Stop crusading against the Crusaders

Totally fine with whatever the locals decide. Kiwis seem to be commonsense folk. If I had to guess, they'll soften the imagery, and that's probably smart. My guess is it'll affect nothing on the field!

Would love to but with my age and family commitments as well as my own business am pretty embedded here. but ....if forced to I will .

So now it's not only your thoughts.

You appear well equipped with the stock one liners and clichés and nothing cogent, zero, to offer on the subject matter.

"They are doing today what we stopped 200 years ago?" Who on earth is we ??

Hey stillmissit, There's probably millions of Catholics and Protestants in the world today, sorry I don't keep track of em all. As the last IRA or New IRA bombing was Jan 2019 I reckon it still might be an ongoing issue though.

JN hope you move to Australia. I also hope that the baby boomers who fought for the end of apartheid think it was a job well done. I enjoyed my time there and particularly the rugby, it was amazingly competitive but amazingly social. I played in Cape Town, we used to get around 500 cape coloured people watching us train as their families had played for years for the club before apartheid. In my time there were thousands of Africans coming across the border to find work, many leaving their Krall and old life.

All well and good, but I still maintain in these areas the religion is simply being used as a tool to oppress the poor and ignorant, it's not in and of itself the problem. I see this more of a result of the breakdown in society in these areas, rather than whatever happens to be the religion d'jour. We may well find Christian groups doing the same were the S to HTF (as the preppers say) in the western world.

True in principal but why are muslims claiming they are killing in the name of their religion? They are doing today what we stopped 200 years ago?

Ruckin again, Can you point to where catholics are murdering protestants in the world today? Strawmen is one thing being disingenuous is something very different.

Thanks for proving my point Mick

The English language has many words, same spelling but different meaning eg "spot". Crusaders rugby Club by their link and generous support to and from the South Island community has proven many times over the years its respect and love for the local community. We do not enforce change to our Muslim friends way of life and I am not sure this push to remove the Crusaders name from our community has not been requested by the Muslim Community. Lets go forward enjoying a champion sports team whose success to date has in no small way been a direct result of its bonding. To change it's name would be an insult to what it has achieved in such a realitivity short period. Roll on Crusaders

I think there is a great opportunity for the name to be kept but for a much more inclusive and exciting brand to emerge. They should consider the great array of migrants to Christchurch/New Zealand over the centuries and the Crusading spirit of those who have travelled the world in search of a better home. They can start with the Tangata Whenua, like the Ngai Tahu, who rode great sea faring canoes from Hawaiki, through the migrants from Europe who sailed around the world on long voyages, right up to modern times and those from all backgrounds and religions who have moved to Aotearoa to start new lives in a country that welcomes all people. Each people has a Crusading spirit and each would be well represented by a group that has achieved prolonged success through hard work and an excellent team culture. I certainly feel that now is an opportunity to keep the great name but to better represent the ethos and the fans of the Crusaders region.

I reckon they could call em the Cute Cuddly Canterbury Care Bears and they way they play people will still flock to watch em,

This is my second post since a hateful, cowardly man walked into my town and murdered 50 people and attempted to murder 37 more. These were all innocent people. Fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters. It does not matter what the colour of their skin was, where they were born, what religious beliefs they held or what they had for breakfast that day. My community is heart broken. People have not known what to think or say or what to do. To make someone cry in Christchurch three weeks ago all you had to do was give them flowers. For two weeks, as a community, we just seemed to wander from memorial service to vigil and back again. Will my team change its name? I don’t know. What I do know is this is our own business and condemnation from certain journalists writing for Radio New Zealand and the Otago Daily Times is unwelcome and divisive. We want to do the right thing but it is hard to know our own collective feelings when the background noise of accusations from journalists, politicians and other know-it-alls telling us what to think is so loud and strident. I feel everyone is sitting in judgement of us. I hope they don’t force us to rush it. I hope the condemnation stops. I hope. Hope is what we have left. Thank you ‘rebel’ for your condolences.

Sorry Piru that's simply not true in the Middle East. It very much is a dominant religious culture grinding down minorities by any means. You only need to get onto English translated websites of Copts, Assyrians, Yazidis and other minorities to see what the damage is and who is doing it. I was shown around a Yazidi village (they referred to the entire village as a Temple) in northern Iraq a few years ago. At the end the guide (a History and English teacher) explained that there had been 86 documented Genocides agin Yazidis in 1400 years. Now they can't criticise Islam directly - there are nasty consequences of that - so the circumlocution was the 1400 years. Even allowing for the fact that the 86 Genocides may not have all met the 20th Century legal definition of Genocide then it still means 86 Massacres or Pogroms in 1400 years (over 6 per century) and that means some truly sustained, ideological hostility.

Whitebread ? nice racist non sequiter. You must be proud. Personally I find parts of the ideology of Muhammadanism to be outrageously offensive - is that enough to suggest they should never have been allowed to immigrate ? Fortunately most Mohammedans don't appear to live down to them but I can't tell which ones are infected with it and which aren't without careful discussion and being aware of the standard evasions and deflections. I wasn't that particularly sold on the Crusaders moniker at the start and even made the point (to friends and colleagues )about market penetration to Islamic countries being an issue at the start of Super rugby but the continuation of childish comments like yours makes me hope they keep the name and stuff it up you and your ilk. This is a Canterbury issue. Mind your own business. I don't really care if the entire world hates us - we're still intend to win.

"I thought we were better than this" That's mighty pious of you, pilgrim. I see the Nigerian Christians were asking for it, deserved what they got in a fair fight or something. How about 42 offed last November at a Catholic refugee centre in the Central African Republic - was that about title boundaries and council rates too? The 27 murdered in Jolo in January, celebrating Catholic Mass - allocation of car spaces? Another 27 massacred in a Christian village in Beni in the Congo in September '18 - for protesting the new town planning laws? September offered up another 42 in Bria, Christians, mainly women, sliced and diced with machetes. On your way bucko.

Hi Fionn The local Muslim community here in Christchurch are not asking for the Crusaders to change their name. They have found no offense because they understand context. They have also taught us a lesson or to in humanity. They also want to stay out of the debate because they know some meatheads will blame them no matter what happens.