Three strikes and you're out? Thorn needs finals footy in third year of Reds reboot

By Will Knight / Expert

For Brad Thorn, it’s time to prove his axing of Quade Cooper wasn’t for nothing.

It’s been more than two years since Thorn told Cooper to stop turning up to Queensland training in a brutal tone-setting move by the new coach. Thorn had only just replaced Nick Stiles, but the message was clear: the Super Rugby strugglers were in for a shake-up.

Get rid of your number one flyhalf who had racked up more than 100 games for the Reds, 70 Tests for the Wallabies and was in his late 20s? Even some passionate Quade critics were surprised.

But the tough and uncompromising Thorn had seen enough of Cooper and decided he wasn’t the future at the Reds. The Reds’ cultural revolution had begun.

James Slipper and Karmichael Hunt were soon on their way out the door too following separate drug-related indiscretions.

To banish the experienced trio, given their credentials when fit and firing, was a bold call from Thorn but the Reds’ path was clear. Thorn was intent on creating a gritty, resilient, roll-the-sleeves-up type of club culture. Gritty and resilient.

Despite their vast experience within a young squad, Cooper, Hunt and Slipper weren’t the types that could foster the traits he was seeking to ingrain.

The arrival of Brad Thorn signalled the end of Quade Cooper in the Reds jumper. (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

So where did it get the Reds?

The last two seasons have produced poor Super Rugby results. Both the 2018 and 2019 seasons ended with a 6-10 record, meaning the Reds comfortably missed finals footy.

Were there encouraging signs? Definitely. Most importantly for Thorn, there were enough positives to get him a contract extension last year. However, the Queensland Rugby Union only extended his stay until the end of this 2020 season.

Why only add a year? The QRU need to see the results of Thorn’s Reds rebuild in year three. For the QRU – and Reds fans – there’s less room for talk about the future being bright and the focus will be more on demonstrable success: finals qualification.

Thorn has got what he wanted and he’s now more accountable because of it. He would have to be an excellent salesman to argue he deserves to be retained if he produces three finals strike-outs in a row. Three strikes and you’re out?

Thorn has invested a lot of faith in a squad that now needs to repay him. He’s been the main driver in ensuring about a dozen young Reds players have sealed their short-term rugby futures with two, three and four-year deals. They’ve been given a golden chance to turn the Reds around and end a finals drought that’s been dragging on since 2013.

Jordan Petaia, Taniela Tupou, Izack Rodda and Lukhan Salakaia-Loto are all signed until the end of 2022 or 2023. Junior Wallabies Isaac Lucas, Fraser McReight and Harry Wilson are all locked in until 2023, as are halfback Tate McDermott and forwards Harry Hoopert and Angus Blyth.

Utility back Hamish Stewart and hooker Alex Mafi are in until 2022. New skipper Liam Wright and back-rower Angus Scott-Young are Reds until 2021. Henry Speight has moved from the Brumbies to Queensland, while fellow winger Filipo Daugunu signed a four-year contract extension last year and is also now eligible for the Wallabies.

James O’Connor returns to the Reds in what will be a significant test for Thorn’s cultural standards. He’s had a few off-field issues in Europe over the last few seasons, but before and after the World Cup, O’Connor has talked about being a more all-round player and person.

Brad Thorn’s cultural revolution could do wonders for James O’Connor. (AAP Image/Darren England)

Of course, the Reds haven’t been immune to the post-World Cup exodus of players to Japan and Europe. Samu Kerevi is easily their biggest loss. Kerevi was a weapon in the midfield, and there are few better inside centres in world rugby at the minute.

He leaves a huge hole to fill, but O’Connor brings more subtlety in terms of passing and kicking. Scott Higginbotham, Sefa Naivalu and Caleb Timu have also moved on.

And there have already been some hiccups. Daugunu won’t be available for a stint after copping a five-week suspension for a tip tackle in the Reds’ trial match against Melbourne. McReight is nursing a broken thumb but hopefully won’t be far away.

A big injury setback, like the one to Petaia early last year that forced him out of the rest of the Super Rugby season, could really hurt the Reds.

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Queensland face a difficult start to the season. They play their first three rounds on the road – tonight against the Brumbies in Canberra and then the Lions in Johannesburg and Jaguares in Buenos Aires.

A fair bit of the hard work has been done for Thorn and he’s got what he sought.

“We’ve got a good group of humble and hard-working men,” Thorn said when he re-signed last year.

Thorn is only 44 and has the potential to be a head coach for years to come. This season will be a pivotal one for him as he will come under pressure if his young squad fail to churn out the wins.

Thorn’s overhaul needs to deliver a finals berth this season, otherwise he might suffer the same fate as Quade Cooper and be banished from Ballymore.

The Crowd Says:

2020-02-03T20:58:40+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Nah he didn't. The team cost the Rebels their finals spot. If you are going back to the first game of the season to find an error early in the game - you're just clutching at straws. Why didn't his team mates tell him he was under pressure for example?

2020-02-03T20:01:19+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


The reds should have beaten the Brumbies. Still gutted.

2020-02-03T19:49:48+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


Er no. The Tahs and Tebels swallowed up the vast majority of Force players. QLD hardly noticed except for the standard player drain to prop up the Brumbies

2020-02-03T03:17:10+00:00

JP

Guest


Not if you play for the All Blacks.Thorn is a New Zealander Cantabrian and always will be.

2020-02-03T03:14:55+00:00

Gary

Guest


Agreed Jacko , John Mitchell was right to get rid of Christian Cullen.Cullen was way past his best as his failure at the Hurricanes proved. John Mitchell was right same as Thorn was.

2020-02-03T02:58:42+00:00

Jacko

Guest


he cost the rebels their finals spot.....Sadly that is hardly "Perfectly fine" and he couldnt get them an extra win in the last 9 games where they only won 2...He is the controller and he didnt control....Which game did he cost them? The one where he should have dotted the ball down in his own ingoal but he didnt and the opposition scored.....They lost that game by 3 or 4 points and 1 more win would have given them a finals berth...

2020-02-01T13:47:38+00:00

ojp

Guest


Does playing State of Origin for Queensland make you a Queenslander ? Evidently not !

2020-02-01T06:01:16+00:00

Jacko

Guest


If you cant even be bothered following the sport why bother commenting

2020-02-01T05:42:22+00:00

Jacko

Guest


thats a long 9 game final hurdle...losing 7 of those and getting absolutely owned by the Chiefs in the final game ...at their home...It was a sad season ending for a coach and team that was rated the best squad of the Aus sides at the start of 2019...Yet Thorn is the one you want to put crap on?

2020-02-01T05:40:44+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


It takes a stupid coach to get rid of them with no replacement. He was perfectly fine at the Rebels.

2020-02-01T05:37:11+00:00

Jacko

Guest


It takes a very strong coach to get rid of a Home town Favourite when he is clearly past his best and is not a player who can help bring thru the younger guys. QC proved he was past it with his failure at the Rebels.

2020-02-01T03:46:05+00:00

Simoc

Guest


I don't buy into the idea that Henry or Hansen were great coaches but they were by stats. NZ has an abundance of rugby talent from a great system which they helped in developing. But when NZ were playing France at home in a World Cup final Henry was in a collective choke with the players. They desperately needed change yet took half of the second half to bring on SBW and Donald, and still needed refereeing assistance. We can see how much Eddie Jones has improved while coaching England, yet he had zero to change the flow of the World Cup final. No refereeing assistance on that occassion. Of course this is a level up but I think Thorn was a beginner coach and is still learning his way. Not the ideal way to learn as the Brisbane Bears learnt after appointing Michael Voss as their AFL coach. Now they have a master craftsman who has transformed the team. Thorn could learn off him.

2020-01-31T20:52:59+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


I didn’t mean to sound disbelieving James. I’m fortunate to work somewhere that is similarly healthy. The will to make it work that way seems to be enough. And we fly under HQ’s radar, no doubt that helps too!

2020-01-31T14:23:31+00:00

Gloria

Roar Rookie


Making it all about Cooper is really silly. That decision is just a symptom of the problem. Thorn has to prove he is capable of successfully coaching a professional rugby team. His record at the Reds is 33 games, 12 wins, 21 losses. And he has been given everything he wants including carte blanche with selections, tactics and well, everything. He is already a failure and, as tonight’s game showed, he will be a complete and utter failure by the end of this season. The Brumbies were atrocious except for 20 minutes in the second half and they still beat the hapless Reds and totally dominated them for most of the second half.

2020-01-31T11:45:40+00:00

Oblonsky‘s Other Pun

Roar Guru


Makes me think that three could be a win at all costs mentality there, rather like with our cricket team a few years ago. The point is, you can’t really tell looking in from the outside, except when it is super dysfunctional and things are falling apart in public.

2020-01-31T11:43:21+00:00

jameswm

Roar Guru


Not by the players Or coach though, but by the owners.

2020-01-31T11:25:42+00:00

Jimbo81

Roar Rookie


Bye bye simple Brad

2020-01-31T11:22:03+00:00

Gray-Hand

Roar Rookie


I think Thorn has been lucky throughout his career to have joined teams where the culture was already strong and as a result everyone was on the same page, pulling in the same direction. He has never been part of Changing or building a new culture. As a result, he has confused and overvalued compliance and subservience with successful sporting culture and has undervalued creativity and autonomy.

2020-01-31T11:16:47+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


I think we are seeing the same thing in the paddock. Wessels is a playing a flat game, everything is done close to the gainline. But his forwards arent strong enough to do this. Moreover, it is one dimensional. Its quite predictable and much easier to defend against.

2020-01-31T10:53:30+00:00

Oblonsky‘s Other Pun

Roar Guru


Incredibly brilliant post mate. Honestly, I hope Thorn succeeds, as much for Australia's sake as for his own.

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