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And it turns out 4 was a 5:20am rant about lefties and SJWs. Can’t beat the classics.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

1. Realise you are losing the debate.
2. Try to deflect with whataboutisms.
3. Resort to insults.
4. … let’s see if you can go any lower…

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

It was just a general comment in relation to the non apologies exchanged between Folau and RA.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

#whataboutism

The last resort for anyone on the losing end of a debate.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

He wasn’t banned from saying anything.

The posts are still up.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

I actually have respect for people able to put their ego aside and summon enough humility to deliver a properly groveling apology.

Way more impressive than the mealy mouthed non apologies that were exchanged here.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

The ‘groveling apology’ made by Rugby Australia ( not Castle) is the exact same apology that Folau made to Rugby Australia.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

The wording of the act suggests no costs, but that might be only while a matter remains in the FWC. An employment law specialist assured me costs would follow the event like normal in the federal court.

I have never run a general protections matter, so I’m not speaking from personal experience.

Finding Izzy’s next gig is a hell of a job

Being inclusive towards the gay community is the business of Rugby Australia. So the notion that Folau was posting about something that wasn’t company business is false.

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

His posts weren’t really his private life though – they were deliberately broadcast publicly to more than 200,000 people who only followed him due to the celebrity status that was built off the back of his employment and the cooperative efforts of his employer.

It’s not like someone surreptitiously filmed him talking to a few mates in a cafe (or even addressing his father’s tiny congregation) He was trying to reach as many people as possible with a message that was contrary to the business aims of his employer.

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

Making and maintaining rugby as a sport that is inclusive towards gay people (among others) is the stated aim of Rugby Australia. Indeed, it is a requirement for them to receive government funding.

So Folau’s tweets were directly impeding and interfering with RA’s business goals.

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

Fellow employees of Rugby Australia felt bullied and harassed by the posts.

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

The decision to sack someone is inherently subjective because all decisions are subjective (we make decisions inside our brains). The reason must of course be objectively reasonable.

Sacking someone for making homophobic comments (which left some RA employees feeling bullied and harassed according to the Court documents) contrary to a workplace code of conduct is a valid reason to sack someone and has been upheld by the FWC and the courts countless times.

The other reason tied together with the homophobia was the damage the comments caused to the image of his employer and its relationships with its sponsors which require RA and it’s players to be seen to uphold ideals of inclusivity. RAs public image and its sponsorship arrangements are essential to its business model. Not making openly homophobic public comments were inherent requirement of Folau’s job.

To the extent that the situation with Folau’s comments could be argued to fall within the general protections of the FWA, those comments conflict with the other obligations of an employer to make sure that it’s other employees don’t have to put up with such behaviour from the highest paid, highest profile employee in the organisation.

Rugby Australia CEO on Folau: 'We didn't get it wrong'

No. Folau doesn’t fire himself – RA does.

It is RA’s subjective reason for firing him that is relevant. And they clearly fired him because of the homophobia. They are the churchiest sport in Australia.

Rugby Australia CEO on Folau: 'We didn't get it wrong'

It’s not like they were caught in a private moment.

They knew they were walking out to waiting cameras at the conclusion of a legal matter that they ran with the assistance of a hired PR team.

They could have paid out to RA (not saying that happened) and they would still have put on a big smile for the cameras.

Castle insists Folau settlement cost less than going to court

You can tell how much money a person has just made by their facial expression?

How much money did Alan Border have on him when the TWAS’s profile pic was taken?

Castle insists Folau settlement cost less than going to court

It wouldn’t be your business.

But the issues Folau posted about were company business and were potentially damaging for the business. RAs business relied on sponsorship money from sponsors that required them to maintain a particular public image. It also required them to promote the celebrity if their players in order to project that image.

Folau’s posts were inconsistent with and damaging to that image. And probably put RA in breach of its spin ship contracts.

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

Always want a rational discussion. Just never have time for posters who try to deflect and kick up dust when they think they are on the losing end of a debate.

So do any of your companies trade off the public image and celebrity status of their employees?

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

Do any of your companies trade off the celebrity status and public image of any of your employees?

The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise

We can always look forward to you deflecting and kicking up dust rather than directly addressing the actual issue at hand.

Rugby Australia CEO on Folau: 'We didn't get it wrong'

One of Ralph’s previous contributions to the Folau discussion was to argue that ‘homophobia’ meant a fear of men. So treat his posts accordingly.

Rugby Australia CEO on Folau: 'We didn't get it wrong'

Equating non binary gender identity or non heterosexuality with the same level of immorality that involves breaking weighty promises to people just isn’t really on is it?

Rugby Australia CEO on Folau: 'We didn't get it wrong'

If the relevant section of the Bible doesn’t treat them with dignity, then quoting that section at such people is also not treating them with dignity. Pretty basic.

Rugby Australia CEO on Folau: 'We didn't get it wrong'

Given how:
1. public opinion had pretty much completely turned against him after his recent string of dumb and offensive public comments; and
2. how badly his legal team had misstepped with that embarrassingly stupid claim to the wallabies captaincy;

Would it really be so surprising if he decided to pull the pin?

Castle insists Folau settlement cost less than going to court

By that (non)logic, a Supreme Court Judge who previously worked for the Director of Public Prosecutions could never hear criminal cases. Nonsense.

Martin: Folau settlement like a Christmas present