Out of shape bloke who can't kick straight has surprisingly strong opinions about AFLW

Look, I'm very busy man atm. So, what I'll do is I'll link the statistics to this thread latter. I can definitely understand why people have massive cognitive dissonance when told of these statistics. Due to the political environment we live in, only certain statistics will be thrown down people's throats. I'm not silly, i know that once you see these statistics, you'll just blow them off. But I'm hoping that in the back of your tiny minds, you'll learn something.

Ben, If you want to be taken seriously, you need to back up your stats and assertions. Plain and simple. Of course there are men who are victims in family breakdowns, but if you're only bringing this up to tear down the argument for protecting women then you are showing your true colours. Someone once said that "men fear women because they might laugh at them, women fear men because they might kill them." Do you know what the "3 fathers every day" and the hundreds of women who are victims of DV have in common? They're both victims of male violence and that is what needs to change. Now, either show us some sources for your outlandish assertions or accept that you are out of your depth.

Look, credit where it's due, as an exercise in being deliberately obnoxious and bomb throwing you've done rather well. You have demonstrated a pretty extraordinary capacity for self-delusion, and when you run into an intellectual dead-end, as you have done a number of times, you simply reverse course and charge off in another direction until you go crashing into another wall, like a toddler with a bucket on its head, trying to get high from the concussion. I'm amused you're still upset about my earlier suggestion. At least you're not chest puffing and making threats about me being in "an awful state" if I wasn't behind my keyboard anymore. Isaac Asimov once wrote that "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" and based on your performance on this topic I've no reason to doubt him. Is that you've all got? Ego and violence? At long last, is that all you have left? I'm disappointed.

Not at all man. I can definitely understand why wicked campers are seen as offensive, and Leyonhjelm was out of line from the con't I've seen there. You need to understand that simply because you've lost an argument, is no reason to say something like that. You haven't rattled me at all. If i wasn't such a strong individual, you might have. I personally, take anything you say with a grain of salt. You're naive and absolutely have no idea about almost anything you talk about. But there are people out there that would take that seriously. Keep that in mind.

Wow, talk about a comments section veering right off course! There seem to be a whole lot of out-of-shape blokes spraying the ball out of bounds on the full. Note to Riordan Lee: might be time to shut this article down. Think your point has been well and truly made.

'I’m big enough and strong enough to take something like that, I’ve dealt with harder things in life.' Pretty ironic coming from a guy who's been having a hissy fit anytime someone has attempted to critique his views on this thread, don't you think, Ben? 'I don’t hesitate letting people know about stuff I’m passionate about and know a lot about, i love debating.' That's fine, but there's a time and a place for letting people know about your agenda. And I'll give you a hint: that evidently isn't this website. Besides, you mustn't be a very good debater seeing as you've somehow managed to completely transform a thread about womens sport into a feminist-bashing platform. Well done, champ.

Ah. So you do have a cage that can be rattled. I thought you might. You're another David Leyonhjelm. Talks the talk, says it's all open slather, says whatever he likes, tells people they're weak and then someone cuts him where it hurts and it turns out he bleeds. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-30/leyonhjelm-tells-womens-rights-activist-stfu-on-twitter/7557830 You have shown no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who has taken you to task over the very deplorable views you have expressed. So don't expect me to feel one iota of sympathy for your hurt feelings. You have no idea who I am, what sort of life I have lived and what I have seen and experienced. I don't know yours either, but I'm standing on firm ground when I say that you are out of your depth. Time to find the safety of the shallow end.

Paul D, for someone that criticizes someone else for not have "empathy and understanding", the penultimate part of your comment there is a very low act. I'm big enough and strong enough to take something like that, I've dealt with harder things in life. There's probably at least one big difference between you and i but. I've always believed that if you wouldn't have the nads to say something to a person's face, you shouldn't say it from behind a keyboard. I don't hesitate letting people know about stuff I'm passionate about and know a lot about, i love debating. Would i say something like you just said to someone's face? 100% no. That's why i wouldn't say it on here. I'm glad you are behind a keyboard, because you'd be in an awful state right now if you weren't. I think you've just shown what a weak coward you are. Your children (i hope you don't have any) must be so proud of you! ?

I would think that women being able to go into a police station and apply for an AVO if they felt threatened by their partner is a good thing? Are you saying they should just take their chances? I find your obsession with numbers and statistics a bit unsettling to be honest - I think you forget that these are real people caught up in this. There's a lot of talk from you of percentages, and ratios, and CAPITALISED WORDS, but it's not really that compelling, and not just because you haven't provided any source for these numbers, but because it also reveals your lack of empathy and understanding. Quite frankly I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with women's football, but I suppose it was never about that in the first place, was it. I can only hope that you either one day lose that chip on your shoulder, because I suspect if this isn't a total act that it's probably holding you back in life - otherwise if that's not possible perhaps you could do everyone else around you a favour and one day soon join those 3 fathers you keep talking about. Have a nice night.

Is that all you have, man? That's pretty weak. Ben, I'll have you know that I reckon Tom is one of the most intelligent and articulate people on here, so I don't think vaguely insulting him is gonna rattle him too much. Regardless, it's getting pretty ridiculous now. Do you actually think anyone is listening to you, dude? I can understand people giving persistent, long-winded arguments on the topic on sports - whilst they're annoying, at least it's on topic - but you obsessively ranting about what is a very complicated and delicate issue is unsettling, to say the least. Give it a rest, buddy.

Is that all you have, man? That's pretty weak. I've just shot down common myths that naive people like yourself spread, and you come up with that! I've only been on the roar for maybe 4 months... There may be another straight shooter on here too. I don't know. Probably a brilliant fella but.

This is starting to sound familiar. I'm pretty sure Ben has posted here before under a different alias, also railing against feminism on a vaguely related issue. This is obsessive behaviour. This isn't normal.

In ALL states of Australia, if a woman feels threatened in ANY way by a man. She can walk into any courthouse or police station and have an AVO thrown on him. If she wants to punish him, in the family courts, she can make up ANY lie under oath, without fear of being charged with perjury. Even if her ex has been found not guilty by the court of law and she hasn't got a shred of evidence. That's fact. In a recent survey of judges from NSW and QLD. Up to 85% of them believe a large majority of AVO's are used as strategy by women trying to punish their ex's. And selfishly punishing their own children. That's fact! Please, if this happens to your son, tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about! ? The ratio for Australian women being victims of DV to not being victims is 1 in 67 to 1 in 100, depending on what research you read. Anyone being assaulted is bad. But the "sheer volume" you speak of is naive garbage. When a relationship between victim and offender is not defined, the ABS automatically defaults it to "DV"... Another bit of fact for you! At least 3 Fathers that have had dealings with the Family Courts take their own lives EVERY DAY in Australia. Another fact you will turn a blind eye too! In reality, not only are men more likely to be victims of physical assault (overall) in their lives, they're also more likely to kill THEMSELVES then a woman. I really hope your son never has to ask you for advice if he's a DV victim.

What don't you understand? You're saying that there are plenty of sports women can play professionally. We then put our heads together and came up with a very small handful of sports that allow women to earn enough that they don't have to keep a day job. We then came up with only 1 sport (maybe 2) where female earnings come close to men. Women have the opportunity to excel at any sport that they play, as long as they have the ability and the resources. What I'm trying to make abundantly clear to you is this: Men are much, much, much, much more well-resourced than women in the same sport and that's pretty much universal.

"being branded a domestic violence perpetrator if he EVER gets upset in ANY way when he’s around a woman." Pull your head in mate, that's untrue and you know it!" There are certainly cases where men are unjustly persecuted for domestic violence that they haven't perpetrated, but that pales in comparison to the sheer number of women that are subjected to physical and psychological abuse every day. Do you honestly think that a man getting upset in "any way" automatically gets him labelled a domestic violence perpetrator? This is starting get really silly!

So, I'll take it if you have a son, you'll be fine with him being branded a domestic violence perpetrator if he EVER gets upset in ANY way when he's around a woman. ...I pray you don't have a son!

Me: "Of course, there’s plenty of other sports that women can play professionally..." You: "You have to admit that there are far less opportunities for women though..." Seems pretty clear cut to me, unless you can name professional sports that women play where they're not able to excel?

@pies, The market does drive professional sports numbers. Nobody can reasonably dispute that. That, after all, is why we settle in to watch footy every weekend instead of field hockey or rowing regardless of gender. You seem to be suggesting that I think there are no pathways for female athletes, which I'm not. What I'm saying is that women do not have the anywhere near the same resources that men get, so they have far, far less opportunity to excel.

If you wrote down every instance where women get paid less than men despite doing the same work I think you'd crash the website

Women's golfers do OK, nowhere near as good as tennis. In fact, I would say women tennis players earn more per hour than the men as they only play best of 3 sets at GS instead of 5, which I do think is unfair for the men.