My not so magnificent night with a derby virgin, Pt 2 - thanks RBB, you ruined it!

By Stuart Thomas / Expert

For the next 12 weeks or so, the city is Sky Blue. Or so supporters one side of the derby like to say.

In fact, it is quite a strong shade of blue after a dominant second half that produced four goals and saw Graham Arnold’s men walk away with a crushing victory.

The article I wrote last week about the opening round derby was obviously written with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek.

My companion for the night was genuinely excited about his first derby experience and many other Roarers commented about guests and friends they were taking along for the first time.

However, after what we observed on the night, the tone of this article will be considerably different.

A few things shocked and disappointed him and raised my eyebrows as well. We did our normal thing and parked our car at Newington and walked the kilometre and a half across to the stadium well ahead of game time.

On our walk, we could hear the chants and songs of the Wanderers supporters who had decided to meet and walk across to the stadium.

I tried to convey a sense of the atmosphere he was about to encounter, yet this proved a tough sell after numerous police cars roared past and took a hard left towards the centre of the Homebush precinct.

We weren’t sure what was going on at that point, but I felt a little uneasy and for the first time, questioned my ability to engage a cynical, yet potentially new, fan to the game.

The sight of a riot squad vehicle snailing its way through the gathering masses as we walked towards our gate surprised us both. In all our time attending ANZ for rugby league, AFL or rugby union games, neither of us could ever remember seeing such a strong police presence outside the ground.

I was unsure why this was the case; there didn’t appear to be any trouble and surely there wouldn’t be any nonsense on such an enormous night for A-League football, right?

The buzz inside the ground was pulsating in the half hour before kick-off and the slightly late start helped build that further. Sadly, I can see a day in the future where A-League kick-off times are pushed back to somewhere near 8:30pm as is the case in other commercialised codes.

The first half began at a decent tempo and produced some entertaining football. Sydney seemed dominant in the first 12 or so minutes yet the Wanderers started to find their short passing game in traffic and created a couple of half-chances.

Jumpei Kusukami and Mitch Nichols began to look dangerous, yet the width Sydney FC were able to exploit on the flanks did look more potent than what the Wanderers were able to throw at their well-organised defence.

We sat at the RBB end of the ground in the ANZ members section on level four. The committed fans didn’t let us down as they sang from the pregame through to half time and the Sydney FC voices were well and truly drowned out by the din.

Dave was intrigued by the lack of attention paid to the actual game by the RBB and asked me, “do they even watch the game?”

I assured him they do.

I was more interested in a banner that hung from the upper tier directly behind the RBB in the first half. It read, ‘Our birth was your death.’

The ‘death’ was highlighted in spine-tingling blood red and the font was a copy of the ‘chiller’ variety available in Microsoft Word. I assumed the banner was a reference to the two clubs.

Why the RBB feel the need to express such negativity and vitriol towards the other club which helps create the greatest football derby in the nation is beyond me. Both clubs need each other and the FFA needs the fixture.

The death of either of the club would be a disaster for the A-League and ‘pie in the sky’ stuff considering both clubs are strong and look set to compete for finals places come 2017.

Mysteriously the sign came down early in the game.

Five minutes into the second half, my incredible ability to walk out of a room and immediately bring about a goal during televised A-League matches was once again on show in spades, as FC found the net through Filip Holosko after fifty minutes.

Upon my return, someone in the guts of the RBB lit a flare and security ran from all quarters with metal buckets waiting in the vicinity. Apparently, this event had been prepared for well in advance.

Before the smoke had settled, Aritz Borda was caught impersonating a fire hydrant and Bobo slotted a second from inside the six-yard box.

There was stunned silence among the RBB for a period, yet they reignited as their team found their run and attacked with a vigour that was absent earlier in the contest. They used better width and some decisive and crisp passing, yet the FC defensive structure held solid, as it did throughout the night.

Two late goals in the final ten minutes sealed the deal for the Sky Blues and the energy was slowly sapped from the game.

Wanderers’ fans corralled into one of their many chants which attack their Sydney rivals.

As the game slowly slipped away, chants of ‘f*** off east Sydney’ rang from somewhere behind me and I couldn’t help but glance at the cute little kids seated nearby, looking lovingly up towards their dads, adorned in both Sydney and Wanderers kits, wondering what the words meant.

A second flare was captured earlier than the first and dunked in the bucket well before it could provide any sort of entertainment for the RBB. A late Alex Brosque goal rounded off a four-goal victory.

As derbies go, it had all the required energy, tension and vigour, yet it was the passion side of things that interested me.

The RBB seem to want to make the entire contest about them. That’s not what passion for a team is all about.

Passion is being there when the club is struggling. Passion is being a Swans fan in the early nineties when they literally couldn’t win a game. It’s seeing them climb the ladder to a grand final in 1996 and a period of sustained success from then on.

Passion is being born, raised and educated in an area and loving the team that represents those roots. In my case, that’s the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs.

How dare the RBB attempt to establish their form of passion as the barometer for fans. For every flare, banner or finger gesture, there is a football fan sitting quietly in the stands watching the strategic manoeuvres of coaches and admiring the skilful attributes of players.

I am not so ignorant to think that it is only fans of the Wanderers who behave in this manner, yet when clubs take the step of writing to their own fans and requesting their behaviour be curbed, it is safe to say we have a problem.

The statement on the Wanderers’ own website is crystal clear about crowd behaviour and acknowledges the few hundred buffoons who fail to get the message. Despite this, the club has escaped sanction once again, and it beggars belief.

Passion isn’t letting off dangerous flares – that’s actually a crime. Supporting a team isn’t shouting vitriolic words into the ears of fans who are more interested in actually watching the game. Nor is it slurring opposition teams in complete ignorance of what they actually bring to the contest.

These are, in fact, acts of hooliganism, something that Australia should be well above, considering our perceived history of fair play.

As good a night as my colleague had at his first ever derby, unfortunately, I fear, he won’t be back. As long as the RBB persist in attempting to draw attention to themselves and the FFA fail to act, they will continue to put a downer on what is fast becoming one of the greatest sporting spectacles in the country.

The Crowd Says:

2016-10-14T10:44:54+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


I think we're kind of in agreement on a lot of the issues. It's been a good conversation — I've enjoyed it, thanks.

2016-10-14T09:54:55+00:00

rasty

Guest


Mostly to laugh PH.... With you of course. :)

2016-10-14T06:46:46+00:00

marron

Guest


And of course, those strong arm tactics which it has been argued were needed related to a very different situation to what we have here in the aleague - 1980s England when hoologanism was fully blown and endemic. Even having said that - at euro tournaments, where there is still this kind of threat, they've used these methods successfully (Portugal) or gone down the old path (france).

2016-10-14T06:33:35+00:00

marron

Guest


What's the end result rick? Less police. Less trouble. As opposed to more police. And trouble. Maybe with heaps of police, less trouble. correlation doesn't equate to proof that is a fair enough point, I agree. Happy to concede I generalised flippantly as well. But the basic premise of the research is that having lots of police in opposition to fan groups doesn't work as effectively as toning it down and ultimately having less does. No you don't just get rid of them, it has to be coupled with other measures and it might take a little time. But it works in the long run. Your original contention was about the waste of resources involved. These measures work. They solve your issues and mine. Less resources. Less trouble. Strong arm tactics might work to a point - but not fully, and it's a waste, and from what I've seen result in far more ugly situations than a low key approach.

2016-10-14T05:40:24+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


Re-burn your burnt toast...

2016-10-14T05:38:38+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


Nibbling on your burnt toast from breakfast is never good AZ. I'd say the trouser fluff didn't improve the taste either...lesson learnt mate.

2016-10-14T05:35:48+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


No that's because you put the burnt toast down you trousers while attempting to leave the house...

2016-10-14T05:34:24+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


Did you cover your face and take a selfie? Not worth anything unless you post it... Did a flatmate/neighbour run in with a bucket of sand and dunked the sizzling black square in it? If you didn't have a rather large, round bloke wearing a fluro yellow jacket stamped with 'E' knocking on your door, you might have got away with it AZ. Save the RBB blame game for when he bashes the door down...

2016-10-14T02:49:46+00:00

Post hoc

Guest


I'd rather you straighten yourself up and think what you have written, rather than have 'moderators' do it for you. I would hate for you to develop a persecution complex. But what you said was out of line, I hope you realise that

2016-10-14T02:15:50+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


You are arguing a different point altogether with those articles you have linked. 1. We have agreed that most of the research you are citing involve multiple facets - not just police reduction. Now this isn't my field of expertise, but I'm well attune to how research principals work. Let me ask you this: If you change multiple variables (i.e. police numbers and police behavior) how do you know which of those variables had a positive or negative affect? You can't, which is why you can't make a blanket statement like you have done, citing the research you have. 2. You are not taking in the full extent of that article you have referenced either. The reduction of police have occurred as a direct result of prior actions taking place. This is from the article you referenced: "Mr Davies, 50, from Cwmaman, says he understands why the police resorted to strong-arm tactics in the past as hooliganism was out of control. The strength of that response combined with greater use of banning orders and more sophisticated intelligence has removed many troublemakers from the equation and created an atmosphere where more relaxed policing is possible, he said." Ground work has lead to the removal of a certain element within the crowd. This has ultimately allowed for the reduction in police. It's classic peacekeeping operations. I agree with you on so many levels, but you are trying to distort the evidence to make your case. It doesn't work like this.

2016-10-14T00:53:36+00:00

marron

Guest


I think post hoc is trying to do some self policing Rick.

2016-10-14T00:51:51+00:00

marron

Guest


A more general article online with some details. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/city-fans-being-treated-respect-2372469

2016-10-14T00:48:48+00:00

marron

Guest


At Cardiff City, a dialogue based approach led directly to a reduction in police numbers at football matches. Stott, Hoggert & Pearson (2012) ”’Keeping the peace’. Social Identity, Procedural Justice and the Policing of Football Crowds”. British journal of criminology. 52.2: 381-399

2016-10-14T00:10:53+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


Nah, the tough guy on The Roar comments on every article. I'm the guy who wonders in occasionally and makes fun of comments like this: "with ear plugs in your ears" I'm going to bet you stop the juvenile laughing. Not in this thread though, you need to save face.

2016-10-14T00:01:40+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


There's a report button in the top right. Please feel free to use it at any stage.

2016-10-13T23:41:23+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


In a very basic sense marron. I'm not going to get drawn into a sidetracked argument either. The simple fact is, there is no evidence to suggest decreasing police presence leads to a reduction in crowd disorder at football matches in isolation. The way in which those resources are used certainly can, which is what you are alluding to - not purely the reduction itself. I'm not suggesting what your saying is completely wrong either, I'm just saying you have made a blanket statement on police numbers and this my friend you haven't backed up with any solid data. What we also haven't taken into consideration is the ability for the police to control a rioting crowd with less numbers. It's one thing using police numbers to intimidate a crowd (essentially subduing them), but more importantly, greater numbers allow police to bring a riot under control and protect innocent bystanders in a far safer and quicker manner.

2016-10-13T23:25:22+00:00

Post hoc

Guest


well said, I know the marketing campaign has been trolled a bit but I think it has been a good one, and the Yoshi's are the correct target for FFA. The fact that these 'kids' older and and younger can see someone who likes them who sounds like them playing on the big stage is a massive benefit. The clubs now have to continue with other Yoshi's.

2016-10-13T23:05:48+00:00

pauly

Guest


I'm curious as to what Yoshi thought of the flares at the RBB end. Slightly but not so off-topic was the discussion on Offsiders the next day, where the panel seemed somewhat incredulous that FFA were aiming for the "Yoshis" of Australia and not doing enough to attract the casual sports fan. Judging by some of the antagonistic comments here from people I would perceive to be CSFs, I say FFA are heading in the right direction. CSFs seem keen to dip their toes into different sports but won't commit. They are looking for amusement, perhaps something they can post on Instagram. The CSF might have come from the Sydney Derby talking about the flares and the noise while Yoshi probably talked about Sydney's 4 goals and overall dominance with the skill of Jumpei Kusukami and the endeavour of Kerem Bulut the only saving graces for WSW. Who's more likely to turn up to a non-derby match for either side? No prizes as to guessing whom.

2016-10-13T22:55:01+00:00

pauly

Guest


Is it possible to emboss serial numbers on them that can withstand the heat? Then the serial number can be checked against the purchaser, who is then sent a show cause notice.

2016-10-13T22:44:11+00:00

pauly

Guest


Correct use of apostrophes is your Achilles' heel.

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