Pick winners to be winners: A table-based NSW State of Origin side

By Dutski / Roar Guru

Origin team speculation is almost a sport in its own right.

Should incumbency be rewarded? When is it time to bring in new blood? Should you play players out of position? What about club combinations – do they matter? Should you pick on class, which is apparently permanent, or form, which is allegedly temporary?

Of course, proper selectors need to consider all of these things, which sometimes sees good players being picked, even if their team is languishing in the bottom reaches of the NRL table.

But what if we didn’t just look at the player? What if we placed a greater emphasis on how the player’s team is travelling right now? What if we picked players from teams in winning form? If you pick winners, would you be winners?

(AAP Image/Dean Lewins)

If that was the case you’d apply this method:

1. Start at the top of the table. From the top team, pick everyone who is eligible. Pick them in position and only if they are fit. So if they are named and play the game before the team’s picked, they’re in.
2. After you’ve filled slots from the top team, work your way on to the next best. Players would only be available in the position they were picked in for their club side. If it’s off the bench, then they’d be picked only for the bench in Origin.
3. Keep working down the table until number 1-17 are filled.

Obviously there are some things to work through. You aren’t going to pick a two-game rookie for Origin, so a minimum 25 game requirement comes in. Suspended players are a bit tricky, but if that means they miss Origin, then maybe they should smarten their act up.

Players injured in their final game will be replaced by the best available player who plays that position, so down the ladder you go.

Using this method, Storm players are picked first, giving us Jordan Maclean at prop, Dale Finucane at lock and Cheyse Blair at centre. Broncos players are next, adding James Roberts and David Mead. And so forth.

Here’s what the NSW Origin side would look like:

1. Michael Gordon (Roosters)
2. Daniel Tupou (Roosters)
3. James Roberts (Broncos)
4. Cheyse Blair (Storm)
5. Blake Ferguson (Roosters)
6. James Maloney (Sharks)
7. Chad Townsend (Sharks)
8. Andrew Fifita (Sharks)
9. Cameron McInnes (Dragons)
10. Jordan Maclean (Storm)
11. Luke Lewis (Sharks)
12. Wade Graham (Sharks)
13. Dale Finucane (Storm)

14. Tariq Sims (Dragons)
15. Kane Evans (Roosters)
16. Jeremy Latimore (Sharks)
17. David Mead (Broncos)

Obviously, this system throws up some anomalies and quirks. A few points for and against sees the Sharks halves both picked over their Roosters counterparts. Cheyse Blair wins the number four spot almost by default, while James Roberts sneaks in ahead of likely contender Jack Bird and talented Roosters youngster Latrell Mitchell.

(AAP Image/Paul Miller)

Michael Gordon, while a well-loved clubman and super-reliable, hasn’t been in the conversation about the NSW number one jersey. Blake Ferguson squeaks into the side because Josh Addo-Carr is one game short of the arbitrary 25 game criteria. If the Storm are still ahead of the Roosters before Game 2, the youngster would get the nod.

Picking bench players over eligible starting players from lower teams sees us with David Mead as our utility and three forwards in Tariq Sims, Kane Evans and Jeremy Latimore.

In reality, you’d probably pick a starting player from a lower ladder club whose jersey had already been taken. That way you could fit Boyd Cordner into the side, for example.

But overall, it’s not a bad team. The wingers have Origin experience, the halves have won a premiership, the pack is a mix of experience and youth. And here’s the thing – they are all winners at the moment.

Obviously, this is not the NSW side that Laurie Daley will pick. But if we were to truly recognise winning form at club level, these are the players that would be in the side, or at least in the conversation.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2017-05-23T20:27:43+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


It was playing with a concept. It stimulated discussion. It made some people think. Cheyse Blair was a howler that came up in the system but as yet nobody has pointed out any NSW eligible players who regularly wear the number 4 shirt. Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it but thanks for reading and commenting anyway. Cheers

2017-05-23T13:13:30+00:00

jeff dustby

Guest


no, picking cheyse blair is a great idea. what a waste of time

AUTHOR

2017-05-23T11:55:22+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Hey Nostradamus . I don't do SuperCoach. Is this your opportunity to join the writers of the roar? Anyone can if you have a crack!

2017-05-23T07:21:44+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


That's certainly closer to the mark. Cheers.

AUTHOR

2017-05-23T02:14:31+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Picking players from teams that are going well? Yeah, never work. So... How many knights in the nsw team?

2017-05-23T01:17:11+00:00

Nostradamus

Guest


Isnt there usually an article on the super coach based origin teams ? that would be interesting

2017-05-22T23:24:26+00:00

Jeff dustby

Guest


What a terrible suggestion

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T21:36:05+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


FYI TB the bench would be Cordner, Vaughan, Frizzell and Pearce or Keary as the utility if you went for one back rower, two middle forwards and a utility.

2017-05-22T09:59:06+00:00

Michael Keeffe

Roar Guru


As a Queenslander I'd be happy if you kept picking those three in the front row. Unfortunately you only kept Woods this year. Most over rated front rower in the game.

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T08:00:27+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Thanks Gus! Now about Mitchell Pearce...

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T07:59:38+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Thanks TB. As a Roarer I respect, that means a lot.

2017-05-22T07:52:55+00:00

Gus Paella

Guest


Yeah I agree. I really enjoyed this article too. It's always good to read a different type of article at origin time besides the same old Mitchell Pearce stuff. Interesting concept.

2017-05-22T05:18:02+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Definitely not...?

2017-05-22T05:17:12+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Surprisingly few howlers I think. I could live with Tupou being picked. He's never played better than at the moment although he still has a few clangers in him. It would be interesting to see how the bench looked if you went in with the highest ranked say two props, a backrower and a 'utility' as opposed to the four best benchies. But a really interesting article with an original premise. Good stuff.

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T04:05:20+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Hey ethan. Yeah, the bench wrecks it, doesn't it? I would be interested to see how genuinely picking on form worked out. In one respect it showed that, as you say, you wouldn't pick a whole squad that way. But could it be a consideration for positions up in the air (e.g. hooker) or identifying those players who may not be the flashiest but get the job done (e.g. Maclean)?

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T04:02:30+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Yeah, it did throw up a few howlers TB and the bench is the obvious area. If I went through again and picked best players not selected in the 17 under the system to fill the bench then names like Cordner would be there, with probably Pearce or Keary as the utility. Blair is an interesting one. Just thinking about it - who regularly wears the number 4 shirt who could be in with a shot for the Blues? This is why we constantly play someone out of position, or pick a player from a low-performing team. I agree, he's no shot... but who is?

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T03:58:53+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Hey Jara. Thanks for the feedback. In terms of rookies Josh Addo-Carr and Connor Watson were the two that were closest. The thing that surprised me was how many queenslanders were in the top sides. Or maybe it shouldn't have...

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T03:56:19+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Didn't work for you, BB? Fair enough. You go catch up on your nap - I'm not losing any of mine.

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T03:55:25+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


I reckon Maclean and McInnes have to be thereabouts. Especially McInnes. Fifita should be a shoe in, surely,

AUTHOR

2017-05-22T03:54:25+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


OB, it kills me as a Roosters fan but that's what the system threw up. So obviously the system is flawed, or applying the system so rigidly is flawed. I think if I did it again I'd scrap picking any bench players and just pick the really good ones who missed out on the bench.

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