must be about to explode.

“On the other hand we have the Abs. Their only problem is to know who will replace S Kane and J Kaino. There is also the question if Waisake Naholo will start as a wing.

“SA does not have too many injured players, nevertheless A Coetzee has made some drastic changes and questionable alterations especially in the backline. Nobody knows who will start in what position. Bryan Habana sounds like sure number. Other strong names like Pat Lambie and Willie le Roux have been called and we may see a different Bok from previous games. They have reached a must win situation.

“And – unfortunately for them – they will be facing invigorated Wallabies that will enter the field in high spirit, having had two victories on a row. In addition, David Pocock, a huge and outstanding player, will not be part of the party. Can he be replaced with success? I seriously doubt it. In my opinion it will take two players to do his job. I am not sure who may be right to take his place on that day: a natural no.8 should be a reasonable call but they might also need the additional support that an inspired and shiny Hooper can bring to the scene.”

Digger: “Well, I feel the worst off in dealing with injuries is Argentina. I do not believe the replacements for Lavanini or Hernandez offer nearly the same level of ability and in Hernandez’s case certainly, experience and composure. Argentina lack depth at this level and I think that is showing through the inconsistent performances across this tournament.

“Australia, in my view has somewhat benefited from some injuries, notably Adam Ashley-Cooper which has allowed Reece Hodge to show his wares, but are potentially struggling at second five after Matt Giteau was invalided out and Bernard Foley shifting out one. I think they do have better options at second five; Samu Kerevi for sure however I see that more as a selection issue. Pocock is obviously the major out and is a player that simply can’t be replaced but considering his place and strategies employed by the Wallabies, I expect Sean McMahon would fit in perfectly fine and not impact drastically on the overall performance.

“South Africa, to me has shown that at first five, they have struggled a bit. Already out was both Pat Lambie and Handre Pollard and I do feel Elton Jantjies has not been up to this level, while I would argue that Pieter-Steph du Toit’s inclusion for Lood de Jager was a good thing, as Du Toit is in much better form but to me. South Africa are not picking their best available players and while I am aware that external factors are prevalent, selection issues are more of an issue for this side rather than injuries.

“New Zealand are the best placed side to deal with their injuries and has shown this on several occasions however having both Cane and Kaino out does pose some interesting questions, particularly on defence and at the breakdown where Cane’s work rate and Kaino’s intimidating presence may be missed.

“Playing away in Argentina and South Africa (though Kaino will be back in the republic) only adds to the pressure. I have every confidence in Ardie Savea being up to the task but I do wonder about the power of the side without Kaino around. The experienced Aaron Cruden is also unavailable, and though I have noted a number of concerns around how Barrett will handle a pressure match, I am not concerned. Lima Sopoaga has shown at Ellis Park he is capable at this level but questions remain.”

Brett: The All Blacks are undoubtedly the best equipped, and they’ll be fine regardless of who they play on either side of the scrum. Even with different styles of players, they all know the job that needs to be done, so whether it’s Matt Todd and Ardie Savea, or Liam Squire and Ardie Savea, it won’t really matter.

The Wallabies aren’t necessarily the best equipped, but they are coping well, and I completely agree with Digger’s point about the benefits gained from some injuries already. Depth has always been an issue in Australia, but with eight or nine debutants used in 2016 already, this is being addressed in-season.

And that just leaves the Springboks and Puma, neither of whom are likely to fare well. The Pumas only need one of two injuries to look almost nothing like the side the match before, and the ‘Boks, well… when a guy who hasn’t played in months is suddenly touted as the saviour, then you know they’re getting desperate. And I love Pat Lambie as a player!

Harry: “The All Blacks can cope with injuries. Every provincial team is mandated to have the same style (the style is called ‘proper rugby’) and Shag Hansen has the luxury of knowing that random passers-by can fill in admirably on five minutes notice. If Mealamu falls down, Hore steps up; if he stubs a toe, Dane Coles is there, gaining weight with Codie Taylor, but if they both bust a gut, Ricki Riccitelli is fine, too, with Diggercane completely ready, like a rotund Viking who spies a fully provisioned brewery in the Shetlands.

“The Boklings lost Handre Pollard and Patrick Lambie; and the drop off in quality from their exit-kick-pass-game-clock-management was immense when Coach KK went with the mummy-bandaged Elton Jantjies. South Africa has plenty of depth (even with 343 top class players abroad) but when your third string flyhalf plays this poorly, it’s devastating to the team. But KK had options (Frans Steyn outside Jantjies to help? Ruan Pienaar versus the Irish to settle Jantjies? Play poor Johan Goosen at 10? Don’t drop Willie le Roux? Give a big youngster a run at 10, like Robert du Preez?); he chose and coached them poorly.

“Argentina suffers the most from injuries because there are not three test-quality players at each position available. The depth is the thing for the Argentines to build, but that takes time. The drop off from Creevy or Tomas Lavanini is large.

“Australia has been rather lucky on injuries, no? You can never say David Pocock’s injuries are a surprise. The way he plays, the places he goes; it’s much like me. It’s a miracle he can even walk the earth. He puts his body into wood chippers and plods through chain saws. I suppose this will force Cheika to think of a traditional loose trio.”

Tips

Week 4: You got two right… you got two right… everyone got two right!

Nobes: “New Zealand will win at Velez Sarsfield stadium. In order to make a strong statement against the ABs, one needs the full squad at a 100 per cent and hope for the men in black to have a very ugly day. Do not ask me why but I do not see this happening this time around.

“The other game is a tough call: I will go with the ‘Boks because I cannot remember when was the last time they lost four games on a row. The Wallabies may feel the impact of not having taken a trip in the entire year. And I have heard that Pretoria might not always be a friendly place for visitors.”

Digger: “Despite the away match, I think the ABs will have too much in the tank for Argentina, while in Pretoria…?

“It’s a tough one; it makes sense to go for home ground advantage, but I have serious doubts around this Springbok line up. Selections have been inconsistent and there is a lack of cohesion in their play. Lambie is a quality addition but how much rugby has he had? Will it be another combination in midfield and/or the halves this weekend? I am going to take the plunge and back the Wallabies, based on a more settled line-up, more experience and the fact they have shown steady improvement throughout the tournament as opposed to the Springboks, even in Pretoria. Cue eggs, face, etc etc.”

Brett: Yeah, Wallabies and All Blacks for me this weekend, and without too much anxiety over either pick, really.

The Wallabies – probably for the first time since the Rugby World Cup – feel like they’re in a comfortable, stable place while the Bokke are anything but.

And New Zealand, despite a few injuries, will just roll out another couple of understudies and the show will go on, just like they can and do. Argentina, I think, will play very similarly to how they did in Hamilton; excellent for about 50 minutes, and then run out of puff, which will be further exacerbated by the ABs running over the top of them.

Harry: “The Wallabies have an excellent chance to break their Loftus Versfeld hoodoo. They’ll have about 100 more caps along their ‘spine’ than the fledgling Boklings; almost 300 more caps in the game day squad. Coach Kootchie Koo is even less sure of his best game plan and backline than Coach SS Waratah. But. I will go out on a slender limb and predict a highly controversial win by the home team, led by our lightly-coached, mis-coached, but very fine players. Lambie-led Bokke by 2.

“In Argentina, the black invaders will not wait for 50 minutes to gather steam. New Zealand by 30, and Pumas’ noticeable lack of full squad fitness becomes undeniable.”

The Summary

The verdict
The Crowd prefers the Springboks at home for this weekend, though there wasn’t a whole lot in it from 300 responses received in total.

58.4% South Africa
94.0% New Zealand

The Crowd Says:

2016-09-30T04:28:23+00:00

Nobrain

Guest


We do what we can do. Is not Harry ' s poetry but .......

AUTHOR

2016-09-30T04:23:03+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


The Crowd this week has followed... Harry Jones! And Nobes, obviously. Must've been the excellent prose...

2016-09-30T02:43:35+00:00

taylorman

Guest


Geez it still looks a good side and although Im not a Steyn fan it does add some experience and robustness to the Bok setup with he and Lambie controlling the exits, goalkicking and general gameplan. Still dont get why this side isnt stronger.

AUTHOR

2016-09-30T02:43:17+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Yeah, no doubt TM, it was more a reflection on the strength of the side that the absence of a key player wasn't initially noticed! Definitely smart, and it dangles a carrot in front of TKB and even the others back home playing in the M10C to finish the season well..

2016-09-30T02:07:19+00:00

Katipo

Guest


You know, the extended squads are so big these days, it makes me wonder why Sanzaar can't manage to organise some mid week games for the touring dirt trackers (that's what we used to call the extended squad members). Would have been great to see the All Blacks play NSW Country at Gosford on the Tuesday before the Bledisloe in Sydney, say. Surely there is money in that?

2016-09-30T00:35:23+00:00

Old Bugger

Guest


Big calls mate.....but right now, I think Shag has got a bucket-load of players lining up in the pack and back-line, that he may need to take a squad of 40-45 players, if he has intentions to consider both brothers on tour. IMO, unless a player does something really stupid off the paddock, then once they've got themselves an AB run either from starting or off the bench, then Hansen's loyalty always leads the way when he hits the selection x-road between players. Akira is up against it with Read, Cane, Kaino, Savea, Squire and Dixon all probably available and having had their starts so far. Similarly with Reiko who is up against Naholo, Savea, Dagg, Feks, Crotty, Moala and ALB for the inside/outside backs positions. If he takes them just to help them acclimatise within the ABs environment, then surely you have to ask who else may be deserving of such an invite. How about Coltman, Hames, Luke Whitelock, McKenzie and Todd to name a few. Ofa T will be there no doubt and others who will get a trip but unlikely, to get a game. Considering next year's Lions tour, then there could be some justification to take extra players along, to introduce them into the AB set-up without, the chance of any game-time. I'd agree with that opportunity cos it gives Shag a wider selection group if any injuries, were to hit incumbent ABs, in the SR comp lead-in to the tour and it removes any time necessary to initiate, those new caps into the AB system, prior to the tests. As for a Jafa thingee....nah mate. We're all in the same boat hoping to see more of our own, make the squad let alone, make the run-on side. Good luck to them all cos next year, is going to be a bumper year, for NZ rugger.

2016-09-29T20:43:15+00:00

taylorman

Guest


Hansen does this often Brett. He's resting key players and at the same time putting players under pressure by starting them. Every now and then one of these selections will end up biting him but I think its a good move and it confirms his thinking that if you're good enough to be selected you're good enough to start. It reduces the chance of key injuries simply through less game time and in this period of 8 odd away matches I think the other sides will rack them up if they keep playing their best sides, Oz to suffer more from that than most if it happens.

2016-09-29T20:15:24+00:00

taylorman

Guest


I reckon both brothers will be on the bus to Europe Highlander as will anyone who has the slightest chance of playing against the Lions. If the trend continues the Blues look to be a strong contender for the playoffs next year and Akira Ioane has a lot of presence, more so than either Elliot or Squire on this years form, despite the Sevens woes. Both are in top form in Mitre 10 as they were in Super Rugby. A SBW Reiko midfield could be a stronger contender against the Lions. Reiko is showing more maturity at his age at centre than any player Ive seen for years, plus our midfield stocks are if we are honest are non spectacular with somewhat journeyman like in comparison to other stronger, more visible players. Reiko Ioane provides a contrast there with both his height and ability to beat players one on one and no one has really nailed the 13 jersey, for me Fekitoa is ok but given the opportunities hes had should be in a stronger position by now as first pick. Europe for both for sure I reckon. It makes sense to continue to build the youth and stocks and its a hansen trait to do so. Might be a Jafa thing I know but the second rise of the Phoenix has to happen sometime :-)

2016-09-29T16:44:02+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Are you related to Tommy Harris Smith from Old Georgian's and St George's school in Quilmes?

2016-09-29T13:21:14+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Our exits should be fine; and we probably won't add many "missed points" to the 40 missed kicks off the tee (so far in 2016). Poor exits lost two games for us; missed kicks at goal lost another. The only "unwinnable" game was at Christchurch. But a lot of this rides on Rudy Paige. He has the ability to be a total 9, but hasn't had much game time.... Still, we don't have to watch excruciatingly poor exits and up-and-unders, this week.

2016-09-29T12:55:53+00:00

JenEl

Roar Rookie


Hi Suzy! Just saw the Springbok team sheet for Saturday... Eishh... Methinks I'ma rather gonna practice my make-up skills come Saturday afternoon. Back to kick-chase against the best kick retriever in the business (Folau)? Lambie at 15 still under a concussion cloud? Surely he'd be safer at 10 from getting another knock on the head? Also very little match practise, madness I tell ya'. If there were no fitness question marks I'd agree that he would be the best option at this stage. Paige (alongside Oupa) will set new standards for mediocrity (both are good Provincial level players at best). Yes my side is inexperienced and yes it is loaded with Lions players (seeing as I'm a fan) but it's only fair that these players, who have been on a different planet than any other team from the Republic, gain that invaluable experience the only way you can: by actually playing! Stop picking players seriously on the downhill slope (Beast/Adriaan/Flouw/Steyn/Habana comes to mind) and start building towards the next World Cup now. Agreed with Hougaard being a good option at nine, but give him the freedom to express his natural (instinctive) game, he'll never be the next (tactical genius) Fourie du Preez like they tried to make him. Maybe it's best we lose come Saturday for fear of this terrible reign continuing longer than it needs to... Yes the coach (/selector) is the biggest dog (in the system). Just to put this in context (his selection of players out of position): The fullback is a fly-half, the right wing is a left wing, the left wing is a scrumhalf, the outside centre is a full-back and the inside centre is an outside centre (played at 13 for Stormers last week). With everyone but the halfbacks in your backline playing out of position it stands to reason that your defence will be out of sorts (as it has been). I'm no rocket scientist but surely ironing my panties come Saturday afternoon seems more productive than watching this lot...

2016-09-29T12:29:23+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Thanks Diggerman. I thought Nobes had the prose of the week. Boklings have a stronger spine this week, except not necessarily at 9, where we are still experimenting: 15 Lambie, 14 Habanero, 13 Jesse, 12 JdeJ, 11 Frankie H, 10 Morne, 9 Rudy P, 8 WW, 7 Oupa, 6 Flo, 5 PSDT, 4 EE, 3 Koch, 2 Strauss (c), 1 Beast Substitutes: 16 Bongi, 17 Redhead, 18 Redeling-ling-ding, 19 Lood, 20 Alberts, 21 Jaco, 22 Mapoe, 23 Willie

2016-09-29T11:17:10+00:00

Chinmay Hejmadi

Roar Guru


Lambie at fullback for the Bokke.

2016-09-29T09:24:19+00:00

Machpants

Roar Guru


Wallabies announced: Australia: 15 Israel Folau, 14 Dane Haylett-Petty, 13 Samu Kerevi, 12 Bernard Foley, 11 Reece Hodge,10 Quade Cooper, 9 Will Genia, 8 Sean McMahon, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Dean Mumm, 5 Adam Coleman, 4 Rob Simmons, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Scott Sio Replacements: tba What's it all about with Cheika and not naming the bench til the last minute?

2016-09-29T09:05:37+00:00

Nobrain

Guest


If a player from Argentina plays in SR makes him eligible to play for the Pumas. Cubelli plays for Bumbies and also for the Pumas.

2016-09-29T08:40:27+00:00

Chinmay Hejmadi

Roar Guru


Looks like Kootchie Koo is going with Paige and Steyn as his half back pairing.

2016-09-29T08:31:45+00:00

CUW

Guest


probably and Squire being exposed to take over from Read. Squire is generally an 8 in super rugger. if my memory is correct both Squire and Read got concussed in the same game in super rugger. (2015 was it?) and i think Read started out at 6 before settling at 8. the guy i feel sorry for is Brad Shields. he has a monster game but does not even get a mention becoz of injuries and others like Squire and Kaino. but dont u forget Luatua ; his versatility is loved by Hansen - he was in the world cup radar before getting injured. OH btw , if the trial lows take root , just maybe Ioane will play at 7 ; he already does for Auckland so .... :)

2016-09-29T08:23:38+00:00

CUW

Guest


isnt "‘Full throttle’ one of the Fast & Furios movies?

2016-09-29T08:21:43+00:00

CUW

Guest


if its any consolation , he cant do any worse than jantjies. But then if as someone has said above Rudy paige is the scrum half , things can get worse !!! it is silly - when u have a whie scrum half u play a black fly half and vice versa..... duh did they not see how well Hougaard played in 7S ?????

2016-09-29T08:15:12+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


I hear you guys and the caution is wise. And I agree that he still has plenty to learn and show. But I've also got no doubt that both these boys are earmarked as long term AB's and I'm also pretty sure they're both plenty good enough to be exactly that. I guess what I was trying to say is Kaino is clearly NZ's first choice starting 6 and when he eventually retires I think Ioane will be the next one.

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