Modern Geelong myths that need to be dispelled

By Alphingtonian / Roar Pro

During Geelong’s premiership era, many myths emerged about famous moments and the people behind them that drove Geelong through its golden run.

Today the Cats have myths too but, rather than reflecting a successful era, it’s holding the club back from facing the truth about the post-2011 Scott era and the ramifications of a failed list management strategy.

So it’s time to tackle these myths and dispel them once and for all.

Myth no. 1: Geelong are a successful club.
Geelong’s not a successful club. Between 2007-2011, Geelong ‘were’ a successful club but it’s approaching seven years since they last played in a grand final or won a premiership – and they’ve only won three finals since.

Eight teams have won more finals than Geelong since 2011 and, with a finals winning percentage of a paltry 27 per cent over a 6 year period, it’s hard to fathom how the word ‘successful’ could ever be associated with the contemporary club.

Geelong’s performances at the MCG aren’t much to write home about either with, the Cats scrounging out just a 42.8 per cent winning record at the ground over the last 28 games there.

The simple fact is successful teams perform on the big stage of the MCG.

Myth no. 2: Geelong’s done well in the Chris Scott era to turn over most of its list without decent draft picks since 2011 and remain competitive.
First of all, the reason Geelong hasn’t had any decent draft picks is because the club made a conscious decision to pursue a list management strategy they knew would greatly limit their access to decent draft picks.

This isn’t a ‘woe is Geelong’ scenario where the club did well against the odds imposed by the AFL, it was imposed by the club upon itself.

The club deliberately put all its eggs in the ‘topping up the list with established players and mature age recruits’ basket. As a result, Chris Scott’s tenure hasn’t developed one player from the under 18s system that’s considered an elite player for the club.

All teams have turned over the majority of their lists since 2011. At least five of them in Adelaide, the Western Bulldogs, Richmond, Sydney, and West Coast have done it with more success than Geelong. You could also argue Hawthorn have too.

Melbourne, Collingwood, and Essendon are on the brink of also claiming more out of their respective post-2011 list turnovers than Geelong, especially as the Cats are now beginning to age and slide.

Myth no. 3: Geelong are a destination club.
The only starting 22 previously established players that came to the Cats without family pulling them back to the region and subsequently to the club are Zach Tuohy and Rhys Stanley.

Indeed, when Geelong has approached players without such connections to the club or region it’s been incredibly difficult to convince them to come – as their failed pursuits of Devon Smith, Jack Watts, and Jake Stringer in 2017 perfectly demonstrates.

Myth No. 4: Geelong’s got a lot of great young players.
Don’t get me wrong, Geelong’s got a few great young players with enormous potential – namely Esava Ratugolea, Jack Henry, Nakia Cockatoo, and maybe you could add Quinton Narkle to that list.

However the AFLPA’s 22 under 22 is the best indicator one could have of teams young stars and, for two years in a row, Geelong’s failed to have a single player named in the 40-man squad – let alone the team.

Even of the players I named, Cockatoo is incredibly injury-prone and may not ever get a fair crack at it, while Narkle has hardly played a game – so the jury is still well and truly out on him.

That leaves just two young players one could label, with any level of certainty, ‘great’ on the the club’s 2018 list.

I don’t write this piece with some vindictive pleasure or to upset Geelong fans or even to be deliberately provocative. I write it because I think the supporters and club itself need to stop believing in myths and face the truth of where the Geelong is at as a club.

The successful period of 2007-2011 has long disappeared in the rear view mirror now and, as we head toward the end of the Cook/Scott era over the next few years, it’s time to re-evaluate free of preconceived ideas or fanciful romantic notions about the club and understand we’re not the club we were back then.

We’re not successful anymore and, as a club, we find ourselves on the precipice of a list demographic cliff.

It’s patently clear as we cling to a finals chance in 2018 that the topping up list management strategy didn’t work.

We desperately need to face these harsh realities if we’re to return to the successful kind of club we want to be

The club’s myths during the glory days were reflections on success rather than delusions of grandeur papering over increasingly glaring cracks of failure.

The Crowd Says:

2018-08-17T13:55:45+00:00

marine boy

Guest


I just have one question...Why so much Geelong bashing on this site? Will someone please explain? (and no I don't live in Victoria)

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T09:11:57+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Parsons will be absolutely nothing. He won't be on an AFL list in 2 years. The others I agree seem to be good but all I was arguing in my piece was that really you could only say 2 of them were great young players that will go on with it. While that's an educated guess it seems more certain that Ratugolea and Henry will become elite players than any of the rest. Also as I pointed out the fact remains we haven't had a single player picked in the squads let alone teams of the 22 under 22 in both 2017 and 18 and that has to be of some real concern for a team poised to lose the entire core of their team over the next 2/3 seasons.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T09:04:54+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


I think it's quite obvious Geelong's recruitment points to a club that is thinking success in the now. I don't think they'll have that success and I think their topping up recruitment policy is a complete waste of time. My argument is I think Geelong should have a clear plan for winning their next flag and that will only come from giving up on this topping up nonsense and starting a proper rebuild like Bomber Thompson did back in the early 2000s or most recently Richmond and the Bulldogs did to win their premierships. I believe and evidence backs it up that the cohesion needed within a team to succeed only comes from growing, developing, and playing together for a significant period of time. To that end you have much to look forward to in the next 3/4 years as Brisbane fan when you find yourself genuinely competing for a flag.

2018-08-16T05:09:11+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


To be fair an opinion piece or multiple opinion pieces are just that - an opinion. I might not agree with this one after watching the gallant Cats against the Tigers, but Alph is entitled to his opinions as much as anyone else. DB, you don't dictate anyone's opinion. The Roar has been light on for footy articles lately so just glad to read some debate.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:49:55+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Congratulations on your letter writing. You clearly enjoy accepting mediocrity from the club - I don't. Also thanks for the consistent views of my articles I can now count on from readers such as yourself.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:46:45+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


I use clear evidence to back up my claims. These are not baseless arguments - they're just arguments you don't like to hear in your little navy blue and white fairy world where nothing the GFC does is ever wrong or should ever be critiqued.

2018-08-16T04:45:02+00:00

Brian

Guest


Hey champ. Your articles actually have the opposite effect on me. I actually write a letter to the club saying how I think Chris is doing a great job every time you post, just because I love how upset being an ingrate makes you

2018-08-16T04:42:39+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


There is constructive analysis and then there is your repeated attempts to leave a hot steaming pile of brown stuff.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:42:19+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Where did I say anything about only the top 10 players winning you a premiership? I was simply giving you a more precise definition to work with in regards to development of young players at Geelong. We haven't developed one player from the under 18s in 6 years that would be considered top 10 at the club.

2018-08-16T04:39:29+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


I understand your argument perfectly well. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t equal misunderstanding. You say success is relative, and are asking me to accept the proposition that what constitutes “success” for the Lions is different to what constitutes “success” for Geelong – the implication being Geelong can count themselves a failure if they don’t win a premiership, whereas the Lions haven’t failed if they don’t win a premiership. I disagree with that line of argument. I assert that both teams have failed equally if they fail to win a premiership. All that is different is the expectations of say you and me heading into the season – I don’t buy this argument that falling short by less than last year (but still falling short) constitutes success. You obviously do not believe this, otherwise how else could you keep writing monotone articles insisting Geelong are a failure as a club despite making finals almost every year for the past decade, and having a home and away record the envy of most other clubs. I see your posts as ungrateful, unrealistic and unreasonable. You think Geelong should win more flags. You maintain the current method is wrong but you never suggest any alternative beyond play more kids and have never outlined an intellectual or tactical alternative. You have no credibility to insist that your approach would necessarily have delivered better results and nothing to suggest that you know more than the powers-that-be running Geelong.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:31:22+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Cat - So you think without Danger, Ablett, Selwood, Hawkins, Scott Selwood, Henderson, Rhys Stanley, Zach Smith, and Zach Tuohy - we'd be competitive? If you took the Hawks you mentioned out of their line-up they'd still have their best two mids and arguably the best young key position player in the game (Sicily) in their line-up, with the Tiges they'd still have the best player in the game in their line-up (Dusty) plus the entire fleet of small forwards Prestia etc. Both those teams would wipe the floor with us in such a scenario. Regardless my point related to the fact they're both clearly in premiership contention when we are not. In such circumstances a clean out and proper rebuild is needed.

2018-08-16T04:28:31+00:00

DickDromana

Guest


Alphingtonian - I started to land into selection (which I do think is an issue) however when you look at the ages of some of the young fellas, Parsons 21,Jones (not quite 20 yet) Henry (about to turn 20)and Narkle 20 I think the future is OK. I do think that when it comes to playing weaker teams the coaches let us down with poor strategies i.e. letting opposition players run the ball down the wings unchecked. Then again we always seem to let Isaac Smith run riot unmarked. Who was his opponent last Saturday? As for the HS giving 3 votes to Smith and none to Ablett me thinks writer was not at the game or maybe he is a mate of Dermies.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:15:52+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


They're not anti-Geelong. Would an article critical of the current Australian govt mean you're anti-Australian? I'm a passionate supporter who disagrees with the current direction of the club. From my point of view they completely pro-Geelong as I try to point out obvious flaws within the club and the way they go about it with the hope of positive change which the mainstream media completely ignores. There are many Geelong fans increasingly frustrated by our pathetic finals record and lack of direction with list management that the club displays.

2018-08-16T04:14:08+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


So only the top 10 players make a difference whether a side wins a flag or not? Funny but the vast majority of knowledgeable pundits say its the strength of the bottom 6 that sets sides apart. Its no wonder you are so clueless about list building and team management. Maybe you should go support Carlton or St Kilda, they seem to be doing what you wish upon Geelong. I certainly would not trade places with them.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:12:15+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


I'll take the poultry whack. It is an amusing typo. Success as you must understand being a Lions fan is relative. Success for the Lions this year pre-season of course would've been measured differently to success for a premiership favourite like Geelong. If you can't understand that then you're more vague than the argument against my piece you just delivered.

2018-08-16T04:07:34+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Yeah - no.

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:07:18+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


A player capable of winning the team a Premiership. To help you along I'll change the definition to help your argument we'll make it 'a player in the best 10 at the club' and you'll still be left holding nothing but an empty bag of misguided Geelong parochialism

AUTHOR

2018-08-16T04:03:52+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Cat - in short they'd still be in a hell of a lot better position than Geelong.

2018-08-16T03:42:44+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


So would any team in the league. Where would Richmond be without Houli, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Edwards, Grigg, Lloyd and Rance? All are over your arbitrary 28 years old line. Where would Hawthorn be without Burgoyne, Roughead, Puopolo, Birchall, Henderson, Frawley, Smith, Stratton, McEvoy and Whitecross (I'll leave Rioli off the list since he retired already)?

2018-08-16T03:24:08+00:00

DB

Guest


11 articles written 9 anti-Geelong. This guy is an obsessed whack job

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