Seven talking points from NRL Round 24

By Scott Pryde / Expert

With one week to go, spots in the top eight are still on the line, after yet another weekend with surprising results across the board, including one big blowout of a top-four side by another. Here are my NRL talking points from Round 24.

Manly will not win the premiership without Tom Trbojevic
Has the race to win the biggest prize in the game on the first Sunday in October just fallen to a four-team shootout?

When Tom Trbojevic left the field during the second half of Manly’s embarrassing loss to the Storm on Saturday night at home, Brookvale Oval held its collective breath.

And while scan results are not back at the time of writing, the signs don’t appear great for Trbojevic and the Manly camp, with Des Hasler stating to the press after fulltime that he had likely ruptured a pec.

That would rub him out for the remainder of the season and finals campaign, and even if it’s not as bad as it seems, he is still unlikely to take part in Manly’s first finals game.

Basically, it’s the worst result the Sea Eagles could have imagined at this time of year – get absolutely thrown out the back door by the Storm in a beatdown at home, and lose your best player to a likely long-term injury which, at its worst, may not only affect the finals this season, but the 2020 pre-season.

Trbojevic is integral to the Sea Eagles. From his defensive work, safety under the high ball, huge runs to start sets, excellent reading of the game to always be popping up in support, his positioning for attacking plays, or just the ability to chase Daly Cherry-Evans’ excellent high kicking game and put pressure on opposition back threes, he has it all.

And without him, Manly lose a huge chunk of what has made them who they are this season.

While they may not have won the competition even with Trbojevic, they were at least in a position to challenge those sides in the top four.

If they can turn games into a grind and out arm-wrestle them, then the Sea Eagles are still a chance of making something of the finals, but without Tom Trbojevic, they don’t have the X-Factor or skill to win this competition.

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The Raiders might just need a week off
There is plenty to write about from Sunday afternoon’s thriller in the Shire between the Sharks and Raiders.

Everything from the Sharks goal kickers letting them down again, to the tenacity of both forward packs, to field goals being taken way too early and just how good it’s going to be to have suburban grounds back in the finals.

But the point I’m going to roll with is just how the Raiders might need a week off in Week 2 of the finals.

This is more of a hunch than anything else, and it’s certainly not the be-all and end-all, and in a game that goes to golden point, both teams are likely to be looking run off their feet by the end.

But the Raiders, for mine, over the last few weeks, have just looked a little on the tired side. This isn’t a criticism of the club, and their run of games recently, where they have had the Roosters, Storm, Sea Eagles and now the Sharks on the road is about as tough as it gets at this point of the season, so it’s hardly a surprise.

And there is no shame in it. This is a club who have played a high level for most of the season and are now almost certain of finishing in the top four.

But they must make the most of that top-four berth, or they could be out in straight sets, much the same way Parramatta were last year.

It looks like they may avoid a trip to Melbourne, but at this point, there won’t be much difference in playing the Storm or Roosters. Both are arduous tasks, and backing up a loss against either of those two against a confident winning side the following week under heavy pressure and fatigue will be a really tough ask.

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2020 is make or break for Nathan Cleary
The Panthers 2019 season, even for the most pessimistic of Panthers fans, has fallen well short of expectations.

Coming into the season, making the top eight in the first year under new returned coach Ivan Cleary should have been the absolute bare minimum benchmark.

Making the top four should have been the primary aim.

And yet, with the exception of a fairly solid run during the Origin window, as well as the emergence of yet more fresh young talent at the foot of the mountains, the season has slumped from one disaster to the next, to the point where they are now destined to miss the finals.

That, at the start of the year, should have been an unthinkable, unimaginable scenario, and yet here we are. At their best, they have been a strong footy side, capable of matching it with the best.

However, the gap between their best and their worst has been large. Like an awkward person at a party, the best of the Panthers hid in the corner until the big guns went away for Origin, and then has sunk back to the corner when they returned.

While 2019 is going to be all but a write off after their awful loss to the understrength Roosters on Saturday evening, they can’t let that be the lasting legacy of a tough season.

First and foremost, Ivan Cleary stamped his authority as the boss. He had no problems dropping players and giving young fringe guys like Brent Naden, Brian To’o, Mitch Kenny and Liam Martin big opportunities and rolls to fill.

Those guys will all be better for the chances they have had throughout the season.

Secondly, Penrith need to realise they have had some crucial injuries at bad times. That’s footy and everyone gets them, but their depth heading into next season is looking better than what it did this season.

But the biggest point for the Panthers is Nathan Cleary.

While he has had an inconsistent season, he is on big money, a long deal and now has two Origin series under his belt.

With James Maloney saying Au Revoir and taking his leave to France, this has to be Nathan Cleary’s team next year. No ifs, no buts. What he dished up against the Roosters on Saturday suggests he isn’t ready to make that jump.

But he doesn’t have a choice. He will be partnered by a young guy in Jarome Luai, and must find a way to make this team his own.

If he doesn’t, 2020 will end the same way as 2019, and the Panthers administration might be looking for ways to rid not one, but two Cleary’s from the club.

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What can Brisbane do in the finals?
There has been some fairly nonsense talk that the Broncos are “just making up the numbers” as the finals get underway next weekend.

Of course, there are still some scenarios where they could miss the eight altogether, but at this point, it seems fairly unlikely for that to happen, and of course, beating the Bulldogs next weekend will put them into September action no matter what.

So, taking it that the Broncos will make the finals, what can they do?

The big thing to remember here is that the finals are a completely new season.

Last year, the Dragons were given no chance and beat the Broncos in Brisbane (and yes, this whole point was just a poor excuse to bring that game up again).

But, back to more serious issues. The Cowboys were given no chance in 2017 and made the grand final after overcoming the Sharks in the first week.

There are more stories like that stretching back through the years, and while you’d be right to not expect the Broncos to go the journey, writing them off from winning in Week 1 would be madness.

There is no disputing they are getting things together at the back end of the year. The men from Red Hill are adapting to Anthony Seibold’s ways, their young forwards are growing in stature, and they have learned how to play with Anthony Milford at the back.

Some talk has been made about how the Eels are a dark horse for the competition, but the Broncos outplayed them for all of about the first hour on Friday night, and given they have now won three of their last four, as well as being competitive in the other one of those games, they are now learning how to compete and win games of rugby league.

The way Payne Haas has burst onto the scene and continued his rapid development has been impressive, while guys like Joe Ofahengaue and Tevita Pangai Junior are also starting to become consistent.

I’m not for a moment trying to tell you the Broncos can win the competition. That isn’t this year’s dream, even for the optimistic Broncos fan.

But their finals run in 2019, so long as they make it, will be crucial to the plight of the club in 2020 from a big-match experience point of view to their long list of young guns.

And if they can win a game, they will be all the better for it.

Do not doubt for a moment they can do just that.

(Photo by Jono Searle/Getty Images)

Melbourne’s new spine can take them to the title
The Storm nursery just keeps on producing talent. When you have Scott Drinkwater leaving the club for an opportunity and Ryan Papenhuyzen forcing Jahrome Hughes into the halves and Brodie Croft out of the side altogether, you can be certain things are moving in the right direction.

However, there has been a noticeable change in the Melbourne attacking system since those changes came into effect last week against the Gold Coast Titans.

I was hesitant to write anything last weekend, because, at the end of the day, that was only beating up on the Titans, and even my Dragons can do that, although that comment may come back to bite next weekend.

But beating up on Manly at Brookvale in those circumstances with both Hughes and Papenhuyzen putting in excellent performances just goes to show Craig Bellamy knows what he is doing – who would have guessed, right?

It’s been hard to write anything critical about the Storm this year, given the way they have played, but the one that has popped up now and again is that they simply don’t have the extra gear with the footy that the Roosters do.

What we have seen over the last fortnight is that, with Papenhuyzen at the back, they do in fact, have that extra gear.

Relying on so many young guys in the finals will be tough, but if there is a coach who can keep them ticking, it’s Bellamy.

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South Sydney still clunky, but make the statement they had to
While this was the second straight victory for the Rabbitohs, their trek to Auckland was the game where they made a statement they simply couldn’t wait any longer to make.

Sure, they still weren’t perfect. There was some general sloppiness and a period where Wayne Bennett’s side slacked off before halftime and let a couple of tries in, meaning the Warriors went to the sheds almost level despite an ordinary, conservative first half.

Good teams. Really good teams, that is, don’t do that.

But Souths probably aren’t in that category. They are only one rung down, and Friday’s win moves them closer to the top notion again, but they still have a lot to prove before the finals kick into gear, and their game against the Roosters next weekend as they try to lock up a top-four spot is of vital importance to the men from Redfern.

What we do know about the Rabbitohs is that they have the talent to win the competition.

Cameron Murray is the man to lead the way, but they are going to get Thomas and George Burgess back for September, as well as James Roberts, while Sam Burgess is also there in a strong forward pack.

But more importantly, the pack they had on Friday started playing direct once again. This is something they have failed to do during the tough times, and it’s hurt them, with Cody Walker and Damien Cook’s form falling away.

Their form is generated mainly by that ability to play fast, direct footy, and while beating the Warriors may not be the best indicator, going to Auckland is never an easy task, so for the Bunnies to start turning things around over there in ordinary conditions is a good sign.

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Newcastle fans vote with their feet
Full disclaimer before we go any further: I get it. It was raining sideways, wet, windy, and playing a team who wouldn’t trouble most reserve grade sides at the moment.

So I get it. The crowd was always going to be fairly low by Newcastle’s usual standards.

But I hold major doubts that it would have been as bad as it was without all the rubbish that went on in the Hunter during the week.

We don’t need to go over it again. What happened to Nathan Brown, the board, the fans and between Brown and the players has already been discussed at length.

But no matter how untenable the position of Brown was going to be long-term, sacking a coach who has helped rebuild the club and have them in contention for the finals with important, live games still to play seems a crazy decision, and it obviously got on the wrong sides of fans in Newcastle.

Their lowest crowd in two decades, as well as the lowest ever on old boys day showed up to greet the side and watch their thrashing of the Titans in the ugly weather.

I would never pay out without reason on the Newcastle fan base, but when they have turned up like they have for years to watch their team try and fail time and time again to get off the bottom of the ladder, but then don’t turn up for a game which they could still make the finals on the back of just doesn’t make sense.

Newcastle fans don’t normally let a little bit of weather or poor opposition bother them, but apparently, a crazy decision from the board and lack of care for the fans in explaining it has got the goat up.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 24? Drop a comment below and let us know.

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The Crowd Says:

2019-09-03T12:03:44+00:00

Macho

Guest


Sutton refereed another close one so will undoubtedly get the GF. Cummins will have to lift his game with another blowout but he couldn't help Manlys lame game.

2019-09-03T01:13:29+00:00

Stormy

Roar Rookie


The Storm's new spine can, possibly, take us all the way, but I think we still have a glaring weakness. All the blame for right side defensive lapses has fallen on Croft. Am I the only one who has noticed the number of handling errors & dumb penalties conceded by Vunivalu in the last several weeks? We have been playing, mainly, left side, but, we can't keep doing that & beat teams like the Roosters. I don't think we have an endless supply of wingers as well as full backs. Don't know what the answer is.

2019-09-02T07:38:30+00:00

Noosa Duck

Roar Rookie


One thing I got out of it was the obvious that if you take Cameron Smith out of the Storm they will struggle to win .....do not know if they will rest him this weekend considering their position is secure. Love him or hate him Cameron is such a great organiser and director of that team without him I think they will struggle.

2019-09-02T06:16:25+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


Saab jumped forward over the Souths defenders who moved in quickly. They played the man before he got the ball. Providing effective cover is obstruction unless you can look like you're going for the ball. As is often the case in all high kicks taking out the catcher or spoiling the catch is a better bet than trying to catch it because they don't get penalised. It is a problem area that needs to be fixed but with bombs at the end of many sets you could get a penalty with each bomb. Penalising the obstructers but the problem is they occur on both sides. Bombs are a terrible part of the game and they should be banned.

2019-09-02T06:01:43+00:00

DaveR

Guest


Disagree souvalis, that might have been the case 3-4 weeks ago, but the Storm are back and better with the new lineup. And Kamikamica didnt even get a run - a second fearsome weapon after Solomona.

2019-09-02T05:57:44+00:00

DaveR

Guest


Joe, Storm looked horrible in the first half against the Titans as nothing worked in the new Hughes-Pap combinations - except Solomona who just wanted to run through them. It got a lot better in the 2nd half as things worked out, but lucky for Storm it was the Titans who gave them time and room to work it out. The big deal is the Storm had it all going against Manly from the word go. Major transformation from the previous week.

2019-09-02T05:53:25+00:00

DaveR

Guest


Sad to see the injury to T Turbo occur the way it did, facing the wrong way but he stuck his arm out to stop the player running past - maximum leverage on the pectoral muscle.

2019-09-02T05:32:54+00:00

Larry1950

Guest


Instability is death, as the finalists are all but settled that is the lesson. - Tyrone May destabilised the panthers enough to derail their top 8 chances - Scott Bolton provided an unwanted distraction to the Cowboys season & they're gone - Jake de Belin completely took the wind out of the sails of a ready to falter dragons & they're lucky not to be wooden spooners - The hierarchy at the Knights dilly-dallied with Brown & the team put in a shocker to crash out of contention -Flanagan disrupted the early season for the Sharks & they've struggled ever since with a 50-50 chance of crashing out.

2019-09-02T04:23:21+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


I get what you are saying, but to me that's still not prepared. Saab jumped forward over the pack and should have had more protection, considering even a short kick has to go over defender heads they could all, legitimately, jump or just stand there to provide effective cover. In a short kick you should have your talls in the front line and be jumping back to your goal line and if you miss or tap back there is no knock on and you have a better chance to retain the ball.

2019-09-02T03:35:13+00:00

Mango Jack

Roar Guru


Manly hating Blues fans are sheepishly delighted. Just get him fit for Origin next year, will ya Des!

2019-09-02T03:06:04+00:00

John

Guest


That is a monstrosity of a call, the last thing you want to do is to cover up the taste of the meat with curry. Now if you roasted it, Cantonese style, I think that would be the proper way to humanely treat it.

2019-09-02T02:53:11+00:00

catcat

Roar Rookie


The weather was rotten up here in Newcastle on Saturday. It was raining all day here even though Sydney was dry. The game was against the Titans who I have no interest in watching. Combine that with all the other issues with the club then its really no surprise a small crowd turned up.

2019-09-02T02:53:09+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


The Dragons were prepared for the short kick-off but they didn't expect the Souths player to jump into the dragon just as he was jumping up for the ball. His outstretched arms over the top of the Souths obstructer could only touch the ball as he was pushed back. Souths got the ball but the refs didn't think it worth a penalty. Players jumping up for the player and not the ball happens all the time and rarely gets penalised. It must be difficult for the referees to decide if a player is not going for the ball but I think it is common. Souths got lucky against the team that is now 15th on the ladder.

2019-09-02T02:43:44+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Only if the injury is Smith or Munster !

2019-09-02T02:36:42+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Hard to argue with that souvalis. It really has been the Chooks & the Storm all year with the Raiders in the much improved column, and the Bunnies battling to remain in the four thanks to their 9 & 13. The Chooks have the better balanced outfit with attacking options galore , but the Storm have Smith & Munster and an experienced bunch of soldiers who can always be relied on to perform to script. The Raiders can provide one upset possibly in the finals, but not two. I can't see the Bunnies worrying the other three.

2019-09-02T02:25:41+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Hughes is very adaptable, as he is quick, as good hands , a good short kicking game and a tough defender. He could play anywhere in their backline. He has already stiffened up the Storm's dodgy right side defence. And Cam Smith respects his ability. He is surely their best option at 7 on the right side with Munster on the other side. Both are running halves with Smith calling the shots from the middle, at dummy half or from first receiver at times. My only queries with the Storm, assuming Munster is OK, are some defensive questions around Vunivalu and Paps at the back.

2019-09-02T02:24:40+00:00

Big Daddy

Guest


Your last comment is maybe the most interesting one. I think a lot of people still have their noses out of joint with the Wests group buying the knights and getting rid of the old board. The old board initially contracted Brown in September 2015 and then when Wests took them over in 2017 they reviewed Brown's contract. Gardiner may not be the most popular guy at the club be has a job to do. Getting the push is difficult but if you hark back to the days pre Wests things were pretty awkward. I still don't think things will get any easier with a new coach unless he makes finals particularly from a fans and old boys point of view.

2019-09-02T02:23:42+00:00

Noosa Duck

Roar Rookie


DP, You may well find the unification process at the dogs is going to be the key to ongoing success and Pay is part of that process but yes, agreed,they will want and quite rightly expect to be well and truly knocking on the door next year. But we do know they still have salary cap issues from the previous admin so they will have limitations. However Pay has done a pretty good job with limited salary cap and it may be a lesson to others, that big money players do not necessarily give you a great team. Building from within can be a better long term process. There is also a huge difference at the Tigers under Maguire and considering the limitations they have in the forwards dept have done really well. Dragons, Warriors, Titans well what can you say but I think in all of those 3 cases the problems have been created from Management levels inept or inexperienced CEO's and I would suggest that is also a huge factor in the Newcastle problem because last night both John Quail & Danny Buderis both resigned from the Newcastle Knights advisory committee. The fact that the CEO Gardner has gone behind peoples backs has become a huge issue up there. As for my Chooks & the Storm, as Cooper Cronk said when he first arrived at the Roosters , the similarity in professionalism at both clubs is outstanding and neither club is prepared to accept second best and that is why they are where they are. I do not know anything about Melbourne people but I know that Politis is the ultimate professional when it comes to business administration and learnt in the early days of his business career that if you want success you have the best people around you to get the job done.

2019-09-02T02:14:37+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Am I a monster for thinking how much I would pay for this you fella covered in a Thai red curry?

2019-09-02T02:10:24+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Murray provides everything to the Bunnies chances. His defence is crucial and you notice the difference when he is off the field, whilst his attacking prowess especially his quick play the balls get the whole team energised . Cook especially needs him to perform.

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