The results are in! Yesterday, we asked you to rate the Wallabies side that took to the field against Argentina, and now we’ve added up the data from all of our responders to bring your our DIY player ratings from the Test.
With the Wallabies claiming their first win of the Rugby Championship it’s no surprise that numbers looked pretty good across the board, with most of the starting lineup rating in the sixes and sevens.
Israel Folau was voted out best on ground with an average rating of 7.39, no surprise given he scored two tries.
However Ned Hanigan can consider himself officially installed as the nation’s new whipping boy in the absence of Stephen Moore, copping an average rating of just 3.60 – the worst of any player in the team by some margin.
Check out the full results below, and let us know what you think in the comments.
1. Scott Sio
Average rating: 6.25
Most common rating: 6 (40 per cent)
2. Tatafu Polota-Nau
Average rating: 6.49
Most common rating: 7 (36 per cent)
3. Sekope Kepu
Average rating: 6.99
Most common rating: 8 (39 per cent)
4. Rob Simmons
Average rating: 5.54
Most common rating: 6 (37 per cent)
5. Adam Coleman
Average rating: 6.36
Most common rating: 7 (32 per cent)
6. Ned Hanigan
Average rating: 3.60
Most common rating: 4 (27 per cent)
7. Michael Hooper
Average rating: 6.27
Most common rating: 7 (29 per cent)
8. Sean McMahon
Average rating: 6.62
Most common rating: 8 (30 per cent)
9. Will Genia
Average rating: 6.32
Most common rating: 7 (35 per cent)
10. Bernard Foley
Average rating: 5.86
Most common rating: 7 (29 per cent)
11. Reece Hodge
Average rating: 6.38
Most common rating: 6 (46 per cent)
12. Kurtley Beale
Average rating: 6.09
Most common rating: 5 (30 per cent)
13. Tevita Kuridrani
Average rating: 5.99
Most common rating: 7 (33 per cent)
14. Henry Speight
Average rating: 4.98
Most common rating: 5 (30 per cent)
15. Israel Folau
Average rating: 7.39
Most common rating: 7 (31 per cent)
16. Jordan Uelese
Average rating: 6.21
Most common rating: 7 (35 per cent)
17. Tom Robertson
Average rating: 4.25
Most common rating: 5 (31 per cent)
18. Allan Alaalatoa
Average rating: 5.19
Most common rating: 5 (39 per cent)
19. Izack Rodda
Average rating: 5.17
Most common rating: 6 (33 per cent)
20. Jack Dempsey
Average rating: 5.03
Most common rating: 6 (33 per cent)
21. Nick Phipps
Average rating: 5.12
Most common rating: 6 (37 per cent)
22. Samu Kerevi
Average rating: 5.02
Most common rating: 5 (32 per cent)
23. Marika Koroibete
Average rating: 5.53
Most common rating: 6 (37 per cent)
JohnB
Guest
I read a newspaper article under Greg Norman's name years ago where he was giving advice to weekend players (incidentally, I assume he didn't actually write the piece). The advice related to not under-clubbing. To do that, you needed to work out how far you really hit each of your various clubs. Good sound advice so far. So, to work out your real distances, hit with each club 10 times. If 6 times out of the 10 you hit your 7 iron 140 metres, but you miss-hit it the other 4 times, and it then only goes 70 metres, on average you hit the 7 iron 112 metres. Therefore you should only use your 7 iron if you're trying to hit the ball around 112 metres (I don't recall the actual numbers used in the article, but this accurately reflects the gist of the advice). Mathematically impeccable. The minor issue is that you don't ever actually hit the ball 112 metres, so following the advice means you'll only ever be close with the odd unusual miss-hit.
tsuru
Roar Rookie
My favourite example of the possible misleading nature of "average" was in a "Miss Peach" comic strip: The teacher asks Ira about his bathing habits as she is concerned about his hygiene. He replies that he averages one bath every day. The teacher asks "Oh, every day before school?" Ira replies "No, I have 30 baths on the first day of the month." As somebody said above it helps to have more than one "measure of central tendency." Although in the case of McMahon here, all 3 seem to be needed - mean, mode and median.
JohnB
Guest
Stuart, 35 years makes you more up to date than me (plus "studied" is probably a rather generous description of my approach at the time). The Olympic gymnastics style scoring system you propose has plenty of merit (and to me using the mode in this context is also informative, for similar reasons).
Stuart Bywater
Guest
Hi John, I studied stats 35 years ago so have forgotten most ...i think eliminating the ridiculously high and outrageously low scores would help. I try to explain how the outliers can be eliminated in a comment that appears below but probably muddied the waters.
Stuart Bywater
Guest
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Perhaps we need to use the average of the range of scores between the 10 and 90 percentiles. Ditch the bottom 10% and top 10% of scores to removing outlying scores that distort the veracity of the data. I expect that the middle 80% range of scores will be distributed across 4 or 5 marks, significantly reducing the standard deviation.
JohnB
Guest
Median (that is, the middle number in a sequence of numbers) rather than medium? Mean is the average, mode is the most commonly occurring. Each can be subject to distortion so it is worthwhile to list more than one of them.
PiratesRugby
Guest
Foley was a turnstile but defence is not important, I guess. His passing was inferior to both Beale and Genia. Isn't the 10 supposed to have the best pass? Someone will have to explain the whole Foley thing to me. Maybe some of the same people who used to explain why Phipps was better than Genia or why Skelton was going to bring impact to our forward pack? We are so far behind NZ it is no longer even funny. The only real competition the ABs have is England.
BuffaloTheorist
Roar Rookie
Agree on Foley. Seems Simmons was also scored on recent reputation rather than performance on the night.
Markus
Guest
With Isa Naisarani and Rob Valetini both going gangbusters in the NRC this season, hopefully there will be no further need to play locks in the back row or to field dual non-breakdown opensides in the starting XV.
PeterK
Roar Guru
only looking at changing the backrow for the spring tour, may only be the game against japan
ThugbyFan
Guest
Fionn, spot on there. TK has come back to BEAST mode since his return to the WB fold. I think being dropped for S.Kerevi in the 1st Bled did him a favour, brought back some of that hunger. I also like Reece Hodge, the bloke is a pretty classy player but doesn't seem to have the short field kicking nous nor good accurate passing on both sides to play as a #12, so its winger and/or fill-in fb for the man.
ThugbyFan
Guest
Am amazed that people gave S.McMahon an 8. I guess people saw him running around against tired Puma players in the last 20 minutes and thinking "wow how good is he?" while forgetting apart from a couple of plays he was totally outplayed by the Puma #8 in the first 60 minutes. He was a mile better than Hanigan in that period but neither of them were much chop in that first 60 minutes. Personally I gave Hanigan a 4 and McMahon a 6 (6½ if they had them). Interesting to hear M.Cheika talking of L.Tui or Adam Korczyk as a blindside flanker. http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2017/09/16/wallabies-argentina-mcmahon-backrow Cheika says Tui's future may be in the backrow. Personally I would put L.Tui at #8 but I am not the WB coach so know bugger all.
marto
Guest
A little generous on Hanigan..He deserved a 2.5 at best..
PeterK
Roar Guru
I would add medium as maybe even more indicative than mode. There are normally a lot of close scores say 6, or 7 and a minor difference in vote between the 2 and medium places value in the number below and above those values which provides more context without the distortion of averages
PeterK
Roar Guru
it is never black and white depends, where the most common rating is a low percentage like 25% no, where its high like 40% plus then yes. It is only an issue when they are further apart like Kepu, McMahon, Foley, Beale,TK. I general for backs and loosies I think the lower of the 2 values is more indicative due to bias towards flashy play, for tightforwards the higher of the 2 values. Exceptions though for targeted players like Foley Doesn't make it any clearer, simplest isn't right though easiest to digest and perhaps relate to.
ajg
Guest
differentiating between the mean (average as all scores divided by number of scores) and the mode (average as most common score) would be interesting
Fionn
Guest
I was happy with Hodge and TK. TK knocking that bloke (was it Landajo or Sanchez?) out for a couple of minutes when running into him was a real highlight from my close seat.
PeterK
Roar Guru
on the otherside Foley IMO has copped an over reaction to the man of the match disagreement. IMO he was the second best back behind Folau yet unfairly rates only ahead of Speight on averages, yet the most common vote was a 7
Fionn
Guest
So you reckon most common rating is more important than the aggregate rating?
PeterK
Roar Guru
kepu got 39% an 8 where McMahon only 30%