Fasolo, Wines cop AFL injuries

What I heard is that he wanted a 3 year deal, the blues were reticent and so he backed himself and said "give me a one year deal and I will make you offer me 3 at the end of it"

Except that Fasolo is on a 3 year contract !

".I say when setting standards incidents like these need repurcusion" I would suggest that giving up the opportunity to grab a spot in the 22 that runs out in the first round and handing that opportunity to a hungry young kid is a pretty big repercussion. "should escape any sanction because no one knows" He knows, C Curnow probably knows and the club knows but we don't know. For all we know he was innocently having a chat and a mate blindsided him to have a wrestle. For me I would much prefer any sanction to be training based rather than a fine or especially money for the "end of season trip" (when was the last time a club had one if those) which makes the fine hypocritical - your punishment for doing something silly while drinking is contribution to us all going out drinking where we will probably do something silly. And again this isn't being dismissed as boys will be boys, simply people are human.

Was that the sanction wellingham recieved at wce Macca? The others I'm not sure but personally I think rampe should of been The others no though I'm sure there was a healthy playing group fine. You believe a bloke who has no history with your club who got involved in a situation that has disrupted your club settlement on a best 22 for round 1 should escape any sanction because no one knows..I say when setting standards incidents like these need repurcusion whether it's $1000 or $10000. It's about standards something that will be lacking if he escaped on boy will be boys, only has a on year contract pity attitude.

Again "Exactly what did happen? Who instigated the “wrestle”?" When Dane Rampe broke his arm jumping a chain was he sanctioned? When Howe broke a finger playing frisbee did he cop a whack? What about when Greenwood broke his toe putting on his pants or when Wellingham hurt his ankle of a trampoline?

I never said he wasn't allowed to drink my point of view is he should be sanctioned for breaking his arm, whether by club or by leadership to throw into end of season trip kitty.

So I have to be there to know it was hot? Here is the link form the BOM showing temperatures for the month, notice 14 days above 45 degrees for Jan (although he was only there for 11) plus another 6 above 40. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/201901/html/IDCJDW5038.201901.shtml “Yes when you earn high income you do have obligation to the employer” At what point does this obligation kick in? And if you don’t have to be at work until Monday why can’t you have a few drinks on a Saturday night? What are you and aren’t you allowed to do? If you tear a muscle in the gym are you breaking your obligation? Can you play a sport such as AFL at all? Are you allowed to drink at all? Can you go to a party where others may be being boisterous? “there is a big difference to drinks and enjoyment and what happened” Exactly what did happen? Who instigated the “wrestle”? How many drinks had Fasolo had? ” especially the stupidity to put your tenuous contract situation at risk” I agree with this, but that is Fasolo’s risk and an obligation to himself. “And finally like alot of Australian workers I found myself injured whilst working” just like a lot of AFL players, I would suggest they have one of the highest rates of workplace injuries. “says zero to me as it wasn’t your experience so is hearsay.” So given you have zero experience in an AFL team and weren’t at the party where Fasolo got injured what you are saying means zero because it is all heresay?

How does any of that equate to an AFL career? The size and unique talent of an AFL workforce allows a more tailored handling of work conditions outside of game day (and the fact that they’re not operating heavy machinery or dangerously volatile goods). – The question isn’t a choice between the monastic and boys will be boys, it’s about what is a realistic level of cotton-woollery. – Oh and the onus is on all parties. This includes the employer to provide conditions that look after a primary resource, like the workforce, in an appropriate manner. Not to burn them out or put too high/unrealistic expectations of responsibility on them. A lot of that in practice can come down to workforce supply and demand of course.

Save the breakdown I can follow a disagreement. Stoked for your brother in law and the close nature of your relationship firstly Turning off hot water even if not needed says zero to me as it wasn't your experience so is hearsay. Yes when you earn high income you do have obligation to the employer as well as your fellow employees to present in a fit an able manner. Your a fanboy Macca I'm cool with it and there is a big difference to drinks and enjoyment and what happened especially the stupidity to put your tenuous contract situation at risk And finally like alot of Australian workers I found myself injured whilst working, it's not that uncommon so again stoked for your bro in law but it's not experience and therefore hearsay ;)

"Some of us worked in 45 degree heat" My brohter just finished a 4 week stretch in Moomba last Friday, they turned the hot water service off because it wasn't needed - no fitness test required. "No I never faced the scrutiny but death and serious injury where a reality" You mean like playing AFL? And I assume you were able to drink on your time off? "Glad your brother in law worked in unsafe environment" Due to the likelihood of ignition oil & gas a incredibly "safe" environments, especially Bass straight. Interestingly he isn't the one who got injured on the job. "Oil and gas are different and you’ll find he is on 6mths of the year off for the other it’s industry standard" Far from it, he has to pick and choose his jobs very carefully to get even time, plenty of offers of 3/1. The major variances in his contracts suggest there is no industry standard. "When earning good money you have a responsibility to your employer" So in an industry when you can get run off at any stage and never given the security of a long term contract you believe you owe your employer something because they are paying you well? How much do you have to earn before your employer gets to tell you what to do with your personal time? And it is nothing to do with a "starstruck boys will be boys attitude" just accepting that football players are allowed to have a life.

Or perhaps even this year; "Blakely, 22, has been ruled out for 12-14 weeks after he injured the hamstring during an innocuous clash at training on Friday"

Some of us worked in 45 degree heat constantly dealing with with broken down plant, physical fitness was imperative No I never faced the scrutiny but death and serious injury where a reality. Glad your brother in law worked in unsafe environment but I'm glad WA has stringent safety in place. Oil and gas are different and you'll find he is on 6mths of the year off for the other it's industry standard ;) Unfortunately I now have a back full of more metal due to injury but I knew the risk. When earning good money you have a responsibility to your employer but I do accept your starstruck boys will be boys attitude, I'm just different.

On a lot of sites they provide breathalysers in camp, so you can check your levels before getting on the bus/starting work and opt out. I'm sure if they caught any player with significant levels of alcohol in their systems at training or at the game they'd be on a short list. But players aren't exactly operating heavy machinery or highly flammable gasses. - I met an engineer who had a specialised tech knowledge of the systems they used and was on a rotating roster of 4 on / 6 off with I think every third roster being 3 on / 7 off. The company were also more than willing to compromise that swing arrangement when he was struggling with insomnia.

Interesting that you "used to". And I am also pretty sure when you went out you didn't have to worry about being photographed or that you had dozens of "journalists" critiquing your job performance every week. And I would suggest that those terms are far from "real world" and in fact very unusual. Even in the mining/gas/oil industry they aren't even the norm (if there is such a thing). My brother has been working in that industry for roughly 20 years between Bass straight, Malaysia, Queensland and SA - never a need for a "high grade of fitness", earning anything from $450 to $600 a day, on anything from a full time employee to a 4 week contract, almost always been on even time (anything from 2 on 2 off to 4 on 4 off) and while there is the constant threat of alcohol testing he has never actually been tested. On top of that when he was on his time off (such as a Saturday night when he didn't have to be back at work until Monday) he was able to do whatever he wanted.

I used to work contract, I'd have to maintain a high grade fitness to handle the conditions and if I had any alcohol in my system at all I'd be sacked on the spot. The reward was 50p/h, 6 day weeks with 12h days=72hr weeks and a roster of 4/1. Not that hard when your a upper percentage wage earner.

Or wake boarding like Wines.

Agree when you are a 26 year old on a 1 year contract in a team with a high number of recent high draft picks missing 8 weeks of pre-season and probably costing your self a spot in the round 1 team (giving someone like Cuningham or Polson first crack at your spot) is punishment enough.

Yeah if only he was in the real world where 1 year contracts are uncommon, you are allowed to eat and drink what you want when you want and your employer is legally required to turn over at least 7% of the staff every year.

To me it seemed the media were pushing for a "punishment", the blues have taken a clever approach by deferring the "decision" until after the media have moved on from the story and then will just quietly let him get on with his pre-season.

They get paid a lot because they bring in a lot of revenue. It’s not due to anyone’s good graces. – They also sacrifice a lot of opportunities to build much longer lasting careers in civvy street. So comparisons to more regular careers are a bit too shaky, especially re sick leave. – As for the mines, the star performers would get many more chances and leeway than your run of the mill regular joe’s who have a line of people behind them eyeing off their jobs.