Melbourne vs Collingwood: Queen's Birthday Forecast

By Josh / Expert

Tenth-placed Melbourne host eleventh-placed Collingwood in the annual Queen’s Birthday game at the MCG today, with the winner certain to finish Round 12 inside the top eight.

The Dees and the Pies have a couple of things in common, particularly when it comes to the ability of their respective midfields to better their opposition.

Both have good numbers when it comes to winning the hard stuff. Melbourne average 3.4 more clearances and 6.8 more contested possessions than their opponents this year, Collingwood 4.6 and 6.5 in those same categories.

Both convert that into a positive inside 50 differential, but Collingwood do it better, averaging 8.7 more inside 50s than their opponents this year. Melbourne still average a healthy +5.4 inside 50s per game.

The numbers suggest this comes from Collingwood playing a more direct, higher-risk game with their ball movement, one that results in an average of three more clangers per game than their opponents – while Melbourne about break even there (-0.1).

Melbourne do a little better in the marks-inside-50 stakes, averaging +2.1 on their opponents compared to Collingwood’s +1.9, showing the value of taking the more considered approach.

The biggest difference between the two midfields however comes in terms of tackling pressure. Although both sides get more of the ball than their opponents, Melbourne average five more tackles than their opponents, while Collingwood average 5.5 less. The Dees lay about 1.4 more tackles per 100 opposition disposals than Collingwood.

Weighing it up, the battle of the midfields is close to even, though both have different strengths. The Magpies are better at willing the ball forward – albeit not always with precision – while Melbourne work harder when the opposition has the ball, and are classier going forward.

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However while these two sides may come close to breaking even in the midfield, it’s at the respective ends of the ground where there is a significant difference.

Melbourne essentially are squaring or slightly winning the battle between offence and defence.

They clear their opponent’s forward 50 at a rate of 67 per cent, and allow their opponents to do the same to them at a rate of 66 per cent. They record 1.78 points per inside 50, and concede 1.76.

Basically, their forward and back sixes are neither a strength nor a weakness – if they win in the middle they will generally win the game.

Collingwood, on the other hand, are very unbalanced here, and not in the good way.

They clear their opponent’s forward zone 64 per cent of the time, but allow their own to be cleared 71.5 per cent of the time – a -7.5 gap, as opposed to Melbourne’s +1.

Even when they are able to get scoring shots off, their accuracy kills them. 51.5 per cent of their scoring shots are goals, compared to Melbourne’s 62.3 per cent.

As a result they average only 1.56 points per inside 50 while conceding 1.8, and only score 21.7 points per 100 disposals, while conceding 23.28.

Of course, only so much can be gleaned from season averages, and for both of these sides, the personnel available – or not available – is crucial at the moment.

Melbourne are missing arguably their two most important players structurally in Jesse Hogan and Max Gawn. Collingwood are missing two of their most dynamic and creative players in Jamie Elliott and Daniel Wells.

The numbers suggest the Demons have dealt much better with those key absences than Collingwood have. Although they’d no doubt be a better side with Gawn and Hogan, their points differential with both players out is on part with their season average.

Not so Collingwood. Their season average points differential is +2 on their opponents, but in games where neither Elliott nor Wells take to the field, it is -14.

At the risk of oversimplifying things, I would say that Collingwood will need to better Melbourne’s midfield output by about 25 per cent in order to account for the combination of their deficiencies at either end of the ground and the absences of Elliott and Wells – do that, and they should be about 50/50 to win.

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The path to victory for Melbourne then is simple – prevent Collingwood from dominating in the midfield, and take advantage of their forward-line struggles.

Put tight clamps on Scott Pendlebury and Adam Treloar, use Michael Hibberd’s rebounding abiltiy to great effect, and keep Alex Fasolo – the player most likely to provide some forward-line dynamism for Collingwood – in close check.

For Collingwood, it’s a fair bit harder. Unless the forward line and defence miraculously improve overnight – and with key personnel missing it seems especially unlikely – they’ve just got to hammer Melbourne as hard as they can in the midfield and hope that sheer force of will and weight of forward entries delivers a win.

The Pies can hold out hope that Melbourne coming into this match off the bye allows them to get the jump on the Demons.

That said, they’ve got the bye themselves next week and it’s not uncommon for young sides to put in poor efforts when there’s a week off in site.

Play this match on endless repeat and I’d say Melbourne win roughly four out of five times, so I’ll tip them to get the job done, and by a margin of four goals.

That’s my Queen’s Birthday Forecast! What’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2017-06-12T09:53:39+00:00

Josh

Expert


Pies had the midfield dominance they needed in the first half, but couldn't sustain it - fair bit closer than I predicted though. Great game.

2017-06-12T06:14:28+00:00

Michaelj

Guest


The main game is the hypnotic advertising around the boundary. It's all over the world now.

2017-06-12T04:58:40+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


As a lifetime MCC member I've seen far more silverware than you over the years Ian. Enjoy your second place finish yet again today. Make sure you take a gander at the members stand and reflect that if only you'd been more judicious in choosing your parents you could have been up here with us.

2017-06-12T04:57:33+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Old enough for them to have witnessed the almighty towelling we gave you ruffians in the 1956 VFL grand final. I remember sitting in the stands with daddy watching the scuffles as Carringbush fans tried to break into the ground after they'd closed the gates - they'd have done well not to bother, a 20 point margin at half time became 73 points at full time. Ian Ridley gave Neil Mann such a good clout in a punch up it even made it onto the painting the Game that Made Australia

2017-06-12T04:50:24+00:00

Ian Morrison

Guest


Condescension becomes you I must observe. By the way, how aged are your aging eyes?

2017-06-12T04:44:23+00:00

Ian Morrison

Guest


Archie, to you, it is THE CARRINGBUSH, there is, has been, and always only will be ONE. Good luck mate and get the plum out of your gob before you choke.

2017-06-12T04:42:17+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


It's always been red and black to my aging eyes, and as the oldest football club in the land surely we have precedence. I find your bombers comment frankly ridiculous, the only time I've supported Essendon is in hangar fees to keep my plane out at the airport. Hecklers from the cheap seats are the lowest form of amusement. 3/10. Do better or slope off home old chap

2017-06-12T04:39:13+00:00

Knoxy

Guest


If we still had Elliot and Goldsack I would be pretty confident we would get the win. However with both those players out I think the Dees might be too good.

2017-06-12T04:27:14+00:00

Ian Morrison

Guest


"Hurrah the red and black". Colourblind or brain dead, one or the other. Or are you a closet Bomber supporter?

2017-06-12T04:13:49+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Victory for the Fuchsias, most assuredly. We are on the march to finals and Carringbush will not stand in our way. We have thrashed them in many grand finals over the years and with the approving eyes of the great Barassi watching on today we will humble them again

2017-06-12T04:12:36+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Poppycock sir, the mighty Fuchsias can still draw a crowd. The members stand will be packed and frankly that's all that matters. Hurrah the red and black! Down with Carringbush!

2017-06-12T04:05:46+00:00

Leonard

Guest


About another bloody 75 minutes before the game bloody-well starts! Wonder if anyone will start a hashtag something like this #AFLstartthe bloodygameyoumorons!

AUTHOR

2017-06-12T02:32:23+00:00

Josh

Expert


Collingwood haven't tripped the Dees up too recently so I feel some measure of confidence in them. Of course, now that I've said that we're all certainly doomed.

AUTHOR

2017-06-12T02:31:41+00:00

Josh

Expert


I agree, if the Dees are serious this is a game they can't afford to lose.

AUTHOR

2017-06-12T02:30:43+00:00

Josh

Expert


I shook my head at them then and I shake my head now - Champion Data do a lot of stuff right but they tend to overvalue offence.

2017-06-12T02:09:20+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


The one thing we won't get out of this game is another upset this round. This is a coin flip game and either side winning wouldn't be a surprise. Dees with no confidence.

2017-06-12T02:06:38+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Neither is Christmas a real birthday.

2017-06-12T01:58:35+00:00

Crowbot

Guest


In the context of the season I think this is a pretty big game for Melbourne, I think Collingwood are already in the just hanging in there catergory, a win for them now may mean that they make finals and make up the numbers or just miss out, a loss and their just hanging in there status is a little weaker. Melbourne if they win this week then front up against a dodgy Western next week and get the points, with the football they have shown they are capable of playing, can really push top four. Of course a couple of losses and those guys that put titles in front of their names can book their skiing holidays. Coming in with a 16 day break is not ideal, but I think if they hold a lead at quarter time they should put Collingwood to the sword. Melbourne 9 to 12 goal territory.

2017-06-12T01:39:51+00:00

Leonard

Guest


Ah, a winter's arvo at the MCG, Queens Birthday Monday holiday, old (but a bit faded) traditional rivals Pies v Dees - chance for AFL HQ to put "maximising attendances" into practice! But, wait - ball up at 3:20pm, halftime at about 4:30pm, the sharp winds of that "winter's arvo at the MCG" chilling the spectators in the second half. Yeah, "maximising attendances" my arse. Bloody stupid rostering. Message to potential spectators: you needn't bother 'coz we don't care.

2017-06-12T01:25:18+00:00

Grassy_Grounds

Roar Rookie


Your stats and comments about the two midfields definitely don't reflect Champion Data's pre-season rankings. Pies were rated the number 1 midfield and Dees 18th! On paper it certainly looks closer than that now. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out on the MCG versus everyone's paper/computers especially given Melbourne have only one out of five at their home ground this year.

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