A wild AFL should move to a conference system

By Wayne / Roar Guru

The wildcard idea in the AFL just refuses to die, and for the first time in my life, I am trying to get on board with the pesky conference system.

I believe 17-5 is a perfectly fine way of drawing up the fixture, and I see no reason to change it.

But if we are indeed going to go wild, here is how it should work.

I am adding a Round 24 to the season (and reducing the pre-season to two weeks) to make room. The system will be an 18-5 conference system, with a rivalry round played to ensure the showdowns and derbies happen every year regardless.

Conference Gold
Adelaide Crows, Brisbane Lions, Carlton, Essendon, Fremantle, Richmond.

Conference Obsidian
Collingwood, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, St Kilda, Sydney, West Coast.

Conference Platinum
Geelong, Gold Coast, Greater Western Sydney, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs.

The ‘rivalry round’ would consist of the state derbies, Essendon-Collingwood, St Kilda-Bulldogs, Carlton-Hawthorn, North Melbourne-Melbourne and Geelong-Richmond.

This can always be tweaked for the Victorian teams, but the match-ups need to be from different conferences to work.

The ladders (plural) would consist of the conference ladder and overall ladder. The finals series will remain eight teams, with no wildcard round affair, but qualification will be different.

First in the ladder of each conference will be in the qualifying finals, with the next highest ranking team (overall) taking the fourth position. The lowest ranking of the three qualifiers (overall) would be the away team, as per the current structure.

The remaining second placed teams from the conferences would have the hosting rights of the elimination final, with the remaining two spots taken by the highest ranking teams overall who are not already in the finals (expected to be seventh and eighth anyway, unless one conference is especially difficult).

This would allow teams to chase the P1 in the conference, or the automatic qualification routes leading into the finals, without teams falling away. This also prevents a team with a 40 per cent win rate striking form a week before finals and getting a ticket.

Overall, I have never been a fan of the conference system in the AFL, and this system isn’t even a true conference system. What I have attempted to do is ensure everyone is heading to Perth, Adelaide, Sydney and Queensland at least once and not punishing certain teams based on geography (like the Crows having to play in Perth twice, and not play Queensland teams twice).

Using this system, the final series would have looked something like this (omitting the double-up games being different)…

Qualifying finals: Sydney versus Hawthorn and Geelong versus Adelaide.

Elimination finals: West Coast versus Western Bulldogs and Richmond?! versus GWS Giants.

Richmond, from 13th, would have qualified for a home elimination final based on being second in Conference Gold. Essendon, Brisbane, Fremantle and Carlton would have all finished lower on the ladder. An abnormality in the fixturing.

North Melbourne also would have missed out on the finals with Geelong, GWS and Hawthorn all finishing above them.

It’s not a perfect system by any stretch, but it creates artificial excitement as the 13th best team can still play finals. Plus, an extra round of AFL football wouldn’t hurt, and the pesky pre-season can be shortened to make it happen.

But what are your thoughts, Roarers? I still subscribe to 17-5, but the AFL HQ boffins are thinking of changing it up for changes sake, so what are your thoughts?

The Crowd Says:

2017-05-25T00:58:02+00:00

Leonard

Guest


Googled 'Origins of American sports conferences and divisions' and got this Wikipedia link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_conference [No apologies for restating this, but] most references here to 'conference/s' really mean 'division/s', which in North American pro sports are regionally based, despite, mainly for historical reasons (link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Teams ), the occasional and decidedly odd allocation, such as the Dallas Cowboys being in the NFC East, and the Indianapolis Colts being in the AFC South. Very interesting cultural situation in top-tier US pro-sports: there is a long history of vigorous capitalist-style competition between and within individual sports, as shown by Cat above, but the internal day-to-day running of a League is almost 'socialist/ic' with tight central control over them with stuff like drafts & salary caps, and even more so in what owners can and cannot do in their sporting market. (Perhaps the Soviet Union would not have been such a social disaster and economic basket-case if the NFL Commission had been running it! Maybe the same could be said at the moment of our federation?) Which segues to the claim that the AFL's draft and salary cap are anti-competitive and restraints on trade: 95% rubbish, close to moronic in its ignorance. Its clubs are to the AFL what their departments are to David Jones, K-Mart and Myers: the market competition is externally between the stores (not internally among their departments), and in the Foot-Ball external or general market it is between the AFL, the NRL, Super Rugby and the A-League.

2017-05-24T22:47:06+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


Not what the idea is. What this is referring to is the way games are fixtured and is based on previous year's finishing position. You wont have byes, just on any given week some games will be 'in conference' while others will be 'cross conference'. There will always be the ANZAC Day and Eve, QB, Kick Off, Dreamtime, Derbies, etc etc, but sometimes those participants wont always have a rematch same season. But I don't think that's the end of the world. The rematches are frankly over rated, and don't always attract the same numbers second time round, SA showdowns & WA derbies aside. The odds are (under this system) that most seasons there will be at least one rematch of the SA or WA derbies however so any loss in dollar terms and ratings is minimized. That will be easily offset by a slightly longer season.

AUTHOR

2017-05-24T22:30:42+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


I agree too, but just with all the media coverage coming out of AFL HQ, they seem to be thinking about changing it. 17-5 works

AUTHOR

2017-05-24T22:29:45+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


Will be weighted to make sure that Showdown/Derbies are kept together, and mysteriously the Big 4 will always stay together. Plus 9 is bad number. For seeding, 1v8,2v7,3v6,4v5,9 Bye?

2017-05-24T20:45:49+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


Great idea, easily the best one yet !!!

2017-05-24T11:36:29+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Well the NBA is a merger of the BAA and NBL. They do have West/East conferences now, but not sure it started that way. So many teams moved, changed names, multiple teams played in multiple cities, it is hard to keep track.

2017-05-24T10:16:50+00:00

Mitcher

Guest


I may be misunderstanding, but does that apply with the 'East/West' conferences in the NBA?

2017-05-24T08:17:51+00:00

Leonard

Guest


Agree.

2017-05-24T07:46:44+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


because of the continental size of that nation before viable air travel
That is not how American conferences came to be at all. The American conferences started out as two competing leagues. American League and National League in baseball joined to form MLB. The AFL- NFL merger saw the formation of the AFC and NFC conferences (all AFL teams went in the AFC plus Pittsburg, Cleveland and Baltimore to balance it). American sports Conferences have always spanned the entire continental US. Divisions however are more regional (some more successful than others at grouping 'local' teams).

2017-05-24T07:29:59+00:00

Axle and the Guru

Guest


Leave it alone I say.

2017-05-24T07:22:42+00:00

Leonard

Guest


But are these groups really 'conferences', in the American sense, which, after all, is where they originated (because of the continental size of that nation before viable air travel)? And if we are going to adopt and adapt their arrangements, we should at least get the nomenclature right. They look more like 'divisions', that is, sub-groups within conferences. In my limited awareness, the only Australian top-tier club competition to gave run genuine conferences was the National Soccer League in the 1980s. Although not sure that a mere 18 clubs is enough for a realistic conference arrangement, here is how one might be arranged: ~ one conference would have the four SA + WA clubs, the other would have the four Qld + Syd clubs (an arrangement which reduces continent-wide travel); plus ~ one conference would have five Victorian clubs (including Geelong), and the other conference would have the other five Melbourne clubs (and if reckoned a good idea, Victorian clubs might be re-arranged, say, every four or five years); ~ Finals (yes, 'finals', NOT playoffs): two McIntyre VFL-style conference Final Fours > two conference title games (note: NOT conference GFs, nor 'Championships' - we have our own specific meaning for that word) > two conference winners + two conference runners-up; then, da-dah! ~ an AFL McIntyre Final Four comprising the two conference winners at 1 and 2 (doesn't really matter much) and the two conference runners-up at 3 and 4 (also doesn't really matter much). Draw some diagrams, and you'll find that there are three possible GF match-ups (note: NOT 'Superbowl', that's their term), with at least one of the conference winners in all three possibilities . . . . . One advantage is that this three x McIntyre Fours might deal with the main weakness of the NFL Superbowl, namely, that one conference might be far stronger than the other in any given season. Have fun trying it out on the AFL's final H&A ladders from 2012 to 2016.

2017-05-24T06:22:25+00:00

Ivan woods

Guest


No preseason, 2 sections of 9, you play each other twice and the other section once. Final 8. Sections are decided every year by odds and evens at the finish of the home and away. AFL will not like because they cannot manipulate the draw.

AUTHOR

2017-05-24T05:18:35+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/01/19/revised-attempt-afl-conference/

AUTHOR

2017-05-24T05:18:01+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


Funnily enough, I did propose a 'rotating' conference idea, I will see if I can find the link. It got hammered in the comments section

2017-05-24T04:41:33+00:00

Gr8rWeStr

Guest


While I completely agree that a grouped fixture system is the only way to significantly reduce the fixture scheduling inequity. To address longer term equity issues, it almost certainly needs to be rotating, rather fixed, groupings. The underlying inequity in the current fixturing method is the the final combined ladder may not, as much as possible, reflect the true ordering of teams, and finals are very much based on final ladder positions. The more bunched teams are the more likely fixturing has had an impact. As soon as you add a unique match to the schedule or return to a combined ladder to decide qualification/position, both if which this system does, you increase the inequity. I agree with 3 'conferences', but these should rotate each season so every team, at a minimum, plays every other team home and away twice over 3 years. I also agree with 4 ladders, the 3 'conference' ladder. The 4th table designed to address the main equity issue with the conferencing, strength imbalance between conferences, so the fourth ladder is the 'Conferences' Ladder where the combined performances of all teams for each conference are recorded for games against teams from other conferences. By default, the 'conference' on top of the conferences table get finals spots 1, 4 & 7, 2nd 2, 5, 8 & 3rd 3 & 6. Mathematicians can determine levels of differences that consitute a significant difference between conferences, and based on those calculations substantially stronger conferences can gain and substantially weaker conferences can lose finals spots. That's my thinking anyway. My working title for the system is 'Your Mob, Our Mob and the Other Mob', or 3 Mobs for short.

AUTHOR

2017-05-23T22:39:53+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


Go full 34 Round H&A season would solve that :)

AUTHOR

2017-05-23T22:38:36+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


Similar to existing 17-5, but AFL HQ don't seem to like that for whatever reason. Oh, and the rivalries... yeah I struggled with the Melbourne teams on that. Because I grouped the conferences first, then tried to work out the best way to make it work. In my draft, there were a few asterixs on that section

AUTHOR

2017-05-23T22:37:00+00:00

Wayne

Roar Guru


In that I agree. But with AFL HQ coming up with weird ideas, I figured might as well throw my 2 cents in. I am totally happy with Top 8

2017-05-23T22:36:56+00:00

me too

Roar Rookie


Look there's a very easy solution to all this mess without creating a bigger one. A simple rolling draw. The fairest system possible. But the AFL do 't want fair - they want revenue. Until they change priorities we won't have fairness in the 'draw'. As a sporting competition fans and clubs should insist on the precedence of equality, but as long as we're all divided and coming up with all kinds of different solutions, none of which the majority agree with, nothing will be done, except possibly the AFL using the disenchantment as to create an even more unfair and revenue raising system such as a top six split after round 17.

2017-05-23T22:18:36+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


Keep it as it is. If it ain't broke......

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