The greatest key forward combinations of the modern era

By Kandeepan Arul / Roar Rookie

Richmond fans are salivating at the prospect of watching Jack Riewoldt and Tom Lynch playing together, while West Coast supporters ponder how destructive Josh Kennedy and Jack Darling would be if they stayed injury free.

So I thought it was worth reflecting on the great full forward – centre half forward combinations of the last 40 years.

Jason Dunstall and Dermott Brereton

Number of premierships won together: 4

Arguments for
Dunstall and Brereton both performed when it mattered most – in grand finals. Brereton kicked eight goals in the 1985 grand final (only bettered by Gary Ablett and Gordon Coventry), while Dunstall kicked six in the ’86 grand final on one the greatest defenders of all time in Bruce Doull.

Between them, they kicked 12 in the ’88 grand final and ten in the ’91 grand final.

Dunstall was known for kicking straight and tackling pressure, Brereton for his aggression.

Argument against
Many would argue their success was mainly driven by playing in one of the greatest teams of all time in an era when equalisation measures were in their infancy.

They got silver-spoon service from a star-studded midfield who had Brownlow medalists, Robert DiPierdomenico John Platten, dual-Norm Smith medalist Gary Ayres and other highly acclaimed footballers such as Gary Buckenara, Peter Schwab, and Terry Wallace.

Tony Lockett and Stewart Loewe

Number of premierships won together: 0

Arguments for
Few pairs of forwards dominated the home and away season like these two did during the early ‘90s.

Lockett won the Brownlow in 1987 and was sixth in 1991 despite only playing 17 games. Loewe came fourth in 1992.

They had the rare distinction of being named as the full forward and centre half-forward combination in the ’91 All-Australian team.

They repeated the achievement in ’92, except Lockett was in the forward pocket instead of full forward.

Arguments against
For all their consistency when playing together they only led St Kilda into the finals on two occasions. Loewe couldn’t kick straight until the later stages of his career, while Lockett missed a lot of football through suspension.

Alastair Lynch and Jonathan Brown

Number of premierships won together: 3

Arguments for
In the five seasons they played together (2000-2004) Brisbane played in four consecutive grand finals, yielding three premierships. Each won mark of the year 13 years apart.

Jonathan Brown retired in 2014. (Photo: Patrick Hamilton/AFL Media)

They were both included in Mike Sheahan’s top 50 players of the past 25 years published in 2015.

Arguments against
The 13-year age gap between the two meant Brown hit his peak after Lynch had retired. Their All-Australian years were 14 years apart.

We never got to see the two of them playing together at their peak.

It could be argued Brisbane’s premiership success was built on the back of one the greatest midfields, which had three Brownlow medalists, rather than their forwards.

Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead

Number of premierships won together: 2

Arguments for
Two contrasting forwards who led Hawthorn to their first premiership in 17 years (2008), and won another five years later.

The huge leap and strong hands of Roughead complemented the speed, athleticism and mercurial skills of Franklin.

They combined for a total of 188 goals in 2008 and each took turns at winning the Coleman medal during their two premiership years.

Arguments against
It could be argued that a lot of their best football came after Franklin left for Sydney. Roughhead went on to win two more flags and another All-Australian selection.

Franklin won a further four All-Australian selections playing for Sydney.

Were Franklin and Roughead the greatest pairing ever? (Photo: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Honourable mentions

Wayne Carey and John Longmire
Across six seasons (1990 to 1995) Longmire kicked 464 goals, and Carey 304.

Gary Ablett and Barry Stoneham
In the few seasons they played as the Cats’ keys, they were unstoppable. You still wonder what Geelong might have achieved had they snuck into the finals in 1993.

Verdict

It’s difficult comparing forward combination from different eras given the game and its style of play has evolved so much. Each of them was the best during their era and played a brand of football that best suited their time.

However, if I was forced to pick one, I would pick Lynch and Brown. They experienced premiership success, won individual accolades, performed consistently as well as producing the spectacular.

The Crowd Says:

2018-11-20T13:08:23+00:00

bell31

Guest


Can't argue with that!

2018-11-16T03:50:32+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


Warwick Capper and Tony Morwood.

2018-11-15T04:18:04+00:00

bell31

Guest


sorry (best teams of all time)

2018-11-15T04:16:46+00:00

bell31

Guest


I'm hoping that you're just 'stringing us along' a bit with that last comment Don Freo? There's no hype with Derm - Carey may have been better (but he was also rated as better than Lethal Leigh by some) - but Derm is in the same conversation as Brown. Whilst goals / game isn't the only relevant metric, it is instructive - Langdon was 1 goal / game and Mitchell was less than 1 goal per game - Derm averages 2.2 goals / game over his career, and more importantly, he averages 3.5 goals / GF over 7 GFs! (yes, he in one of the best times of all time, but that's exceptional). Also, and I have no evidence to back this up, other than my intuitions / watching him play, but if there was something equivalent to a useful '+/-' (team effectiveness/contribution) stat in AFL (like NBA), Derm would rate highly. I think the stats for Derm/Dunstall are more compelling than Carey/Longmire.

2018-11-13T02:55:38+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


Like how I only ever watch the Socceroos to see how Glory players go.

AUTHOR

2018-11-12T13:53:17+00:00

Kandeepan Arul

Roar Rookie


I remember watching state of origin as a schoolkid. My main purpose in watching the game was to ensure that none of the hawthorn players (team I support) got injured. Really didn't give a hoots which state won.

2018-11-12T13:06:40+00:00

Scott

Guest


WA state of origin team. 2 best Key Forwards Buddy and Kennedy, 2 /best Key Defenders Rance and McGovern. 3 best contested possession winners Fyfe, Tom Mitchell and Patrick Cripps being fed by the best tap ruckman (if fit) Naitanui and Paddy Ryder as a partner. Throw Yeo and Cognilio on the wings. Darling and/or Hogan as 3rd forwards, plus a pretty good crew to fill up the rest of the positions. If there is ever a time to bring back state of origin it is right now whilst Kennedy and buddy are still ripe. The vics 2nd best 22 could still prob beat anyone on their day but this is one of the only times in memory another state, on paper, has had a better team then Victoria’s best 22

2018-11-12T06:39:32+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Derm is the weak link in the Derm/Dunstall partnership. He was on a Mitchell White/Karl Langdon level. He just got good media...gave most of it himself post-career. Longmire was a regular 70 - 90 goals/ season forward. Carey is the tipping point. No one comes close to him.

2018-11-12T05:28:48+00:00

Adam

Guest


All good should of made my statement clearer.

2018-11-12T04:45:39+00:00

User

Roar Rookie


Oh well I misread the meaning of your post, please accept my remorse and apologies.

2018-11-12T03:40:51+00:00

Adam

Guest


I was talking about his last two seasons.I know how good he was. He and Carey use to destroy other teams.

2018-11-12T02:49:18+00:00

User

Roar Rookie


Longmire was a ff, a bloody good one who was struck with injury, 94 when north had Carey, Longmire and Adrian mccadam was seriously scary.

2018-11-12T01:42:23+00:00

Cobra

Roar Rookie


Few people now would even understand what it was like to cheer when your full forward marked it anywhere within range because you knew it was a formality from that point. It was a shock when he missed. We now have a debate every year about the inaccuracy of goal kicking. Don't underestimate the genius of the Pig!

2018-11-12T01:31:22+00:00

Adam

Guest


I think Mick Martyn was fullback. Longmire was used off the bench in defence ruck and up forward.

2018-11-11T23:59:19+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


What makes you think any state other than Vic should get their own origin team? Don't you know it's their game?

2018-11-11T12:49:09+00:00

Bell31

Guest


Id forgotten that - it might make it more challenging for them to be no.2 without team success together although their record in first half of the 90s is still very good

AUTHOR

2018-11-10T21:50:17+00:00

Kandeepan Arul

Roar Rookie


Only thing with Longmire is that he was injured for the whole of the '96 season. He then spent the rest of his career at full back including the '99 premiership.

2018-11-10T15:26:32+00:00

bell31

Guest


Whilst Carey is probably the best CHF of all time, as a duo, I don't think they're close to Derm/Dunstall --- I don't think they had the same level of team success (appeared in 3 GFs together for 2 flags) to really be considered at the same level. However, I think a good argument can be made to have them no.2. I'm glad the author lists Lockett/Loewe, b/c I think they (esp. Loewe) gets forgotten about as a duo, and although short on team success, were also formidable (the early 90s was a bit of a golden era for forward tandems)

2018-11-10T07:19:32+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Seriously, though, I'd be going Carey and Longmire.

2018-11-10T01:47:46+00:00

Bell31

Guest


They were such a physically imposing team --- even though my pies were slightly favoured, if I recall correctly, heading into the 2003 GF, they just physically took us out of the contest (and pretty skilled too)

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