Six appeal: Franklin fires as Swans snatch victory

So once again you provide none of this so-called evidence.

Only 20 minute of training for Buddy? add a couple hours onto that, he made the undermanned Pies defence look like a training drill at times. Hope we get to see a healthy Buddy put up consistent games like this!

What a total embarrassment for the NRL - they can't even boast about the TV ratings as it was only 135k in Sydney on Saturday. I know I've been going on for ages about Sydney being an all code city, but even I'm astonished with the pace of the change. The Joy of X is spot on with the assessment of the waste of money for ANZ and Allianz. I will concede that Parramatta may have had a case as the Wanderers do get quite a good crowd and may have justified the spending a bit.

Yeah, a real superstar, playing on a first game defender!

Your comment that “I have never seen anyone do anything as well when they are physically tired as they do as when they are fresh” is strictly true -but disingenuous in the context of these discussions on interchange, stoppage numbers, density, lower scoring etc. It is normal in sport to become slightly fatigued. Agree with your post and well said.

Cat 5.4 3.18 pm Your comment that "I have never seen anyone do anything as well when they are physically tired as they do as when they are fresh" is strictly true -but disingenuous in the context of these discussions on interchange, stoppage numbers, density, lower scoring etc. It is normal in sport to become slightly fatigued. Players are CONSTANTLY now running up and down the length of the ground - often running throughout a game 15 kms+. Therefore,whilst PLAYING, they would be making themselves VERY TIRED. This abnormal level of tiredness would have an impact on skills; and also the current game style severely restricts players' time and space (due to density) -which affects their ability to exercise those disposal skills. Why do you think that average stoppage numbers are close to record levels now? Why does the last quarter of VFL/AFL games have, for about 100 years+, on average more scoring than either the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarters? HINT: Something to do with time and space. Many fans prefer to watch games which have many "one on one duels", which are rare now. Are you aware of this? Why do they have that preference? Aligee has, sensibly, quoted the AFL's own appointed independent expert on interchange, game styles, and injuries. You have been critical of this- incorrectly, in my opinion. Do you have an independent expert to support your views on the interchange, stoppages, density levels, and injury rates? You are accusing Aligee of wanting to "deflect and distract". I suggest you are seeking to purposefully "deflect and distract" by your ad hominem attacks on him, raising . irrelevant political issues (You may not like President Trump -but this is a sports' website,and he was elected to that office) . abuse ("flat earthers") . semantics (You said " I did not say they "are". I said they are "like") This was in reference to Aligee very reasonably and appropriately saying to you that Hird, Worsfold, Craig, Sheedy, Blight, Matthews, Fitzpatrick etc. supported his views on reducing interchange numbers. Furthermore, your attempt above to cite ONLY the current Round of games (most of which have been exciting) to advance your points against changes to some Rules of the game is VERY unconvincing. A proper comparison, of course, would be the full number and range of games from over 10 years ago -when the increasingly often ugly game trends that have emerged since interchange numbers increased: stoppages, low scoring, very high tackle counts, scrappy play, mindless kicking backwards etc.

Grundy a dead set gun, did everything he could against the Swannies. Lynch looks set for the Tigers, too many reports suggesting that to not be the case..looks a done deal.

Madgen looked solid. Howe comes back next week, Aish should come in too. Reid and Goldsack will play Twos next week so things looking up. We have played most of the year without Moore anyway so his injury has minimal impact. Grundy is unbelievably good. If we lose out on Lynch, tie up Grundy for 6 -7 years.

Players kicking efficiency and scoring actually goes up towards the end of every quarter, that's because pressure is less. Have you never played the game ?, you can still mark and kick OK at the end of a quarter, but you cant make it to as many contests.

Pies are faltering big time now and the way Brisbane are playing they're a huge chance to knock them over. Lose to Port too and Pies miss the finals!

Norton told KB and The Doc that there is evidence that shows skill levels don’t decrease with reduced interchange, while suggesting around 10 rotations per quarter per team is about right.

That's because 6-6-6 at centre bounces isn't a change. You have to make everyone get back to their position at every single stoppage.

LOL, IF i was American and i thought Trump could save my job - you are dam right i would vote for him, in fact employment ATM through his policies are at an all time high for white, black, hispanic and pink and blue spotted Americans. And if i felt that the open border catch and release Obama policy at the Mexican border was impacting my lifestyle and employment opportunities through cheap imported labour like the huge multinationals want you are dam right i would want a wall and vote for Trump. Does that make me a flat earther as well?.

I don't need to refute anything, i am going to quote Kevin Bartlett who was on the laws of the game committee they had a bloke called Kevin Norton, a professor in South Australia who is an expert in all this sort of stuff, density, speed of players etc,” Bartlett told SEN’s KB and The Doc. “He kept giving us reports year after year after year. Why the AFL paid for the report, I got no idea, because they took no notice of him whatsoever. “One of the things he told us was that tiring players would not only open up the game, but would reduce soft tissue injuries created by repeat sprints at top pace Now you can ramble on about 33% till the cows come home but in the scheme of things I/C is now at 2011 levels and the talk around then was the inter change levels were to high, it needs as has been explained countless time to be reduced to a realistic level that would actually make a difference. Norton told KB and The Doc that there is evidence that shows skill levels don’t decrease with reduced interchange, while suggesting around 10 rotations per quarter per team is about right. But hey another couple of flat earthers !!!!!

That is what happens when you intentionally misrepresent what I say in an attempt to deflect and distract from the actual conversation. Stop acting like a Trump supporter and I will stop treating you with the contempt they deserve.

Yeah no doubt Swans the kings of clog footy.

Its very hard to have a reasonable conversation with you, because you seem to take everything personally and then attack the others character when things don't go your way or you are questioned. Cat says .... For someone who purports to be so intelligent, educated and up on all things, you certainly fail at basic reading comprehension. You are changing the terms of the conversation, whatsmore i have never claimed that, please post one instance where is have said that.

@ Cat I asked you in a previous thread if you have ever played Australian Football -but you never replied to this, and other questions I put to you. Your playing experience? How long have you been in Australia? In the 1980's in the VFL, there were a total average (ie 20 each team) of 40 tackles per game. The AFL now has a total average of 140 per game. What do you think are the main reasons for this? Is this a good thing for the game's appeal; and for players? The centre diamond (then square) was introduced about 1969. Why was it introduced? And was its introduction universally considered a success? Prof. K.Norton, Exercise Scientist, the AFL's own expert (on injuries and game styles) who recommended to the AFL interchange be reduced to 20-40 total, per team per game, has said that there are record injuries in the AFL being caused by tackles/bumps/collisions/pushes. What do you think are the reasons for this very worrying trend? What are your views on AFL's Charter Of The Game (the AFL's directive to Rule makers on the type of game styles it is seeking)? I assume obviously you are a fan of Australian Football. And you are fairly new to Australia? What 5 things do you find most attractive about the game? Why don't soccer and Union have interchange? Why has the NRL (who hired the services of Prof. Norton) in 2016 reduced interchange from a total of 10 per team, to 8 per team?

I did not say they are, I said they are like. For someone who purports to be so intelligent, educated and up on all things, you certainly fail at basic reading comprehension. Or is it like anon you just like to misrepresent things when you are thoroughly proven wrong time and time again? 1. Can you provide any evidence to refute that stoppages have increased despite I/C being cut by ~33%? 2. Can you provide any evidence that DE has not dropped since I?C was cut by 33%? 3. Can you provide any data other than the 'I think ...', 'I believe ...' type? 4. Can you provide any causative links that show it is actually increased I/C that is to blame for the number of stoppages in the current day game? Remember correlation does not prove causation.

I have in the past. Pay attention.