Qualifying finals: The real contenders (and the real pretenders)

By Tim Gore / Expert

I don’t want to burst the bubbles of the Eels, Sea Eagles, Broncos and Sharks fans, but the stats clearly show that you are just making up the numbers.

You’ve battled all season just to make the finals and now that you’ve made it is hard to hear that you are one of the beauty pageant contestants who is going to have to fake smile, clap and – god forbid – hug those being called to the podium, and have to stand there while they take the adulation.

However, that’s the reality of your situation.

Here are some very harsh and clear statistics from the last 20 seasons of the NRL. Of the 80 preliminary final spots since 1999, only 16 (20 per cent) have been taken by sides who finished the season in fifth to eighth spot on the ladder.

Of the 40 grand final spots since 1999, only six (15 per cent) have been taken by the sides in the bottom half of the top eight. And of course, of the 20 premiers, none have come from the fifth, sixth, seventh or eighth spot.

The Roosters lift the trophy in 2018. (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

However, I know – like myself – lots of you will still be clinging to some vague hope that maybe your boys will be the ones to break the duck.

If one is to do it, he odds are best that it will be either the Eels or Manly as in nine of the 14 occasions (64.3 per cent) since the McIntyre Finals system was scrapped, the sides in fifth and sixth spot have won at home in the elimination finals.

Boding very poorly for the Sea Eagles is that in four of the five occasions that the side with the home advantage has been eliminated, it has been the sixth placed side. With Tom Trbojevic, Martin Taupau and Joel Thompson out, that result is again looking likely this weekend.

While fifth has only lost to eighth once since 2012, I reckon Sunday’s elimination final at Bankwest Stadium is anyone’s match.

But it is all really just like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic really as the most damning statistic is that no side in the NRL era has won the premiership from outside the top four.

In fact, only three teams – the Raiders in 1989, the Broncos in 1993 and the Bulldogs in 1995 – have won the premiership from the sudden death placings.

Here is how each position on the ladder after the home-and-away season has fared in the finals over the past 20 seasons:

Ladder position Number of times in Grand Final Number of times Premier
1st 16 7
2nd 8 4
3rd 6 6
4th 4 3
5th 1 0
6th 3 0
7th 0 0
8th 2 0

From this the odds are incredibly good that the minor premier, the Storm, will feature in this year’s decider. Further, if the Rabbitohs make the big dance, the odds are superb that they’ll prevail as a third-placed side is yet to be beaten in a grand final in the NRL era.

While I genuinely believe that the Sharks are the only side in the bottom half of the eight that can genuinely challenge for the premiership, no side has yet made the decider from seventh spot, let alone won it.

For the trainspotters among you, here are the ladder combinations that have played off in the last 20 deciders:

Combination Number of occasions occurred
1st vs 2nd 7
1st vs 3rd 4
1st vs 4th 2
1st vs 6th 2
1st vs 8th 1
2nd v 3rd 1
3rd v 6th 1
4th v 5th 1
4th v 8th 1

It is interesting to note that the grand final has never featured second versus fourth or third versus fourth combinations.

Now to the serious business: do any of you really see anyone beating either the Storm or the Roosters?

Let’s be clear: after the Tricolours and the Purple Horde, comes daylight.

Sure, the Rabbitohs and the Raiders have a decent statistical chance of winning the premiership as nine of the 20 premiers have been claimed from spots three and four, but to do it they’ll really need to win this weekend.

Why? Because the statistics say so, that’s why.

Only eight (20 per cent) of the last forty grand finalists have lost in Week 1 of the finals. Of those eight, four (again, 20 per cent) have won the premiership: Storm 1999, Bulldogs 2004, Broncos 2006 and Cowboys 2015. The latter is the only team to do so post the McIntyre finals system.

However, there is an 80 per cent likelihood that the sides playing in this weekend’s qualifying finals will also feature in the preliminary finals. In total, 26 of the 28 preliminary final spots (92.85 per cent) that have been claimed since the McIntyre system was abandoned have been taken by the sides that finished in the top four.

So the qualifying finals are clearly where the action is at this weekend.

Roosters versus Rabbitohs

7:50pm Friday 13 September
Sydney Cricket Ground

Why the Roosters are going to win
Two words: James Tedesco. He’s the best player in the game right now.

He doesn’t just have X-Factor. He’s Automatic. He’s systematic. He’s hydromatic. He’s greased lighting.

I’ve watched up close this season as Jack Wighton has regularly targeted and smashed attacking threats in his opposing teams. In the fourth minute of the Raiders Round 21 match against the Roosters I watched Wighton call that he had Tedesco.

Can the Roosters go back-to-back? (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

And he did. He totally had the bearded lad from Camden covered. But then Tedesco – like Wez in Mad Max 2 – turned on the nitrous and left Wighton grasping at thin air. Moments later Cam Murray touched down for a try. In the same game Tedesco put on a beautiful play that sent Daniel Tupou over untouched.

In previous seasons you could have written those actions off as nothing too special as the Raiders defence was poor. Not this year though. This year the Raiders defence has been superb, averaging just 15.6 points conceded a game.

Tedesco is just superb-er. He leads the NRL in average running metres, as well as tackle breaks.

He is the shining star in a brilliant Roosters backline. It is all killer, no filler. While the Storm forward pack is the competition benchmark, the Tricolours backs are the stand out of the NRL.

And while we are on the subject, that Cooper Cronk bloke is pretty damn good too.

While the Roosters lost to the Bunnies just last week, the Rabbitohs had Sam Burgess and Dane Gagai on the field – which won’t be the case this Friday – and the Roosters didn’t have Luke Keary, Brett Morris, Siosiua Taukeiaho or Mitch Aubusson.

The only attacking statistic the Rabbitohs better the Roosters in is completion rates. Bizarrely the Roosters are the worst completers in the NRL this year. Who’da thunk it?

In defence the Rabbitohs actually get awarded more penalties and concede fewer than the Tricolours. Apart from that though, the Roosters best the Rabbitohs in all other defensive stats too.

This will be the 244th game between these two foundation sides that started their fierce rivalry on May 16th, 1908.

The last time the Roosters lost three in a row to the Rabbitohs was way back in 1988.

Head to head
Roosters Rabbitohs
111 126

To date there have also been six drawn matches.

Venue head to head
Roosters Rabbitohs
23 22

Before their Round 1 clash at the SCG this year, the last time these two sides met at the SCG was in 1993. So this stat has little relevance…

Finals head to head
Roosters Rabbitohs
5 6

Would you believe that this is only the 12th final between these two sides in 111 years? I find that amazing. The record stands at one a piece in this decade.

Season home record Vs Season away record
Roosters Rabbitohs
9-3 8-4

The Roosters have the barest of advantages in this regard. Further, doesn’t the SCG precinct border on Redfern? It’s not exactly a massive home ground advantage…

Finals experience can have a big impact on the outcome of these games. The Roosters have over double the experience of the Bunnies. Further, the Cardinal and Myrtle have four finals debutants to the Roosters two:

Roosters Finals games Rabbitohs Finals games
Tedesco 3 Doueihi 0
Tupou 14 Johnston 7
Mitchell 4 Roberts 5
Manu 3 Graham 3
Morris 13 Allan 0
Keary 9 Walker 3
Cronk 35 Reynolds 12
Radley 3 Murray 3
Cordner 12 Sutton 12
Aubusson 19 Su’A 0
Liu 12 Knight 0
Verills 0 Cook 5
Warea-Hargreaves 14 Tatola 1
Crichton 3 Lowe 10
Tetevano 4 Britt 2
Butcher 0 T. Burgess 7
Taukeiaho 8 Nicholls 2
Total 156 Total 72

Why the Rabbitohs can win
There are a couple of stats in the Bunnies favour.

Home vs top four versus away vs top four
Roosters Rabbitohs
1-2 2-0

The Rabbitohs beat the Roosters and the Raiders away from home. The Roosters lost to the Rabbitohs and the Storm but beat the Raiders (although that home game was at Suncorp Stadium…)

Home for and against vs away for and against
Roosters Rabbitohs
376-145 254-210
31.3 – 12.1 (home avg score) 21.2 – 17.5 (away avg score)
26.1 – 15.1 (season avg score) 21.7 – 17.4 (season avg score)
18.5 – 19.6 (average score Vs top four) 18.5 – 16 (average score Vs top four)

If the Rabbitohs have a chance it is shown in both sides average scores against top four sides. If those average scores play out the Rabbitohs will win by two points.

However, if the average home-and-away scores play out – as I suspect they will in the absence of Sam Burgess and Dane Gagai – the Roosters will take the game 33–16.

Roosters by 13+

(Photo: Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Storm versus Raiders

5:45pm, Saturday 14 September
AAMI Park, Melbourne

Why the Storm are going to win
There is some history between these sides. Mostly it is a history of the Storm beating the Raiders.

This Saturday evening’s fixture at AAMI Park looks like more of the same. The bookies currently have the Storm at $1.40 to beat the Raiders. The shortest odds for a margin is for the Storm to win by 13+.

The Raiders were unlikely victors at this venue four weeks ago, handing the Storm just their fourth loss of the year, as well as their biggest, beating them by a paltry four points.

The Raiders head to Melbourne to take on the Storm in finals action. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

The Storm’s four losses have been by a combined total of just eight points. The Roosters, Sharks, Sea Eagles and Raiders have all managed to grind out wins, but not one was convincing.

The Storm are no one’s bitch. And they aren’t going to be.

Their points conceded of just 300 all up for the season equates to just 12.5 points conceded per game. That is the equal fifth best points conceded for the home-and-away season in the NRL era.

Team Year Points conceded Premier?
Storm 2007 277 Yes
Storm 2008 282 No
Eels 1999 294 No
Dragons 2010 299 Yes
Roosters 2015 300 No
Storm 2019 300 ?
Storm 2016 302 No
Storm 2011 308 No
Broncos 1998 310 Yes

However, as you can see, that stat doesn’t necessarily equate to grand final glory. Five of those sides didn’t win the premiership, three of them didn’t even make the grand final.

As well, the Storm’s paltry four losses for the home-and-away season is the equal second-best season record in the NRL era.

Team Year Losses Premier?
Storm 2007 3 Yes*
Storm 2019 4 ?
Storm 2017 4 Yes
Storm 2006 4 No
Eels 2001 4 (2 draws as well) No
Storm 2016 5 No
Storm 2011 5 No

*Premiership stripped from Storm for breaching the salary cap

Again, a great record in the home-and-away season hasn’t always translated into premierships.

However, in the last two decades winning the minor premiership is a distinct advantage for making the grand final.

Of the 40 positions that have been available in the grand finals, 16 of them have been taken by the sides that finished first at the end of the home-and-away season. Only four times since 1999 has the minor premier not played in the decider: 1999, 2005, 2009 and 2015.

Further, only once during that time has the minor premier failed to play in the preliminary finals: The Dragons in 2009.

So things are pretty well set up for the Storm. To further bolster their case they are playing a side that has pretty much been under Melbourne Storm’s thumb since Raiders’ old boy and 1990 premiership player Craig Bellamy took the helm of the Purple Horde in 2003.

Canberra have had a great start to 2019. (AAP Image/Rohan Thompson)

Coming fourth, as the Raiders have, is the least credentialled of the top-four spots. Four times the fourth-placed side has made the decider and three times they have won it: the Roosters in 2002, Wests Tigers in 2005 and the Storm in 2009.

While 80 per cent of the time the sides that have finished in the top four also contested the preliminary finals, of the 16 times they haven’t, the fourth placed side has missed out six of them. The first placed side has only missed the preliminary finals once: the Dragons in 2009.

The records are virtually all in Melbourne’s favour:

Head to head
Melbourne Raiders
32 12

Unsurprisingly the Storm have won 72.7 per cent of the matches between the two sides. That’s actually better than Cam Smith’s overall win ratio with the Storm of 71.57 per cent.

Head to head: Bellamy era
Melbourne Raiders
26 7

That record gets even better if you just look at the Bellamy era. The win ratio goes to 78.8 per cent.

Venue head to head
Melbourne Raiders
5 4

However, at this venue the Raiders have had some success with four wins from their nine visits. The Storm have won four of the last five at AAMI Park though.

Finals head to head
Melbourne Raiders
3 0

These sides have met in three finals – in 1998, 2003 and 2016 – and the Storm have won all three.

Home for and against vs Away for and against
Melbourne Raiders
311-170 300-174
26-14.1 (home avg score) 25-14.5 (away avg score)
26.3-12.5 (season avg score) 21.8-15.6 (season avg score)
20 – 16.2 (average score Vs top four) 17.2 – 22.6 (average score Vs top four)

The Storm’s home for and against is practically identical to the Raiders away for and against for the season, with the Storm having a slight edge. The figures point to a Storm win by two points or so.

Player finals experience plays a big factor in big matches and the Storm have far more of it.

Storm Finals games Raiders Finals games
Papenhuyzen 0 Nicoll-Klokstad 0
Vunivalu 9 Cotric 0
Chambers 18 Croker 6
Olam 0 Leilua 9
Addo-Carr 6 Rapana 3
Munster 11 Wighton 4
Hughes 0 Sezer 3
Finucane 19 Tapine 3
Kaufusi 6 Bateman 0
K. Bromwich 13 Whitehead 3
Asofa-Solomona 8 Soliola 5
Smith 36 Hodgson 3
J. Bromwich 19 Papalii 5
B. Smith 3 Simonsson 0
Kamikamica 0 Lui 2
King 0 Horsburgh 0
Stimson 3 Sutton 0
Total 151 Total 46

The Storm have five of their 17 for whom this is their finals debut. That includes their fullback and half back. The Raiders have six of their squad for whom this will be their first taste of NRL finals. Of those debutants, two have played in a Challenge Cup final at Wembley and one has played Origin.

However, anyway you look at it, the Storm have three times the finals experience.

Where the Storm are going to win this game statistically?

There isn’t a team attacking statistic that the Raiders are better at than the Storm. That’s not to say the Raiders attacking stats are bad. They aren’t. The Storm’s attacking stats are just better.

In regards to defence, the Raiders are awarded more penalties and concede fewer offloads than the Purple Horde. Apart from that, the Storm are better in every single defensive team statistic. The Raiders defence is very good but the Storm’s is awesome.

While the Raiders’ pack has been excellent this season, the Storm’s pack is the competition benchmark. While the loss of Christian Welch was quite a blow, the “sharkbait” exponents know how to rip and grind better than anyone.

Josh Papalii scores a try, but it was the Raiders defence which summed up their Round 19 effort. (Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

Why the Raiders can win
Why not? At very worst they have Bradbury’s chance of winning: they are in the race and still on their feet. As well, unlike previous seasons, this Raiders side has real grit. Josh Papalii, John Bateman, Josh Hodgson and Elliott Whitehead are not scared or intimidated by anyone in purple. They’ll give as good as they get.

Further, while the Storm have only lost four games this season, three of them have been at home. Their home record is identical to the Raiders’ away record, almost to the points scored and conceded.

Season home record vs Season away record
Melbourne Raiders
9-3 9-3
311-170 300-174

Further, the Storm’s 2019 record at home against top four sides is surprisingly bad, while the Raiders away record to top four sides is OK.

Home vs top four vs Away vs top four
Melbourne Raiders
0-2 1-1

The Storm have played two games against the other top four sides at AAMI Park – against the Roosters and the Raiders – and they lost them both with a cumulative for and against 28-33.

The Raiders have played two away games against the Storm and the Roosters for a win and a loss – notably the Raiders for and against from those encounters is 46-48.

It is interesting to note that the Raiders worst score conceded this season is 30 points. The last season in which the Raiders boasted that record was in 1994.

Where the Raiders going to win this game statistically?

If the Raiders are to win this game it will be on the back of creating something special in attack. For a side that was known for flashy attack for years, the Green Machine have certainly put that cue in the rack this season.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

They have specialised in gritty, grinding, street fights. However, just like when Mickey called for Rocky to switch back to southpaw against Apollo Creed, maybe the Raiders have the ability to turn the razzle dazzle on again?

The Storm don’t like unpredictability. It doesn’t align with the programming of the Borg. Just like the Master Builders in the Lego Movie unnerving President Business, random play upsets the Storms metronome.

While Joey Leilua has a few brain explosions in him, he is also the sort of unpredictable player – as are John Bateman, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad and Jordan Rapana – that can upset the Storm’s apple cart.

However, coach Stuart will know all too well that the Storm feed on your errors and that flashy play can lead to errors. So the likelihood is that this will be a grinding match, and while the Raiders have shown they can grind really well this year, nobody grinds like the Storm.

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Put simply, the Storm is going to win this game on the back of their stingy, dedicated and fanatically ordered defence.

Storm by 2.

The Crowd Says:

2019-09-14T20:10:08+00:00

MadgicSH

Roar Rookie


The ONLY wise man in the game - Peter Sterling - said recently "statistics are a record of the past NOT a prediction of the future". Words to live by! :stoked:

2019-09-14T19:57:37+00:00

MadgicSH

Roar Rookie


But it DID! Please explain?

2019-09-14T19:53:10+00:00

MadgicSH

Roar Rookie


Do you have a crystal ball to help your vision or did it come to you in a dream that the winning try would be from a Leilua pass to Bateman? Congratulations - best analysis I have seen this year. ????????????????

2019-09-14T03:28:07+00:00

Footy Fan

Guest


Steve, some good points re that first game of the season being an important win, not having an excuse whether the chooks have the 'cavalry' in or out, Jarryd not adding much, and Friday the 13th being a very bad omen for them. Think we can put down to bad luck seeing Jarryd hit 120m by 19th minute and the Cooks squeaking into the prelim with a week's rest. Cheers

2019-09-13T13:37:50+00:00

Ken

Guest


Necks bent an ears pulled lol , Smurf Souths supporter I’ll raise you a eye gouge, elbowed to the throat an back of the head , hair pull an crusher , oh my don’t you get tired throwing mud when you’re own team is covered in it , as for the “ ear pull ?” The worst you could say was it was a rough ear rub using the guys collar for a second ???? , Enjoy supporting another team in the finals since your team just got destroyed , I actually rang the police to report a serious Assault ???? , watching your players picking themselves off the ground after another roosters try lol , your just making the numbers mate , sit down an let the big boys play lol.

2019-09-13T09:49:47+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


If Souths go out, and that's still a BIG IF, I'd prefer to see the Raiders win the title over the other 2 top 4 sides. Even if it will make a Uni-toaster happy.

2019-09-13T07:53:19+00:00

Chris

Roar Pro


I'd be backing the Raiders if the Storm were to choke horrendously- everyone's sentimental favorites I guess. As long as it's not Cronulla, Roosters or Brisbane, I'd be happy, for various personal reasons. Agreed re. supplemental question- the sides that have beaten the Storm this year have all employed quick play-the-balls, unpredictable ball movement and put pressure on Smith and Munster- which all top 4 teams in particular are very, very capable of doing.

2019-09-13T05:34:30+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


So let me ask you a similar question. If the Storm get eliminated which team out of "the 3 R's" would YOU prefer to see win the premiership? The Rabbitohs, the Raiders or the Roosters, and why?

2019-09-13T03:36:19+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Tough question. Almost as tough as 2013. The year the Rabbitohs blew it. It should have been "The Year of the Rabbit" but peptides on the insular peninsula and a Roosters rort that saw them $4.5 mill plus over the salary cap, according to Matty Johns and an independent NRL official, were a bridge too far for the Bunnies to cross. That year I must have switched sides with every lead change siding with the team that was trailing because I didn't want EITHER side to win. In the end some controversial decisions in favour of the Roosters handed them the win. This year I would probably be more inclined to give a nod to the Storm who have been clearly the best side for the majority of the year and they aren't $2 mill plus over the salary cap for once unlike the Roosters. But then if I get flashbacks to the Super League war I'll switch to the Roosters over the Storm. I'm conflicted CC. Luckily the 2019 GF will be between the Rabbitohs and the Raiders. :laughing:

2019-09-13T03:06:43+00:00

Chris

Roar Pro


On topic as always, PS. Out of interest, if the Roosters played the Storm again in the big dance, who would you prefer to see win?

2019-09-13T02:31:54+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Supplemental... Once the Storm's BIG men are fatigued and dropping off tackles teams then need to attack in behind the ruck and scoot from dummy half to exploit their tired and broken defensive line. Think Damien Cook and James Tedesco in particular.

2019-09-13T02:25:17+00:00

Dean

Guest


Chooks will put 40 points on the rabbits tonight. The Storm will comfortably dispose of the raiders... Both games will be 13+ victories! Sharks are realistically only team outside top 4 that could push for the premiership.

2019-09-13T02:00:44+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


The one that works but Souths failed to execute. Shifting the ball wide early in the tackle count and attacking the Storm's two defensive edges. Then looking to play off the back of offloads and second phase play when they can catch the Storm in one on one tackles. Quick play the balls, high completions, low errors and penalties and moving the Storm's big men in the middle third of the field around and tiring them out. THAT is the secret to breaking the Storm defence, along with an accurate short kicking game in behind their defensive line when they commit to coming forward. Most importantly though, avoid the Storm's Big Black Belts in the middle of the field if the Raiders want to avoid a jui-jitsu exhibition and having their necks bent like rubber chickens or their ears pulled and their temples crushed! # Go the Raiders! (in this one) # Rabbitohs vs Raiders GF for 2019 # The Year of the Good Guys

2019-09-13T00:43:18+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


No irony only confuses us. But we are excellent at multiplying and stockpiling premierships. So far the Rabbits have 21 premierships to date stashed away down our burrow and daylight second with premiership number 22 in our sights and just within reach. # Go the Bunnies! # 22 in 2019!

2019-09-12T23:49:07+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Hey Taree - I didn't front for the Warriors game either - I was amazed they got a crowd of 13,000 - it was freezing (about 9 degrees) plus I'd been crook for a couple of weeks. I watched the NRL 360 episode and can understand why Ricky was upset with Ben Ikin - Ikin was laughing at a dumb comment made by some jounalist from the Courier Mail that the Raiders didn't reckon Young didn't eye gouge the Warriors player - and then Ikin made an ironic reference to Ricky implying that he must be kidding trying to convince people Young didn't eye gouge. It was a bit like the Broncos having a laugh at Ricky. Ricky blew up big time. Ikin's explanation of the events in the media didn't look very convincing. I'm still not convinced what Young was trying to do but it didn't look good. Hopefully how Young was treated by some commentators and his susbequent punishment for something we are not sure he did galvanises the team - they seem a pretty solid bunch this year. I like your tactics re Cameron Smith. If you play up tempo the Storm don't like it. They end up chasing jumpers and get fatigued. The Raiders have to really agressive and in the Storm's face in defence from the get go with good line speed and 2 or 3 in each tackle. I agree - I reckon they can wear them out if they keep up the intensity which would go a long way towards winning the game.

2019-09-12T12:44:26+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Welcome to tribal warfare Nat, finals style. The Broncos didn't get passed week 1 of the finals last year and look set for an early exit once again so you probably forget how all this works. Banter is the kindling that lights the fires of tribal passions Nat and gets everyone in the mood for the gladiatorial festivities that lie ahead. Now if you don't mind, the Rabbitohs and the Roosters have been quarreling neighbors since they shared a boundary fence 111 years ago. That's 80 years before your Broncos begged to join the NSWRL and 89 years before your mob of greedy, rebellious QLDers almost destroyed the game in their cash grab. I can't stand the Roosters, or Manly either for that matter, given their long and troubled history with the Rabbitohs and the feeling is completely mutual all round and we all like it that way. BUT there is one thing both the Roosters and Manly have over your lot and in that sense it unites us still. They didn't sell their souls to Super League and stood by the ARL along with many other clubs. That is something that binds us still against the QLD horde, the barbarians at NSW's gates, that beat the door down to come inside and then tried to rob their gracious hosts blind. # Blue Dawn! # Foundation clubs rule! # There can be only one! # Go the Rabbitohs!

2019-09-12T12:10:03+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Your forefather Sir Francis Bacon was a pig farmer who butchered Shakespeare and tried to steal his legacy. Crooks the lotta ya! :laughing:

2019-09-12T10:30:25+00:00

Chris.P.Bacon

Guest


"Et tu Krispy Kreme?" .....how dare you take the magnificent name of 'Bacon' and besmirch it in such a fashion PS! Bacon has a fine tradition.....in every meat product your vile eyes will ever grasp! In the words of Charlton Heston, (Planet Of the Apes), ....."I'll give you my (pork products) when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" Damn you PS! :)

2019-09-12T09:54:36+00:00

Taree Raider

Guest


Geoff, spent last weekend in Canberra for the eldest son's birthday. Decided to stay at the brother in laws on Saturday & watch the footy on Fox. Cold, windy weather, the thought of paying $140 for 4 tickets including parking to sit in an end corner of GIO stadium didn't rate. The result was a little disappointing against the Warriors, but if you take 5 from the starting side of any NRL team you won't win. Last night on NRL 360 it was apparent that Ricky Stuart was not happy with Ben Ikin's comments on Hudson Young. Here's hoping that Ricky checks the Roar comments. How to beat the Storm> Run the ball at Cameron Smith every tackle of every set for the first 5 of the game. Cameron is getting on a bit & he can't handle constant work. By making Smith fatigued the Storm are gone. Simple as that. When Cameron is not happy he does silly things. He may even upset the Referee's. So Ricky give it a go. There's nothing to loose.

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2019-09-12T09:45:37+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


Correct!

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