Collingwood’s four running forwards will dictate their finals fortunes

By Peter the Scribe / Roar Guru

We’ve all heard about how Collingwood’s makeshift defence might impact their September campaign. But it’s actually the performance of the small forward brigade that the Pies will live or die by in the finals.

Let’s look at their side from all areas on the field.

The defence

We have all heard the names to go down this season from the Pies’ back end.

It started with Tyson Goldsack very early, Brayden Maynard missed a few, Taylor Adams went out when playing at half back, Darcy Moore, Ben Reid (no surprise really based on his injury history), Lynden Dunn, Flynn Appleby, Moore again, Matthew Scharenberg, Moore again and even Jeremy Howe now with a seemingly four-week cork.

The Magpies have cobbled together an acceptable makeshift defence with first-year players like Jack Madgen and Nathan Murphy now supporting the established Maynard, Tom Langdon and Jack Crisp. Howe should return this week.

Defence breakout point: Darcy Moore

For Darcy Moore, it wasn’t just that he’s missed most of the season with injury, it’s that the season itself was meant to educate him into becoming a key defensive post.

Even if he still returns, he hasn’t had the time to blend with the backline and learn his craft at the highest level that the club had planned for the home-and-away season.

Based on his 2018 record, the club will have to decide if it is worth risking him this year even if passed fit. You don’t want to go one rotation down first quarter in a final. Based on 2018, it is a huge risk to play him even if ruled fit.

One thing is for sure, if he heads to Sydney in the offseason, his hamstring concerns go with him. His manager, Liam Pickering, has without doubt stalled on the Moore contract offer from the Pies in order to wait and see any extra money is available should the Pies, as expected, lose the Lynch chase.

It is a strategy that has backfired.

Darcy Moore’s trade value has gone down this year. (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Moore has great potential, but Pickering will be dismayed that Moore’s stock value has actually gone down instead of up this season thanks to recurring injuries. Perhaps the contract offer that was on the table all season might just be rescinded.

The midfield

The Pies have had a fairly stable midfield in 2018, despite the carnage with injury down back. Steele Sidebottom, Scott Pendlebury, Taylor Adams and Adam Treloar are all elite midfielders and only Treloar has gone down for any significant length this year.

Treloar is back running and kicking, but realistically needs everything to go right for a return in weeks two or three of the finals.

Adams’ inside-mid game has gone to a new level in 2018, and he may well win the Copeland he lost by one vote last year to Sidebottom.

Outside run is supplied by Tom Phillips, Sam Murray, Sidebottom, Crisp and James Aish – who himself is only just back from a long rehab. De Goey and Josh Thomas take midfield rotations when required.

Chris Mayne is fitter than he has ever been and has been a great story in 2018, playing a very team-based defensive wing role.

Brayden Sier has been a big bodied long-term project recruited in a surprise at pick 32 in the 2015 National draft. At six foot three and 90 kilos, he is not blessed with pace but instead relishes inside support work for Adams by bullocking opponents out of the way with his ample shoulders.

Gerard Healy has already compared him to a very raw early version of the Swans’ Josh Kennedy.

With early season injuries and a depleted defence, Maynard has not been able to get back in the midfield where he showed real promise in the final game of 2017 against Melbourne.

He’s still an ace up Nathan Buckley’s sleeve should the mids need an injection of aggression.

Levi Greenwood plays a great tagging role but the club has struggled to settle him in a position when no obvious tagging role has been present.

Levi Greenwood and Jeremy Howe have been valuable pickups for the Pies. (Photo: Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)

The biggest and most important player for the ‘Pies as the season has progressed has been Brodie Grundy. Once the ruck work is done, Grundy is simply a huge bodied extra mid.

Buckley has resisted any temptation to start Mason Cox in the square with Grundy acting as your old school ruck-rover but it would have been an interesting experiment against lower sides.

Midfield breakout point: Taylor Adams

When Adam Treloar went down with a double hamstring injury in Round 14, many thought Collingwood’s finals chances went down with him.

However, a glass half full approach means it has seen Taylor Adams’ game go to a new level, as well as allowing for the emergence of Sier.

Adams’ form culminated in arguably his best game for the club against Port Adelaide on the weekend, as he amassed 16 disposals, four score assists, five contested possessions, and 229 metres gained in a dominant 30-minute burst in the second quarter.

Adams has always been the inside mid the Pies needed but, with the loss of Treloar, Sier has come in as inside mid support. Now, Adams has started to burst clear of packs adding outside run and metres gained, something the Pies haven’t really seen from him before. He has also emerged as the heir apparent to Pendlebury as skipper.

The forwards

Yes, the club lost Reid and Moore, who can potentially play forward, Tim Broomhead, who was earmarked for small forward, and Jamie Elliott who, unfortunately like Reid, was no surprise to be out injured.

However, there is a key quartet of forwards that have largely played nearly every game, and it is these four who have been the key to moving from a hit-and-miss forward structure of 2017 to a beautifully balanced forward line in 2018.

Jordan de Goey, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Josh Thomas and Jaidym Stephenson are the four mid-sized runners of the Pies new forward line. The tall supporting targets of Cox and Brady Mihocek have been providing the go-to marking target down the line and have kicked the odd couple of goals themselves.

In many ways, the quartet appear to take turns for the actual goals.

One week it might be Thomas with four or five, the next week Hoskin-Elliott gets a few, then Stephenson with four or five and the week after De Goey pops up with six.

Add little cameos from Travis Varcoe and the mids popping up for the odd goal to the combined 39 goals of Mihocek and Cox, and it makes an interesting mix for the Pies that is not dependent on any one player.

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It’s difficult to stop. Geelong stopped it the most successfully, keeping the Pies to just five goals by messing up the quality of the supply rather than focusing on the forwards themselves.

Forward breakout point: Mason Cox

Cox or Mihocek are the go-to targets when the quartet aren’t in space. One of these games, the umpires might just have a day where they pay a lot of the holding frees and Cox could kick six.

In the meantime, his job is kept simple. Provide a down the line go to target, clunk a few marks, bring the ball down to feeding Magpies at his feet and kick the odd goal yourself.

Some of Cox’ feed work this year has been sublime and he also provides a break for Grundy in the ruck.

In 2019, Broomhead – and potentially Elliott – will also come into the small forward mix if fit.

Daniel Wells and Reid both have a year left and could also blend into the forward mix but neither can seem to get on the park. Goldsack, if he returns will be set for defence. Alex Fasolo seems destined for Carlton.

Tom Lynch is an interesting pursuit. He isn’t the be all and end all for the Pies, but he would take the Mihocek’s role – perhaps sending him to the backline – and potentially have Collingwood’s forward line-up there with Richmond and West Coast as the most dangerous in the league.

The Pies would be pleased to get him but also move on quickly if, as expected, he joins the Tigers.

With Richmond as the benchmark, let’s compare the Pies and Tigers forwards in 2018.

Top six leading goalkickers
RCH: Riewoldt 60, Caddy 43, Martin 29, Castagna 24, Butler 18, Lambert 15
Total: 189
COL: Hoskin-Elliott 39, De Goey 36, Thomas 34, Stephenson 32, Mihocek 20, Cox 19
Total: 180

The Tigers are the most vulnerable, relying on Jack Riewoldt, but he hardly ever misses a game so in many ways it is a moot point.

Dustin Martin is also the other outlier in that he still spends more time in the midfield than pinch hitters De Goey and Thomas. The Pies six forwards above are largely full time forwards.

Riewoldt, Josh Caddy and Martin have combined for 36 goals the past four weeks. Taking out Jack’s bag of 10, it’s still a significant number from four players. Caddy is huge and deserves a strong tag.

Top four marks inside 50
RCH: Riewoldt 79, Castagna 33, Caddy 28, Martin 17
COL: Hoskin-Elliott 44, De Goey 33, Cox 31, Stephenson 23

Jack dominates here again, showing his importance to the Tigers’ back-to-back quest. He also has taken 42 contested marks this year, with Collingwood’s Cox sitting third in the competition with 46.

Jack Riewoldt has been unstoppable lately. (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Top four goal assists
RCH: Edwards 28, Riewoldt 18, Martin 18, Cotchin 14
COL: Hoskin-Elliott 16, Crisp 15, Pendlebury 15, Adams 13

How important is Shane Edwards to the Tigers?

Top four score involvements
RCH: Martin 168, Riewoldt 164, Edwards 138, Lambert 135
COL: Sidebottom 137, Grundy 128, Thomas 126, Pendlebury 123

Martin and Riewoldt are the top two in the competition.

Summary

So what does that all mean in the context of the respective forward lines?

Richmond have become very Jack-focused in the second half of the year 0 and why not? He has kicked 60 himself and given off another 18.

For the Pies, Hoskin-Elliott is the closest with 39 and 16 assists.

The Tigers have Edwards running amok forward giving goals away, Caddy is a massive key to their fortunes and Dusty, who leads the competition in scoring involvements drifts, forward at his own discretion.

Both clubs have X-factor players, clearly Dusty Martin and Jordan de Goey.

On the scoring ladder, Richmond sit second to Melbourne with 2045 points for, while Collingwood are not far behind in third with 1970.

One can argue the Magpies’ new forward line isn’t far behind Richmond’s in potential and is arguably less predictable.

Collingwood need to be bold and back their impressive midfield to feed their unpredictable forward structure and outscore the opposition rather than focus on a makeshift miserly defence.

The Crowd Says:

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2018-08-28T04:19:58+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Great timing with the Sam Murray case actually as it has been completely buried in the pre- finals media. Hardly going to derail a season Cornes.

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2018-08-25T04:47:53+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


A fair point Aransan and not just relevant to the elite level.

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2018-08-25T04:45:15+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


A common mistake Aransan but Cox was totally free to join the Hawks with his Visa status.

2018-08-24T15:26:58+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


PTS, many players do not have long footy careers just because their bodies cannot stand up to the training load.

2018-08-24T15:23:46+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


FT, you are one of the better contributors on this forum. I will just make the comment that most clubs are not good at developing big players including ruckmen, they are too impatient for success. The problem then becomes that these clubs will subsequently try to poach such players from other clubs because they haven't developed their own. This is a real problem for clubs who do develop such players as they become free agents by the time they have been developed.

2018-08-24T15:16:58+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


PTS, I admire the passion that you have for your club just as I admire the passion that Macca has for Carlton. I think a lot of football supporters were aware of Howe when he was at Melbourne, so some development had already been done. I don't rate him as a KPP but he is excellent in what he does. I don't rate Cox as A-grade yet but Collingwood have done well to get him to his present stage and I do expect that he will develop into an A-grade player.

2018-08-24T15:09:20+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


PTS, I thought Cox was bound to the Pies due to the class of Visa that he has -- this is an immigration restriction.

2018-08-24T09:38:48+00:00

Gavan Iacono

Roar Rookie


George is both loved and loathed at tigerland - his kicking against gws a case in point. Your comment on tiges being more reliant on JR this year is not a good thing, and reinforces my darkest fears of us failing in the forward half in finals and coming up short. Beneath the tige fans veneer of optimism lurk such fears after decades of failure. The other thing abt pies which i think is underestimated is their defense despite players out. The obsessive mid field pressure really helps them hold up pretty well defensively. I am quitely anxious about our next meeting.

2018-08-24T08:52:58+00:00

Bell31

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I do like the idea of surprise premiers - whilst it wasn't our team, it was great to see the Tigers and Doggies get long-awaited premierships the last 2 years (doggies in particular - 64 years is unbelievable, although I guess the Swans waited even longer between 1933 and 2005!) Geelong is a good potential dark-house - I'm just not convinced they have enough depth in their list over 4 finals to get there despite of their midfield. Melbourne is so unproven though (but I guess the Doggies were too) Yes, you make a good point re Moore - I kind of overlooked Lynch, but I think it's because I'm assuming we won't be able to secure him! thanks again for the article - a very good read going into September...

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2018-08-24T08:43:32+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Thanks so much for your excellent post Bell31. You make really interesting points and certainly I didn't predict last year that our forward line would actually improve in the absence of Reid and Jamie Elliott. As for Moore, I have been swinging back and forth all year whether I would prefer him or Lynch. At the moment I am comfortable if Lynch goes to the Tigers, he may even clog up their forward line that is working so well with Jack Riewoldt. If anything, I think Lynch is best suited to Hawthorn first, Pies second and Richmond third. Would I prefer to keep Moore? Yes but I don't think we will. Andrew Ireland works with the Swans and is great friends with Peter Moore. they play golf together in Sydney. Moore has had a contract on the table since February and his greedy Manager Liam Pickering may well have held out to see how much money the Pies have left after missing Lynch but then only using the new Pies offer to drive up the price in Sydney. If he is hell bent on going, then go I say. I am a great believer in percentage being the best indicator of a team in a season Bell and Melbourne's is the second best in the competition. I feel they aren't quite ready to go much more than a final or two but could be very wrong. I too am concerned how our makeshift defence will handle blokes like big Tom Hawkins, Josh Kennedy and Jack Darling from WCE and Jack Riewoldt, if anything I think we will handle the Hawks, Demons and Swans ok in the finals. Cats for me are the dark horse but as I have stated to arrogant Richmond fans in here, the Pies could easily beat them in a Qualifying Final and it will be a double edged win as it will send us to the Preliminary Final and send then to face WCE in Perth where I believe they will bow out of the finals opening the door for a surprise premier.

2018-08-24T08:04:29+00:00

Bell31

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Great article Peter. Most of the comments have already encompassed most of my thoughts, so just a few things to add: - I think I first noticed you when you wrote THAT article (Dec 17) on the Pies; even as a Pies supporter, I thought you were being overly optimistic, as I wondered how Bucks could continue on, given the lack of success in his time in the role (despite Fat Toad's insightful comments on 'responsibility' in organisations, which as he indicates, is much more nuanced than simple fixes). I especially wondered about your optimisim re Jordan de Goey and the Pies finishing top 4! Well, I chuckled when I re-read that article yestreday!! - It does that there's a bit of a changing of the guard at Collingwood --- it is difficult to see Reid/Fas/Elliott/Wells contributing in a sustainable way, given their significant history of injuries (probaby being a bit tough on Fas here - more 2018 for Fas). They potentially take-up spots that might go to other up and coming performers with considerable potential. I'm not saying 'discard' all 4, but I would think long and hard about their potential contributions in 2019. I guess, however, it probably boils down to length of their contracts and how they affect the overall salary cap, whether they're retained or not. I could see an argument for Reid in our backline, and of course, Elliott in our forward line (but I feel less compelling about this due to DeGoey/WHE/Thomas/Stephenson). - I am, however, more partial to trying to keep Moore, again, depending on salary cap logistics --- I think he's probably too young to really know how he's going to perform yet and I guess I just feel nostalgic about father-son picks!! (we could have a side of Weidman, Picken, Daicos*2, Brown*2 and Moore, but that shows my age...) - My kids are amused about my passion towards Sier --- I'm a big Josh Kennedy fan and like Healy said, I can't help but make some 'very early' comparisons --- I'm backing him to become a strong performer. - Lastly, the Demons are my dark horse for September - I think Hogan is out, which will hurt them, but if they can get it right, they will be a very interesting proposition - of course, the Pies are a strong contender too, BUT I am concerned how our backline is going to hold-up across multiple finals...

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2018-08-24T07:21:53+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Thanks Gavan and I agree that stats would be good to see. I don't have access to those stats but I know the Pies have had a remarkable amount of goals kicked from either the square or just outside it by the mid sized quartet. I did happen to notice the Tigers Jason Castagna has kicked 24 goals 22 behinds this season - wonder if he will straighten that out before the finals.

2018-08-24T07:09:04+00:00

Fat Toad

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I suspect that you are absolutely on the knocker! But from the best evidence available (a sibling trial) the Swan's ability to manage players is no different to the Magpies'. Though a sample size of one per treatment is not much to boast about.

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2018-08-24T06:56:37+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


He had been tried at Melbourne briefly in the back line but never developed. He is our CHB in a classic sense and our best intercept defender. He was developed by the club in defence as was Mason Cox who didn't even know what Aussie rules was when the club took him. Just those two KPF's should be evidence enough for you to admit your error Aransan. Cox had to learn everything from how to hold the ball.

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2018-08-24T06:51:52+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


A very valid point Mr Toad. Both Reid brothers bodies do not cope with the rigor of AFL footy - joints, tissue and ligaments that do not cope. Some players don't. Look at the Swans Alex Johnson. Here's hoping Matty Scharenberg doesn't have to cope with more as well.

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2018-08-24T06:48:47+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Cox is on lower-mid range money Aransan. He had a slightly bigger offer to go to Hawthorn in the off season and came very close to taking it. It was a line ball decision and McGuire met him during his deliberation pleading the loyalty card that it was the Pies who had put all the work with him into becoming an AFL player. Glad he stayed.

2018-08-24T05:05:00+00:00

bilo

Guest


I was thinking exactly the same thing, Collingwood...again...

2018-08-24T04:52:59+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


FT, you have named the Reid brothers. Perhaps their bodies were such that they were always going to have injury problems regardless of their management.

2018-08-24T04:48:24+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


Cox was a gamble with little risk that has worked out well, but I doubt if he is on big money. I am not sure how well he will do against top teams but he has room for improvement.

2018-08-24T04:45:23+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


Did Collingwood develop Jeremy Howe? I will admit he is A-grade but more of a flanker than a KPP.

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