Reds set to sack Nick Stiles in favour of Brad Thorn

They don't have enough money for a top coach. Still paying out Connelly, and probably Stiles now as well.

Thorn will go well. He has played under Deans, Henry, Hansen, Smith, Mitchell, Bennett. He would know more than most have forgotten.

I can almost guarantee that most of that crowd come October 21 will be wearing black... Crowds weren't too bad in Mooney's years... but not as good as under McKenzie... hard to say which came first... could Mooney have had the success and the crowds? Maybe... maybe not. Do you attempt to obtain a good coach that will cost money, or try to find a diamond that is as yet untapped? It's fools gold to think you can spend nothing on a coach, and get good results. What do poor results cost?

i am looking forward to see how he goes.. i think he could do a great job.. here is hoping!

Hi TWAS, The talk on the Roar was that you went underground when Bill Pulver faced the Senate enquiry.Glad to see you are still around. Actually the Waratahs also made a profit in 2016,Roger Davis was proud to announce. But I fear for them next year in particular. Of 5 Waratah 2017 members i have spoken to, only one is renewing their membership for 2018.They were hesitant to announce their crowds this year at the SFS,don't think many were more than 12,000. Suncorp this year also seemed sparsely populated on most occasions.What was the average Suncorp crowd? And of course the Test Crowds this year are down by 83,000 overall,so far this year.You told me that there is a further Bledisloe Cup game in October ,this year being played at Suncorp.A large crowd, which they should get, may stave off insolvency for the ARU in 2017. Math Day Down, Sponsorship down Broadcasting Rights, constant.A tough year..

Well it was on the back of McKenzie. The crowds were dismal in Mooney's 2 years. But also a factor was the success was new after a decade of dismal failure. Would it have just maintained without ultimate success (titles) in a competitive market? Would occasional finals and continued top half results have ensured we maintained that? Whilst Graham was a poor coach they attempted to manage a transition well essentially investing in 2 head coaches for 2013. And we will never win a battle over $$$ to keep players and coaches in Australia.

Look at the money the Reds had when they started this terrible decline through stupidity... They has massive memberships, massive sponsorships, massive crowds etc. That was on the back of Mooney and McKenzie. Then they decided to hire Graham for no good reason, and it all declined very rapidly. There is a difference between going broke chasing success and actively seeking mediocrity because you want to keep some money... To keep hiring untried coaches, thinking they will give you top ladder success is basically firing shots in the darkness... over and over and over again... How much money will they have at the end of that process?

yeah sorry... just realized then who I wrote down...

Not really. How many of the loosing bonus point games were they lucky to get the bonus points? How many of their wins were lucky or narrow? How many unlucky losses did everyone else have? How many more games would they have lost if they'd had their fair share of injuries? Maybe after all that analysis, applied across all teams, the Reds have a few more in the "moral victories" column. Or we could just accept the fact that 4 wins from a side mostly comprised of recent, current, should-be and soon-to-be Wallabies (and H Tui) was not nearly good enough.

Not really. If the Reds won their losing bonus point games they would have won another 4 games for 8 wins. The Force would have won another 1 game for 7 wins. Only the Brumbies had more losing bonus points, or wins+LBs. Not everybody pushed teams and came close to winning their losses. They are still losses but shows they weren't just making up the numbers.

No its not. It's a practical limitation. You can't go broke chasing success because you may not achieve it. Look at the Waratahs. Their 2014 championship season only saw them turn a profit because it gave them 2 lucrative home finals. Without the extra games they would have lost money on their best season ever. Meaning they had to finish top of the ladder to turn their profit. It's a low percentage play.

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I reckon Thorn will do ok as head coach. He comes across as the sort of bloke the players will step up for, a true legand of the game who they will be keen to impress. It will be interesting at least.

Whoever they sign, it needs to be for a ONE-YEAR CONTRACT only (with, maybe, the provision for both parties to sign, or not, for a second year). The QRU cannot afford to keep paying out unexpired contracts -- because of their very poor appointments in the past !!

Whoever they sign, it needs to be for a ONE-YEAR CONTRACT only (with, maybe, the provision for both parties to sign, or not, for a second year). The QRU cannot afford to keep paying out unexpired contracts -- because of their very poor appointments in the past !!

exactly just more jobs for qlders. Look for genuine proven talent world wide and hire it.

exactly, surely hire an experienced head coach with a good record Imagine they could have gotten Verner Cotter if they moved quickly

Michael Voss.

Stiles a good bloke SH coach they should picked O'Connor Bach then . Thorn doesn't have a CV but is a success man he will kick some arses and they will improve .

Its false economy tho Twas...A better coach brings results and results bring sponsors and crowds...which of course is money.