Suburban grounds are not the answer

By Brendon Waldron / Roar Pro

It’s been pointed out a lot this week that crowds were much better during week one of the finals a year ago. It’s true. They were way better. They make last week’s crowds look absolutely pathetic. It was embarrassing as a fan to watch those games. It was just sad.

But is it a fair comparison? No. They were differnent teams in different places.

Last year’s finals kicked off with 43,170 fans at Suncorp Stadium. Not a sellout (don’t blame me, though, I was there) but still a great crowd.

The next day 25,592 turned up to GIO Stadium to watch the Raiders go down to the Sharks. They left disappointed, but they sold the place out and provided an excellent finals atmosphere.

Later that night, 21,233 fans strolled through the gates of AAMI Park to see a great game between the Storm and the Cowboys. That crowd number could have been better, maybe there was an AFL game that day, I don’t know.

But what I do know is we would have happily taken that number at Allianz on the weekend, as last year that’s also about what they got there the next day as 22,631 fans showed up to see the Panthers end the Bulldogs’ season.

That’s still a half empty stadium, but for a Penrith home game pretty far from Penrith, it’s not bad. It also helped that Canterbury happen to have a few fans.

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

The Broncos will match last year’s crowd if not improve on it on Friday (if it’s not a sellout, you can blame me as I can’t be there), the Storm almost sold the place out on Saturday for Cam Smith’s milestone game, just as they did for the preliminary final in week three last year.

The Raiders didn’t make it this far, but I’m sure they would have had a pretty full stadium doing that clap thing had the opportunity presented itself.

I’m hoping the novelty of the Eels playing finals football for the first time in years brings fans through the turnstiles at ANZ Stadium.

It probably won’t be enough to stop the place looking empty, but let’s play a hypothetical game where the Eels are playing this week’s game at their brand new stadium where it would be, I’d imagine the new Parra stadium would be on fire on Saturday.

So what does all this tell us?

Storm, Broncos, Raiders, Cowboys, Titans, Knights and Warriors are all one-town teams that would get to play finals in their home stadiums should they qualify (which is a long way off for some of those teams, but maybe one day…) and would all get pretty good to excellent crowds when doing so.

Roosters, Bulldogs, Rabbitohs and Eels are all the Sydney teams that get to have actual home finals at their home stadiums of Allianz or ANZ and, except for the Roosters, all would get a pretty decent crowd (It’s just a shame a decent sized crowd still looks pretty sad on TV at ANZ).

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

That leaves the Sea Eagles, Sharks, Dragons, Tigers and Panthers that all have to move their games.

As we’ve seen, the home team in their home stadium tends to sell a lot of tickets and the teams that have to move from their suburban ground have a hard time bringing their fans with them.

So the solution is obvious, right? Don’t make any teams move! Let them be a home team in their home ground that sells a lot of tickets! Surely that’s the answer!

The first group I mentioned are all one-town teams and have fan bases that reflect that fact (which I often see as an excuse, that it’s weird somehow and a league with this many teams in one city is normal, but I’m saving that for another article).

The Bulldogs are one of the most popular teams in the league, so are the Eels and Rabbitohs when they’re winning. Really it’s just the Roosters that have a proper stadium to themselves and nobody to fill it with (Seriously, where are they?).

As for the suburban teams, the Dragons do OK, and are part of the reason they moved finals away from suburban grounds when a large number of fans were locked out of a finals game.

But the reality is some teams just don’t draw. Teams like Manly and Cronulla, as we saw on the weekend. So why can’t those teams play at their home grounds?

Because they suck. They’re bad and they’re small. Professional football should be played in stadiums all season, but that goes double for finals. 15,000 People standing on a hill might look better to some than 15,000 people in a half empty stadium, but only one of those has the potential to increase.

And as we’ve seen, most of the teams that play in stadiums actually tend to fill them, at least when they’re playing well (not the Roosters, but most of them).

As impossible as it may seem, we need to build the teams up to that level, professional teams in professional stadiums, not have a league of two halves. A league where some teams play in Stadiums and some don’t. It’s been a bad look for the game for years now.

They don’t all need to be Suncorp, 1300 Smiles Stadium in Townsville also sucks. It really sucks. I’ve been there many times and it’s a hole. But it’s also the bare minimum for what a Suburban Stadium in the NRL should be and is lightyears ahead of some Sydney suburban grounds. It has seated stands on all four sides for a start. A bit too much hill for my liking, but it is what it is.

Sure, the Cowboys don’t really have any other choice for finals matches apart from taking them to Brisbane, but the NRL is still happy for them to play there.

So the answer is no, we can’t play finals at suburban grounds as it cheapens the product too much, but maybe a yes, if the place is good enough.

I don’t want the league to turn into the AFL, where all the Sydney teams play out of two stadiums and don’t have a home anymore. In a perfect world, all teams should be able to play their home finals at their actual home stadium but for that to happen we need to:

A) Build all the suburban grounds up to a point where calling it a ‘stadium’ is actually somewhat accurate, which is unlikely because the money isn’t there and/or they are in terrible locations to do that.

B) We get NFL level ruthless with our stadium policy and relocate teams to cities that have decent stadiums, which is also unlikely because that would require the NRL to actually take a risk.

None of those things are likely to happen anytime soon, so the game is probably going to continue on pretty much exactly the way it is for the near future.

Is it ideal? Hell no. Sure beats going backwards, though.

This is probably coming across as a little mean spirited and flies in face of the traditions of the game. “He hates the hill!” “He hates tradition!” “He hates the Roosters!” et cetera. But it’s true. Suburban grounds are for suburban footy. This is the National Rugby League. We have to stop trying to be both. Give me Friday night at Suncorp Stadium over Sunday afternoon at Leichhardt oval any day.

Those Roosters crowds, man…

The Crowd Says:

2017-09-15T01:50:03+00:00

Tom G

Guest


This is a very hard argument to counter. Particularly the "ditch teams" and lose fans part. Like you if my team gets the punt they'll lose me forever. The NRL plays favourites and preaches fairness and expects its long suffering fans to cop it sweet. They are clueless in the extreme.

2017-09-15T01:00:54+00:00

clipper

Guest


The SoO is one of the biggest sporting events in the country. Melbourne Cup and Australian Open are bigger for a start.

2017-09-15T00:56:35+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


The total of all the crowds of week one's finals 75,361, wouldn't of filled the Olympic stadium. That is how ridiculous it is to hold anything there and to a lesser extent at SFS. Improved and modernised local grounds are the answer, even having a stadium like SFS as a covered centre stadium that can cater for all wether conditions, like they have in Melbourne with Docklands Stadium, could be the answer. Anything is better than the shameful media images that we have of the NRL crowds, especially now that its 'Finals Time'!!!

2017-09-15T00:44:06+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


'no one in particular' then the NRL should have 26 rounds of SOO and be done with it, as these 3 bottlenecks of SOO mid season are killing the NRL comp (as I've been saying for years) and it will make the NRL comp what it is today 'meaningless' with crowds diminishing 'year by year'. Perfect recipe for a slow death of the NRL com and that is irrespective of the great football that the NRL comp dishes out, week in week out!!!

2017-09-14T22:57:16+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Purely speculative. Why then do teams fight so hard to play a home final? It clearly makes no difference where a team plays in your model. There are well known fortresses in the league that get teams over the line week-in week-out. You are kidding yourself if you think Shark Park and Allianz Stadium represent(ed) the same mental proposition for the Cowboys.

2017-09-14T17:21:19+00:00

Jeff Morris

Guest


Good points about the NFL. If anything the NRL would have more in common with NCAA football. American universities play in a wide mix of stadia, most located on or near their campus and certainly their local community. Some play in massive 100,000 seat monster stadiums, while others play in a wide range of stadiums from sharing with NFL teams to small, old school on campus venues. Not one size fits all by any means, and the NCAA is huge both in large cities like Los Angeles, which has multiple teams, to small, almost rural places like Lincoln Nebraska, and everywhere in between. The point is, a mix of different types of venues can and does work for them.

2017-09-14T15:33:48+00:00

realist

Guest


If teams earn the right to a home game then why are they forced to play at a neutral venue???? If that's the case then play all games at the SFS & ANZ! The NRL is a farce & always have been. People are calling for teams like Manly, Sharks etc. to be punted...........well if my team was relocated I can truthfully say I'd follow the AFL. So many people I know are already disillusioned with rugby league & i'm pretty sure the NRL is the cause.

2017-09-14T15:27:43+00:00

realist

Guest


Yeah lets ditch all teams we don't like..............ditch any of the Sydney teams & you watch how the NRL: will go downhill!

2017-09-14T12:05:07+00:00

AR

Guest


See also: AFL clubs in Sydney, Perth, Adelaide...

2017-09-14T10:09:42+00:00

Marco

Guest


Don't agree. If its a home final, then they should get to play it at home. I reckon if a team earns a home final but is forced to move it, then in compensation they should get 6 points start. And if they are forced to move it to a ground that is the home of their opponent, then it should be 12 points start. That would be a bit fairer.

2017-09-14T09:33:32+00:00

Fix the scrums

Guest


Bit sad when articles in the press from Fox sports and the Telegraph start begging for people to turn up. This is embarrassing stuff. The quality of the games are good. Retreating to the suburbs when they are planning new stadiums would be a tough decision. Almost like giving up. Seeing all that vision all week of packed huge AFL stadiums vs empty NRL stadiums just won't go away. I guess it's a discussion that needs to be had but no one has a solution other than a short term fix of giving out cheap and free tickets. The big media players are national and seem to be giving the AFL the big wraps as it is overall the top winter sport in Australia. The Sydney media are holding out so far and are supporting league. But if we get a few more years of ordinary crowds and ratings , the pressure will be on them to give more AFL coverage. The NRL better get its act together and fast. The money may not be there in a few years.

2017-09-14T08:46:39+00:00

no one in particular

Roar Guru


SOO is the biggest sporting event in the country. It will not and should not go anywhere

2017-09-14T08:41:13+00:00

Slane

Guest


Ricmond vs Geelong last Friday. Geelong were the 'Home' team. Played at the MCG in front of 95,000 people of which 75-80% were Richmond fans. The Tigers fans and players wanted the win more.

2017-09-14T08:32:04+00:00

peeeko

Guest


B) We get NFL level ruthless with our stadium policy and relocate teams to cities that have decent stadiums, which is also unlikely because that would require the NRL to actually take a risk difference is that all these cities have a tonne of NFL fans, the alternatives in australia do not have NRL fans

2017-09-14T08:30:41+00:00

peeeko

Guest


how well do you think cowboys and storm crowds be if they have bad years?

2017-09-14T08:29:47+00:00

peeeko

Guest


it also depends who they are playing. penrith are 60km away from allianz and the cowboys would have provided less than 500 fans.

2017-09-14T07:44:03+00:00

no one in particular

Roar Guru


Yeh, get NFL ruthless. They are ecstatic with their crowds http://thebiglead.com/2017/09/13/the-nfl-is-seriously-concerned-with-empty-stadiums/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59ba024c04d301183cef2ecc&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter I suppose the NFL should be looking to the AFL

2017-09-14T07:28:52+00:00

Sydneysider

Guest


Works well for AFL in Melbourne, doesn't work for NRL clubs in Sydney. That's what I'm saying and it shows in the crowds at the SFS and Homebush. Sydney is a different city to Melbourne.

2017-09-14T07:16:41+00:00

Tom G

Guest


I wouldn't say that the home crowd would've gotten any team a win. That as you say is speculative but the crowd size isn't. Fans deserve more respect than being told by he governing body that for no logical or commercial reason they have to travel for a couple of hours each way to attend what for others is a home game. It is purely a case of applying the same rules for all. Until the NRL can stop applying uneven rules the they will never be seen to be fair and reasonable managers. No matter how much spin they can generate from tame media.

2017-09-14T07:07:39+00:00

Chris Wright

Guest


Actually No. The new TV agreement has enough money in it for the NRL to annually hand out $20milion to lets say the premiers for ground improvements. FYI the new Western Stand at Win Stadium Wollongong came in at a cost of $20million. So lets say that was in this year Cronulla could be building a 6,000 seat stand right now.

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