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Are you saying that you think Folau’s belief differs from what he posted?

Genuinely asking.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

I already knew everything in that article. I have litigated in the FWC. It is not a high level opinion, it’s just basic stuff. I agree with it completely.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Right … so both the bible and Israel Folau have views and opinions that are specifically unfavourable to gay people.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Doesn’t change my response.

GoFundMe removes Israel Folau's fundraiser over terms of service breach

The post which treats gay people unfavourably compared to heterosexual people is still up.

GoFundMe removes Israel Folau's fundraiser over terms of service breach

If he were to state in the Fair Work Commission, or more likely in any subsequent Court proceedings, that the content of the Instagram post does not reflect his personal religious beliefs, he will lose. It won’t even be close.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

The way in which you speak or write to or about people is obviously a way in which you treat them.

To speak harshly to some one is to treat them harshly.

To write nasty things about someone is to treat them with nastiness.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

He adopted the standards. He says that he lives by those standards.

How have you missed this?

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Folau has stated repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that the meme reflects his beliefs. He refers to it as his opinion.

The idea that he is reluctantly repeating a doctrine that he doesn’t personally believe goes against everything he has ever said on the subject and is at odds with the application he has filed at the Fair Work Commission.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Not really.

A minor breach (say turning up to work late) is worth a minor sanction.

Repeating or continuing or refusing to rectify an ongoing breach (stating your intention to turn up late to work every day going forward) could easily be considered a major breach, if not an outright repudiation of the employment contract.

He was begging to be sacked. He isn’t going to win his case.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

That doesn’t logically follow at all.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Folau has stated repeatedly that the post reflects his beliefs.

That’s the whole basis of his s772 claim that he was sacked because of his religious belief.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

I agree with everything in your post.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Report in the paper. I think the SMH.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Everyone has enough familiarity with Christian belief to know that he’ll is where bad people go when they die. It is punishment for doing the wrong thing. God punishes the wicked.

Therefor, everybody knows that when someone tells you that doing or saying or thinking something will get you sent to hell, they are saying that you have done, said or thought something that is bad. They have cast a moral judgment on you. The infinitely powerful and morally just God will give you the punishment that you deserve.

So of course it is offensive to tell a gay person, who can’t help but be gay, that they are going to hell. Regardless of whether or not they themselves are Christians, they still understand the moral condemnation.

It’s just rude, and people shouldn’t have to put up with it. It contributes nothing of any benefit to society.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

From a report (leak) in the paper. SMH, I think.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

I appreciate that, and I have paid you the same courtesy.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

To be honest, I found your argument to be pretty incomprehensible.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

All of that would be appropriate.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Apparently, Folau was told at the hearing that it would only be a minor breach of the code of conduct if he agreed to take down the post, and was then offered the chance to do so. He refused.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Or, people could just be a bit more polite about what parts of it they bang on about in public or at work.

Folau fires back after GoFundMe axing

There is a reason that Folau hired lawyers who specialise in employment law rather than ‘contract’ lawyers.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Jacko, we’ve all read the meme and the wording is clear. He specifically referred to homosexuals.

At no stage did he refer to ‘all people of every possible religion that exists’. You are reading something that isn’t there.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Do you really believe that Israel Folau deserves your $500 more than you do?

Folau fires back after GoFundMe axing

Voltaire never actually said that.

Folau fires back after GoFundMe axing