Seven talking points from Six Nations Round 4

By Oliver Matthews / Expert

The Six Nations is going down to the wire after a weekend where all the favourites picked up wins.

While a Welsh Grand Slam is still looking likely, there’s a lot to keep other teams very interested.

But more about that later. Before we get ahead of ourselves and talk about next weekend’s climax, there’s a lot to cover off…

Josh Adams is going to set the World Cup on fire
The young Welsh wing is on his way to becoming a world-class winger and with the World Cup just a few months away now and Wales in great form, we will likely get to see a lot of him in Japan.

Against England last week he played a key part in defusing the English kicking game that had caused Ireland and France so many issues in the opening rounds. He also managed to score a great try that showed off his aerial skills.

Against Scotland this past weekend he opened up Wales’ account with a really nicely taken score. He was one on one with the Scottish full back and the best known defender to humankind – the sideline. But in just a 5m space he was able to sidestep the full back, stay in play and finish the move nicely.

He’s a powerful runner and is confident with both ball in hand and in the air making him a key part of the Welsh back three.

If he keeps learning and doesn’t lose that confidence then he is going to be a threat that every defence coach has nightmares about.

(Photo by Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Wales’ secondary defence is really mean
As Wales racked up their 13th victory in a row and came within one more win of Warren Gatland’s third Grand Slam (a record if it happens), there was a lot of talk about how they are able to restrict sides to scoring so few points.

A game against Wales doesn’t usually turn into a slugfest with each side trading try after try in the desperate hope that they’ll score that one more to get the win. Some of Wales’ best wins in the past 12 games have been low-scoring, tight affairs.

So while they do have attacking weapons – just read about Josh Adams above – it’s their defence that is causing opposition teams so many issues.

They do have a good front line defence for sure but perhaps the most impressive piece of the evolution that defence coach Gareth Edwards has overseen is the secondary defence.

When the first line of defence is broken and the opposition break through, the way in which the men in red scramble back, stop the main point of attack and then reorganise themselves to stop the line break becoming a try is really impressive.

It means that if you do penetrate that first line of defence, attacking teams have to be clinical and take advantage straight away.

That requires plenty of support players running good lines, lots of pace and pinpoint accuracy in terms of decision making and execution.

Slip up on any of those and the Welsh will have slowed you right down and you’ll have to start all over again.

Scotland really are a wonderfully average side
And that’s not a compliment! They have ability and talent that come together every few games and they can give even the best in the world a real run for their money.

They’ve torn Australia to ribbons, destroyed England and given New Zealand a scare. But their default level is actually very average.

Many speak about how their coach Gregor Townsend has injected an attacking ambition into the side but the numbers don’t back that up.

In this year’s competition they’ve scored 11 points against Wales, 10 against France and 13 against Ireland. That’s not exactly the performance of a high quality, attacking side. Even more damning, Scotland have scored fewer tries in this championship than Italy.

Scotland have not struggled for possession in the past four games – they’ve had plenty – and they’ve had the territory to go with it.

They are just not able to convert that into points. They seem to be able to get themselves into good positions but once they get to that opposition 22 they are out of ideas and cannot unlock defences.

Yes, they’ve had key players out at different times and Stuart Hogg is still missing. But interestingly the most amazing thing about players like Hogg is the tries they score from long distance and when play opens up from kicking for example. In normal play, they are lacking creativity and threat.

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Does Dan Robson know what Eddie Jones’ plans for him are?
England destroyed Italy this weekend. They used real power with some nice handling touches and ripped the substandard Italians to pieces in Twickenham.

Is anyone surprised? Not really. Was this sort of result predicted? Yup pretty much. So if the result was so likely, wasn’t this a time for Eddie Jones to give game time to key players in his squad?

Dan Robson has been the backup scrum-half to first choice Ben Youngs for the Six Nations but has been given so few minutes in the games – and on some occasions, no minutes at all even when results are beyond doubt.

If Eddie Jones sees Robson – one of, if not the form scrum-half of the British Premiership for a number of years – as the understudy to Ben Youngs for the rest of the year and the World Cup, then why is he not giving him a chance to gain international match experience and start to form genuine partnerships with those around him?

If Jones doesn’t know yet whether Robson is part of the squad for Japan, then why doesn’t he give him some decent game time to help him make up his mind?

And if Jones doesn’t see Robson as a contender for the World Cup then why on earth is he wasting his time in the Six Nations squad?

Are the Irish back?
After a stunning 2018 there was lots of questions about how Ireland will cope with being the hunted and with the pressure of being regarded by so many as the best in the world.

The way they were beaten at home by England in the opening round was evidence some said that they had peaked in 2018.

While the Irish went on to win their next two games over Scotland and Italy, it was still obvious that Ireland were struggling to find that rhythm they are well known for.

But against the French this weekend it felt like some of those key components that had taken them to great heights in 2018 were back and working well again.

The team themselves executed their plans perfectly and built so much pressure on the French in the first half that at times it was almost awkward to watch.

At the halfway point the French had been in the Irish 22 for a total of… five seconds! And that was as a result of a knock on!

The Irish would have wanted to be ahead by more than three tries as a result of all that possession and territory but the way in which they score the points would have felt good.

The line out and driving maul worked well and the partnership between Conor Murray and Johnny Sexton was getting back towards its best.

Sexton specifically had a good game with one highlight being one of his trademark loop plays that not only led to him scoring a try but to two of the French defenders crashing into each other, so confused were they about which man in green had the ball.

The Irish are definitely not back up to their 2018 standards yet. But they are on the way and the Welsh are likely to be wishing they hadn’t met them earlier.

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We need to talk about the R word
In a week where there has been lots of discussion about World Leagues and global international rugby calendars, the topic of relegation has come up time and again.

For the Six Nations this is a touchy subject and apparently both the Scottish and Italian Unions made it clear to World Rugby that they would not support a World League where relegation was on the table.

Now of course it’s hard to get frustrated at these Unions – it’s their job to protect their own players, fans and people rather than grow the global game or the game of Samoa.

But when you look at the Six Nations, and especially the performance of Italy, it’s hard to make a case for their national side to still be in the competition without any threat of relegation.

There’s been plenty of talk about how Georgia are ranked higher up the World Rankings than Italy and just as much about how in their last meeting in November 2018, the Italians won by 11 points.

But think about it this way – if the Italians were at real risk of relegation from the Six Nations, would that change the way they train and play, especially in a do or die game?

Perhaps it would inspire a new level of intensity that can only come from those under genuine threat.

It’s a tough topic and a complex one at that. Dropping Italy from the Six Nations obviously doesn’t just mean that fans from the Home Nations and France will have to come up with other reasons for a long weekend to Rome in February each year.

It’ll have a real impact on revenues for the Italian Rugby Union and potentially game engagement at a time when Italian clubs are starting to perform better on the Pro 14 stage.

But just because it’d be bad for Italy, does that mean that they should be protected?

And the winner is…
There’s one round left and excitingly the top three sides are all in the hunt – when was the last time we could say that about the Rugby Championship?

Wales are definitely the favourites and are in control – they beat Ireland and they win the Grand Slam.

As England found recently, going to Cardiff to play Wales at any time is a brutal road trip but when a Grand Slam is at stake, Ireland are going to be walking into an absolute cauldron with no teflon in sight.

This will be a great test of both sides as they prepare for the World Cup – how do they cope with the pressure of matches like this.

Ireland are building momentum and it’s hard to bet against an Irish side that is in form. They’ve got great players all over the park and crucially their 9, 10 combination is better than the best the Welsh has to offer.

But, again, just as England found, playing the Welsh in Cardiff is something different.

England are also still in with a shout. Their game against Scotland kicks off last and so there is a chance that Wales will have already picked up the trophy.

Of course, if the Welsh draw or lose then the English players will have a chance to win the competition with a victory over Scotland.

If they get the chance you’d have to bet they will do it – in current form the Scottish are not up to coping with England at Twickenham but pressure does different things to different people.

What’s definitely true though is that these high-pressure games are going to be of real value to all three sides as they look to prepare for the big dance later in the year.

The Crowd Says:

2019-03-13T19:29:50+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Cool, take longer, and look up the meaning of comparison, you seem to have missed that class. Sorry to have baffled you. Bit like the rugby huh????

2019-03-13T11:47:25+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Honestly mate, I don't know how you manage to dress yourself. You went away for a whole day to consider my last attempt to help you. And you still come back completely missing that it's all about Fiji and Japan. I'm neither qualified or paid to be a home help. I'm done. You'll be talking to yourself on this one, I won't be back.

2019-03-13T05:00:19+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Oh…And ‘I dont understand why there usnt the same conversation about Argentinas…’ is, yes, you guessed it, a comparison. (Hint… ‘same’) All Im adding, is context.

2019-03-13T04:09:39+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Yes, and being forth amongst a group that has between them seven world cups is a far cry from Italy being sixth amongst others who have a pipe dream at best. If Argentina are spoken of in relegation terms, so should italy, Scotland and France based on this years 6N. You know, the three non SH coached sides.???? As we are ‘comparing’, Argie finished the last world cup higher than every 6N side, the other three the only opponents in their RC tournament. Now, when did Italy do anything within a solar system of that to the RC sides. A bengin comparison.

2019-03-12T23:13:10+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Yes, Carbery injured and Leavy still making his way back from a few months layoff. Maybe he’ll be right for end of season playoffs and finals series in April/May.

2019-03-12T07:22:10+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Spot on Phil. It’s not really relevant to the point I was making. In fact it’s not relevant at all. But don’t worry, it will be relevant to others ;)

2019-03-12T06:59:41+00:00

Phil

Guest


I know it's not really relevant when discussing relegation from 2 different competitions,but Neil,I know who I would back in a game between Italy and Argentina,Not the NH team! Argentina have proved themselves on the world stage many times.When have Italy done anything of note?

2019-03-12T06:07:45+00:00

Faith

Roar Rookie


6N is fascinating in how much drama plays out in games where the skills are so low. France were shocking. How can an international team just lack the wherewithal to exit their 22 for almost half the game. O'Driscoll as commentator seemed to think that France's lack of nous flattered the Irish. Based on what England did to France at home is proof that Ireland are still far from their '18 form. The should have put 50 on France. Wales are just out and out pure grit and Ireland has to really sharpen their attacking nous i.e Earls try from lineout and Sexton loop were great examples of this. But this was against the French. The best of Gatland teams seem to combine great tactics and a never die attitude. If Ireland get caught in a loop of frustration like they did parts of the 1st half against France Wales will slowly build like they did against England and take the Slam

2019-03-12T03:55:28+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Nope, you're still not seeing my point. Not even close. But as always you're seeing yours. It's all in my opening paragraph on the whole subject. I can do no more than reproduce it ... "The ‘R’ word keeps on coming up regarding the Italians and I can understand why given their record and the fact Georgia is actually ranked above them. I don’t quite understand why there isn’t the same conversation regarding Argentina’s position in the RC. Their record is just as miserable in that comp as Italy’s in the 6N. They also have teams like Japan a place below in the rankings and Fiji a place above. You’d think there’d be even more pressure on them, wouldn’t you?" Actually, I'll give you another clue - the point is the world rankings. If we accept neither the RWC or the rankings are perfect in actually measuring teams, but at least the latter has the benefit of better equalising one-off performances, then there are clearly test sides who could have a claim to Argentina's place in the RC, just as Georgia challenge Italy for a place in the 6N. Let me help further - my point is not about comparing Italy with Argentina, or swinging your dic comparing the RC with the 6N, or the merits of relegation and what happens next, or what has happened in a one-off tournament every 4 years. These are all your points.

2019-03-12T01:28:21+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Yeah I do see all that, in fact the use of the 6N and RC as the cornerstone to this new league has all sorts of complications, especially if relegation comes into it. What happens for instance, if England are relegated, or NZ. What do they do at 6N and RC time...move aside and not play their tests? What do their players do? Play club only, or do we really expect them to play the likes of Spain etc etc. The whole thing is flawed, rushed, as were the Super rugby changes. My point was simply that Argentina are not in the same position as Italy in terms of 'being last' in their comp. Italy are and always have been hopeless at this level. Italy don't play world champions reqularly in their comp, and even then they're still poor. Argentina have had it by far tougher than ANY of the 6 nations sides by being in the RC rather than the 6N. And they've proved themselves at World cup time. Ireland, Scotland and Italy never have. Wales, like Arg, have barely, England and France the only real contenders. The fact that the finals in the NH when likelihood is at best they will get one finalist is poor as well. Instant favouritism to the money clangers.

2019-03-12T00:55:43+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


It's no surprise at all that you don't see the comparison. Or Japan and Fiji's point of view as they sit either side of Argentina in the world rankings, as similarly do Georgia with Italy. Or that the RWC has nothing to do with an annual league. Or that you can't tell the difference between an apple and an apple. in fact these days, you never surprise me.

2019-03-12T00:47:42+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Have to agree. But for now, he's our horrible little git.

2019-03-12T00:19:46+00:00

Munsterman

Roar Rookie


I thought it was funny that Eddie Jones brought up that very point about Scotland last year! Here's a man that bad mouths & tries to belittle every team that he comes up against & then after being beaten the angst and the chip on the shoulder comes to the for! Horrible little git

2019-03-12T00:19:27+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Well I don't see the comparison is the same at all. Italy have five countries ahead of them and only one has won the World cup, once, and that was when Italy had only just entered. Argentina have in front of them three sides that have all won the tournament at least twice- EACH. So no, Italy are not in the same position as Argentina. Nor is the 6N a guide or prelude to what might happen at WCup time. The 3N and RC certainly is, proven by the very last world cup. Italy and Arg? Apples and pears.

2019-03-11T23:56:23+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Mate, have another read. I didn't take anything as a criticism, in fact my opening comment on the subject observed I completely understood why Italian relegation would be a conversation. I simply went on to say there could just as easily be a similar conversation around Argentina in the RC. And you are the first to raise any issues of hemispheres criticism or take a position in one - it's got nothing to do with it. Bit touchy hey?

2019-03-11T23:51:47+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Whats happened to Mark Reason, has he awoken from a coma and forgotten his loyalties? He's now a born and bred Saders fan and can't stand the way England play... Wish the real Mark would come back. Not liking all this agreeing with his comments...some things are just...not...right... :-)

2019-03-11T23:01:27+00:00

mzilikazi

Roar Pro


Hi Derm..........yes, Carty looks useful. And Larmour will come to Japan better for any exposure he gets at top level. I assume Joey Carberry is injured ? I really like the way he is developing. And Dan Leavy......when will he play again ?

2019-03-11T22:49:11+00:00

Karl C

Guest


Whilst your comment seemed to be overly defensive regarding possible relegation of Italy. There is to be no criticism of the NH from the south hey?

2019-03-11T22:05:58+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


My point is that I took your point to be that past RWC results mean the Pumas shouldn't be in a relegation from the RC conversation, and I don't necessarily agree with that.

2019-03-11T21:51:30+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Hmmm. Well, of course, it is unfair to highlight both those players and England in this respect. But you did anyway. I think it's far more likely that the team indulged in a pint of proper warm beer.

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