Kiss your semis goodbye

By Joe Frost / Editor

It’s funny how quickly we are ready to write off an NRL team’s chances of winning the premiership.

It was some time around Round 4 that people started saying “Parramatta need to win this week or they can kiss their semi-final hopes goodbye.”

The Eels proceded to lose that game, against the Tigers, so what did we read the following week, when they were set to line up against the Panthers?

“Parramatta need to win this week or they can kiss their semi-final hopes goodbye.”

That they lost to Penrith would surely mean the following week we could just start saying that Parra’s season was over, but as the men in blue and gold geared up to face the Raiders the following week, what did we read all over again?

“Parramatta need to win this week or they can kiss their semi-final hopes goodbye.”

By the time we got to Round 8, it had been a month of the Eels playing do-or-die footy, except every time they didn’t, for some reason they still weren’t dead.

So when they finally notched up win number one of the year – a 24-22 victory over the Tigers – there was no talk of it being a consolation prize for their season or their first step in trying to avoid the wooden spoon.

No, that win was a glimmer of hope for their top-eight chances.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Look, 25 rounds makes for a long season and there is a need to frame each match in the broader narrative of what it will mean come September, so it’s fair enough that we talk finals footy after the full-time siren has sounded on a match in March.

But it does get a bit broken record-ish when the same long-term outcome is predicted after each loss, conveniently wiping that exact same prophecy from last week’s assessment.

Before the start of this weekend’s action, all 16 teams had completed their byes for the year and were left with eight weeks of full rounds until the finals.

Last year, the fewest amount of points needed to make the eight was 30, however, 27 got the Gold Coast in for 2016, and in the three years prior to that 28 was the cut-off.

So let’s work off a cut-off of 28 points required to make the semis.

That means that even if Jarryd Hayne recaptures his 2009 form and the Eels go on a barnstorming run to finish the year, they are still no hope of featuring in the playoffs – their current ten points on the ladder means a perfect finish still leaves them shy of the necessary points.

Likewise, the Bulldogs and Cowboys are each on ten points before this week’s matches, while the Sea Eagles are on 12, meaning a perfect run to close out proceedings would still leave them all short of where they need to be.

So now we get mathematical…

The Knights played a four-point game yesterday against the Gold Coast, with the losing team’s finals hopes extinguished. Newcastle managed a come-from-behind win to ensure Garth Brennan’s boys can book a holiday for the first week of September now.

So the Knights, moving to 18 points, technically need five from six, which sounds like a possibility – especially with Mitchell Pearce back pulling the strings and Kalyn Ponga returning next week.

(Photo by Tony Feder/Getty Images)

This Novocastrian is holding out hope (you can all shut up).

But the problem for my desperate, ridiculous hope the Knights are going to play finals footy is that the ninth-placed Tigers and tenth-placed Raiders are on 20 and 18 points, respectively.

And those are two teams in some seriously scary touch.

Canberra lost to a better team, the Sharks, on Friday night, but a sketchy situation with a touch judge could have seen Ricky Stuart’s boys get the chocolates.

And the Tigers? Bloody hell, they smoked the ladder-leading Bunnies last night, reminding us all of how good Ivan Cleary’s side truly are.

You’d almost say either of the Raiders or Tigers were decent chances of overhauling whoever was in eighth place and play finals footy.

Except said eighth-placed team are the Broncos, who gave the Panthers a ‘you can’t win the comp’ beating this week.

Ahh… bummer.

Sorry every team outside the top eight, but you can kiss your semis goodbye.

The Crowd Says:

2018-07-23T03:20:15+00:00

Griffo

Guest


I was thinking this for a while, Luke and ut I wondered if I had missed something, like every team getting 2 points for rep round. Looks like this year will be a higher cutoff for wins though. I always dound it interesting that 12 wins from 24 games has been considered the traditional cutoff. For a long time when the AFL was a 16 team competition 12 wins from 22 was generally the benchmark. I could never understand why those two extra games would seemingly not count for much.

2018-07-22T09:51:14+00:00

Marc

Guest


Has been so for some years now.

2018-07-22T06:24:50+00:00

Davico

Roar Pro


Tigers have Dragons and Souths "who they should lose to" and have beaten back to back the last 2 rounds!

2018-07-22T05:40:30+00:00

SteveSyd

Guest


Do the refs have anything to do with it after their match winning performance for the sombreros last week?

2018-07-22T03:06:03+00:00

eagleJack

Roar Guru


That’s why I wear thongs!

2018-07-22T02:35:54+00:00

Birdy

Guest


If sports fans had the gift of logic, sport would end tomorrow. Go the Tigers. 1 game at a time.

2018-07-22T02:18:31+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


I would say thee is five teams that should look to next year. And two who if they lose next week might also be just about done, particularly if the Panthers, Warriors and Broncos win.

2018-07-22T02:13:09+00:00

Brian

Guest


As a corollary, the Broncos may be 8th, but are one win off the top 4. In short, the team in 8th is closer to the top 4 than the 9th placed team is to the top 8.

2018-07-22T02:10:32+00:00

Brian

Guest


The Tigs or Raiders (counting them because of their PD) need to win pretty much every game and then have any team in the eight choke like dogs and lose close to every game: Penrith currently look like the only candidate. They (Panthers) play Manly, Knights, and Titans on the run home, so I doubt they drop out. The Raiders have a horror run, and the Tigs have the Dragons and Souths included in their run who they should lose to.

AUTHOR

2018-07-22T02:00:04+00:00

Joe Frost

Editor


Right you are Jack. The piece has been edited to better reflect the current situation. I apologise for my shoddy maths (I'm going to blame it on the fact I don't have all my fingers, which makes it hard for me to count).

2018-07-22T00:14:42+00:00

Forty Twenty

Guest


Kiss the Semi and then the Semi's goodbye!

2018-07-21T23:55:33+00:00

Birdy

Guest


The tigers mathematically could end up on 32 points. Highly unlikely that more than 32 could be a cut off point. Taking it 1 game at a time " go the Tigers!!!!!!!!"

2018-07-21T22:47:17+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


well put it this way, normally you'd get one team out in front and one team well behind that would counteract each others effect on the competion average. This year we've got 3 teams going worse then the 2 teams at the top are going good

2018-07-21T22:36:55+00:00

Forty Twenty

Guest


Only three?

2018-07-21T22:35:41+00:00

Luke

Guest


My point wasnt really about this year (it could end up being 30 points are needed to make the finals this year). It was about people saying teams need 28 points to make the finals because that was the cut off in the past. That was when teams had two byes, now they get one. So you cant really use that 28 point as a guide for finals anymore.

2018-07-21T22:30:50+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


That's mainly because three teams have been absolutly woefull this year, leaving a lot more easy points on the table and skewing the normal deviation

2018-07-21T22:25:48+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


If you wanna simplify it further - half the comp gets into finals so you only need to win half your games to qualify on points

2018-07-21T22:19:45+00:00

Chris n

Guest


The bottom team in the 8 is already on 24 points, no way is 26 points going to be enough this year at least

2018-07-21T22:00:50+00:00

Luke

Guest


The whole “teams need 28 points to make the finals cause that was the cut off in previous years” is now redundant. In previous years with two byes, teams got 4 points for free every year. With it being 1 bye now, teams only get 2 points. A better metric would be teams need 12 wins. with 1 bye that would mean they need 26 points.

2018-07-21T21:52:22+00:00

eagleJack

Roar Guru


Sorry Joe but this article is a week too late. The start of this round represented 7 more games left for each club. Not 8. So at best Manly, for example, could reach 26 points if they remained unbeaten. Which isn’t going to happen and isn’t enough to play finals anyway. They are playing with a focus on 2019 from this point onwards (and realistically have been for a few weeks now). I’m just hoping the don’t get the spoon!

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