Carlton conquer impotent Pies in 2018 AFLW opener

A better effort than the belting we received last year and whoever played on Vescio kept her quiet which was good. But we still have a long way to go, but Molloy looks like a decent player.

Sorry should be talking AFLW .

Take your points Rick, watching from a high elevatored seat last few years Freo's biggest problem is clearing the ball out of defence, Ross clearly has a brilliant footy brain ,maybe the players have not,but he is not getting it done.Surely try Fyfe one out at CHF he will not be beaten.Way to defencive time is running out for him.

Well, personally, I think he'd be wise to do at least a 5-year apprenticeship at West Coast. There are three exceptionally well run clubs in the AFL: Geelong, Hawthorn and West Coast. It's no coincidence they're the three most successful clubs in AFL history either. He'll have close to 20 years experience at two of those clubs by then. If Freo poaches him they'll be doing well. Saying that I still believe Rossy is the man, despite your views of him. I'm tipping your boys returning to the 8 this year under him. He just needs to transition faster on the turnover. This is key for me and something Rosco struggles with due to his defensive mindset. Apart from this, I believe he too has an exceptional football brain. We'll see what a lot of coaches are made of this year I suspect, especially Buckley, Bolton, and Beverage — all for different reasons.

It was a top call by Johnson, agree on Mitchell hope he loves the West and stays and coaches Freo. Do you really think it will be 5-10 years ?

@Jon I enjoy King to some extent, but he's a genius in hindsight man. To be honest, the guy who can critically think the best on Foxsport is Brad Johnson. He doesn't always bother with the stats and just uses is own tactical nouse. I really like his expert insights as a game unfolds along with future predictions. Boy did he get it right with Fremantle two years ago. He believed they'd drop out of the eight after just winning the minor premiership. Not only this, but he felt their game style and personnel would have them drop close to the bottom. Everyone thought he was mad, but he gave good logical reasoning for this and it's proved to be spot on. I'm really looking forward to Sam Mitchell also in the coming years. I hope Geelong keep an eye on him at West Coast because he's got the smartest football brain I've ever seen. The way he also conducts himself off-field is exceptional. I believe he'll make an excellent senior coach in 5-10 years time.

I Think that is a pretty harsh call on David King he probably does not want to coach but i do not think you or me are qualified to make that call.

AD There are so many pathways into medicine that it's hard to really answer your question. Academically it's hard, but that doesn't necessarily equate to being smart. There's a lot of rote learning. On the age thing, it's a mixed bag. You'd be surprised at the number of students who have done other degrees before entering medicine. In my first year, I think it was something like 36 percent. In regards to your comments further up. Buy the AFL Prospectus guide. It's a great source of information that can help you gain a better understanding of certain game plans and why they have occured. Look to other sports too. Football is probably the best. AFL coaches are usually a few years behind on field position tactics and often look to football for modern trends. Alistair Clarkson is on the record as a student of other sports to acquire knowledge. I have no doubt he studied Barcelona under Pep Guardiola when devising his precision kicking game style and chaos theory. I even wrote an article a few years ago outlining his tactics before it became mainstream knowledge. Many predicted they'd get torched in the 2014 GF by the Swans, but not me. It's all there in black and white. Where do you think I got this theory from? I studied other tactics from other sports, applied my own knowledge of the game and formed my own conclusion and opinion — something David King can't do. He'll never become a coach because of this very fact. Hope that helps.

Damn. Rick, you really know your stuff! You love arguing over the technicalities, don't you? Somewhat off-topic question (sorry!), but was it hard to get into medicine after already completing some degrees? It just seems to be a degree fulfilled with young(ish) people these days. I was in and out of the RAH's emergency dep. last week with a family member and most of the docs + specialists were so, so young.

"Force was applied after contact. It was a push not a kick." You really have no idea what you're talking about. Newton's Second Law explains how the velocity of an object changes when it is subjected to an external force. If a force is applied *after* contact then how was the subject's (Sarah Hosking) velocity and direction changed? I'm really trying to be respectful in this conversation, but you're making it hard. Let me help you out and make an argument for you. Rick, the Oxford Dictionary definition of a push states: Exert force on (someone or something) in order to move them away from oneself. Therefore, a kick or punch is always a push since the target object (or part of the object being hit) will always move (even if it's only nanometres) away from the entity applying the external force. However, a push is not always a kick or punch. In this instance, a force was applied in the form of a kicking action. However, upon contact of D'Arcy's boot with Hosking's groin, a force was applied at contact. This force was applied over a relatively long period (***not after - this is very important***) compared to a kick. Not only this, but the force accelerated over a longer period and towards the end of the kicking action compared to a snapping kick or punch where the force is distributed over a smaller time period. For instance: a Teep is a push-kick in Muay Thai. Its purpose is to not cause damage but to push an opponent back to gain range. As you can see by the translation, Teep means push-kick. Darcy was performing something similar to this. She had no intention of hurting Hostking, rather she wanted her out of her space and performed a Teep on her. As the name suggests, it's a push-kick, not just a kick. My justification of it being more of a push is therefore warranted in this instance. You can take that Masters you have in Biomechanics, Bachelor of Physiotherapy and 4 years of Medicine and stick it up your backside. Of course, I would have been able to argue against this in any number of ways, Dalgety, but at least you would have stood a chance in this argument. My White Knight comment is particularly relevant to you. You're also a serial stalker on this site at times. Rarely do you make your own comments, preferring to pass judgment on others. I'd prefer you to come up with your own ideas and allow others to critique you. You're a smart guy — I'd prefer to actually talk some footy tactics with you sometime.

Dalgety sees a push to the stomach, Hosking (the victim) felt a kick to the groin - but clearly Dalgety is correct but will nobly agree to disagree!

Force was applied after contact. It was a push not a kick. "Kick" is more sensationalistic and given the way media and Internet work, sensationalism wins. It's not really an accusation, it's just the way things are. The MRP probably can't charge someone for pushing the stomach and "kick" would give them the leeway to dole out a suitable penalty. It is more than reasonable to debate the issue on the kick/push categorisation though. Also happy to agree to disagree, it's no biggy. The "White Knight" thing was like a reply to a post you either imagined or wanted to see, not what I wrote. Most of what you've posted about it since seems to be about covering your tracks and pride.

Scratch my comment. I thought I heard a commentator on Friday night say you couldn't kick it off the ground in the AFLW. After watching the Brisbane game though I can tell I was mistaken. The ball was kicked off the ground on numerous occasions without the whistle being blown. And often it was effective in clearing the ball from congestion.

Umpiring very biased and poor Free kick first goal Push in the back , second one Then you've got the standing in the goal square delaying a quick. Return after a point ( 2 times both 50s not paid) couple of frees there for mo ( 2) there's the game Good to see nothing's changed

@Dalgety I justify it because you use the word 'definitely' in your opening paragraph. I'm not saying you don't push anything with your foot either (read what I said again). I'm simply saying, *in your example*, it wouldn't be classified as this, rather a kick to a majority of people including experts in this field. The AFL agrees with me here along with the commenter who called it as he saw it i.e a kick. It's relevant because you use this to justify your 'sensationalistic' comment in your proceeding paragraph as if it is a definitive statement. It's not. If a majority saw it as a push (which they don't) and it was reported as a kick then you'd have an argument. Now I've offered more than enough reason as to why you're wrong. If you want to talk about irony, well just read your own words: 'You address nothing directly relevant, but skirt around and try more ad hominem gimmicks.' Instead of accusing me, the AFL, the commenter, the media and the rest of the world for being click-bait enthusiasts; perhaps you can better explain to us the mechanics behind it with your vast knowledge in this field and why you're so *definitely* right and we're so *definitely* wrong? Perhaps then you'll be able to justify this as sensationalism better because as of now, you haven't.

Dalgety - how about I strap on a football boot and replicate D'arcy's actions on you and the we can split hairs on whether it was a push or a kick. the vitictim herself said it hurt and will definitely leave a bruise, how many times have you been pushed and described it like that? I find it hilarious that you can spend so much time debating this point and still try to claim the moral high ground.

As per usual on these articles your problem is that you don't understand the meaning of the words you are using. 'Elite' means 'the best of the best'. The very top players. Are you going to argue that there are better female Australian Rules players out there?? The reason that most of the women playing in the AFLW have only been playing football for a short amount of time is because of people like yourself constantly telling women they can't play football. Most of us who grew up kicking the football have had more training sessions, more practice and more gametime than these women. How will the standard improve? By getting rid of the ridiculous stigma that girls can't play footy. We will have a generation of women coming through in 10-15 years time who have never known a world where women cant play footy. They will grow up kicking the Sherrin just like you did.

Again parlour lightweight tricks Rick. How do you justify you post immediately after my initial post exactly? You address nothing directly relevant, but skirt around and try more ad hominem gimmicks ("an uneducated/educated person") ploys or try to hide behind words like "credentials" and over classifying abstractions like "closed chain kick". Are you really arguing you don't push something with your foot? Are you saying that force after contact isn't more a push than a kick. Think about it,seriously. Discussions are much more satisfying where you address things directly and avoid game playing, after all who are you... Macca?

What a dismal scoreline and a boring match. Far less interesting than most suburban footy. Whether it's a smaller ground or more players, if the AFL are going to keep their name on this stuff they need to find a way to make it less, well, crap.

@Rick Fair enough. Also, I'm well and truly aware about that perception you hold of me. Most seem to hold that, and I despise it. I honestly tend to resort to critiquing because I occasionally feel out of depth on the forum. I'm don't feel knowledgeable to partake in proper footy analysis, so I move to arguing. It's bad, I know. I'm going to make an effort to change it.