Aussie abroad: Josh Valentine

By JamesDuncan / Roar Guru

The Hunter Region in New South Wales is located a couple of hours’ drive north of Sydney. Mines, wines and glorious beaches are among the attributes bringing attention to this area throughout its history.

Coal is the dominant resource here. Some would say that the region was built on the abundant combustible rock.

However, it is not the only precious commodity to have been unearthed from the Hunter’s fertile soil in recent times. Maybe there’s something in the water (or wine) here as it has also produced some super-talented rugby scrum-halves.

Over the past 25 years, this region of approximately 700, 000 people has manufactured no less than four Wallaby No.9s.

Steve Merrick (Singleton) was the first of this plucky quartet to gain national selection back in 1995. Nic White (Scone) is the incumbent Wallabies No. 9 and Luke Burgess (Newcastle) was capped 37 times for his country in the late noughties-early tens.

Josh Valentine (Singleton) was the second Hunter halfback to get the call up. He played six times for Australia between 2006 and 2009.

Many years down the line later, the now 37-year-old is still manning a hole with US Carcassonne in the French Pro D2.

Interestingly, Valentine’s half dozen appearances for the Wallabies completed a career Six Nations. He played one match apiece against England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France and Italy.

Valentine fondly recalls those precious moments spent wearing the gold jersey. But his feelings are also tinged with some disappointment as he believes this tally could have been greater if not for an untimely change of management with the national set up.

“I was super happy to represent my country and certainly proud,” he says.

“I felt like I could have played in more Tests and been more involved but that’s the way rugby goes. There was the George Gregan-Chris Whitaker era and I was sort of behind those guys. Then George got a bit older and Whits moved on as well. There was kind of an opportunity (at that time).

“Then Robbie Deans took over and started getting rid of the older guys like Phil Waugh and George Smith, and I was on the fringe at around 27 or 28. I was considered an older guy and missed out on that window of opportunity before Will Genia started getting a run.”

Robbie Deans (Photo: Supplied)

After his final Wallabies appearance, Valentine continued toiling away in Super Rugby with the Brumbies. He completed a pair of seasons with the ponies, his fourth Aussie franchise in nine years.

These two would turn out to be his last. Another change at the top proved fateful for Valentine and his career trajectory.

A three-year contract had been on the table to remain in Canberra, then Jake White was installed as Brumbies head coach and the deal fell through.

The timing of this was especially poor for Valentine. By the time he realised his time with the Brumbies was up the other Australian Super Rugby teams had already completed their rosters for the upcoming 2012 season.

So Valentine looked offshore. His old Brumbies teammate Justin Harrison was then coaching in France at Narbonne, and they happened to be in need of a scrumhalf. In December 2011, he made his move.

Fast forward eight-plus years and the feisty, blonde No.9 with the snappy service is still in the south of France. Valentine played two and half seasons with Narbonne followed by four more at Beziers. He is now in his second campaign with US Carcassonne.

These clubs are all located among a cluster of cities and towns in the country’s Occitanie region. Each of Valentine’s seasons have been spent in the second division, Pro D2.

After nearly a decade apiece in both Super Rugby and the D2, few would be more qualified to compare the two competitions than Aussie Josh.

“The biggest point of difference is the speed of play. Everyone’s a bit heavier over here so it’s slower and more physical,” he says. “In the Pro D2 everyone’s got a bit more weight on them so it’s not as fast. In Super Rugby, the breakdown – most of the time – is less contested.

“You also don’t get the heavy winter conditions in Australia. In the winter time here everything slows down and you see your typical northern hemisphere drop goals and taking penalty kicks. It’s like Test match rugby.”

The Pro D2 season dwarfs Super Rugby in terms of its length. The competition’s 16 teams play each other both home and away every season, adding up to a 30-game campaign. It sounds arduous, but Valentine gives the format two thumbs up.

“The competition layout is probably the best in the world, to be honest,” he says. “You’re playing 30 games plus playoffs, but you never play more than four of five games in a row then you get a week off.”

“When you’re locked into the Wallabies playing Test match after Test match, or playing Super Rugby you’re locked in so hard for so long it gets super draining.”

While Valentine is impressed with the format of the Pro D2, he is less so with the professionalism that he has witnessed with some of the clubs.

“I know my experience, my capabilities, my organisation, my planning and my professionalism. That’s something that a French side doesn’t necessarily have,” he says.

Josh Valentine (AAP Image/Paul Miller)

“I can’t speak for the Top 14, but I can say the coaching and medical stuff in D2 is just so far behind (Super Rugby). Obviously, the big teams are signing foreign coaches. There’s not a lot of good French coaches.

“There’s a lot of misconceptions in France, I think. It’s such a socialist country and everything is given to them so there’s not a lot of hard work done.

“There’s blokes that turn up just to get paid then go home and eat dinner, you know? You play two seasons with a guy and they still don’t know the plays. It’s pretty frustrating.”

Valentine, conversely, seems as committed as ever to being a professional player and teammate. Retirement for him could still be a fair way off as long as opportunities are there to keep playing.

“My body feels super good. I’m one of the fittest at the club and one of the strongest backs,” he says. “I’m also certainly enjoying the camaraderie and the team environment.

“I could comfortably play in this division another two or three years. My age doesn’t seem to have affected me like others. It all depends whether or not I get another contract.”

What about continuing to play at another level? Is there any possibility that Valentine would return to the Super Rugby realm after an absence of ten (or more) years?

“100 percent, I would,” he says. “Whether or not I’d get a contract at the ripe old age of 37… I know Australia is all about youth and it’s always been that way.”

It would be unprecedented for an Australian to come home and play professionally in his late 30s after a decade away.

Valentine’s contract with Carcassonne is up in a few months. He may get another contract there or somewhere else in France. He might not, either.

The cloud of uncertainty that the coronavirus pandemic has created could also implicate on his future plans, as it may for his fellow countryman playing abroad.

Australian Wallabies player Josh Valentine (AAP Image/Tracey Nearmy)

Australian rugby will get one of its daring diggers from the Hunter back later this year – Nic White. It should not be forgotten that Valentine is still around the traps too. Some may be sceptical, but that’s never been something that’s stopped him.

“I’ve always enjoyed proving people wrong,” he says. “You’re too small. You’re never going to make it. You’re from the country. Now it’s like – you’re too old.”

This wily veteran from Singleton still has plenty of energy left to burn. As has always been the case, those who count Josh Valentine out do so at their own peril.

Josh Valentine’s CV:
• 6 Wallabies caps
• 38 Queensland Reds caps
• 11 NSW Waratahs caps
• 12 Western Force caps
• 22 ACT Brumbies caps
• Three seasons at Narbonne
• Four seasons at Beziers
• Two seasons at Carcassonne
• Australia A Vice Captain (2003)

Also represented: Australian Schoolboys (2000), Australia U21 (2003), Australia A (2003) Warringah, Manly and Randwick (Shute Shield), Queensland University (Brisbane Premier Rugby), Sydney Fleet (ARC), Singleton Bulls (Newcastle and Hunter rugby union)

The Crowd Says:

2020-04-01T23:28:09+00:00

Armchair Halfback

Roar Rookie


Thanks James, yes it feels like the No9 jersey is definitely up for grabs. Though ironically both Gregan and Genia were reasonably unheralded before playing test rugby. Gregan came for the pre-Brumbies ACT setup after Farr-Jones retired and Peter Slattery had a dip in form and Genia was understudy to Valentine and others in his first couple of seasons at the Reds.

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2020-04-01T10:58:51+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Hopefully this story gives a bit of insight into this competition. Josh is one of many Aussies that play in the Pro D2.

AUTHOR

2020-04-01T10:57:14+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Thanks a lot Jez.

AUTHOR

2020-04-01T10:56:57+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Thanks Ken. Vaughan was a bit before my time, as was Hipwell who I both now know are Wallaby 9s from the Hunter. It's remarkable that so many scrum-halves have been produced from there.

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2020-04-01T10:54:35+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Nice number-crunching, AH! Unlike for much of Valentine's career, I feel like the 9 jersey is up for grabs at the moment. White is probably the front-runner, but others will stake their claim too.

2020-04-01T07:15:26+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


Thanks James. Something interesting to read. I liked Josh when he was with the Western Fore although he took quite some time to get up to speed with the game. His the 2nd half of his stint was good and I was sad to see him go. I don't think he quite appreciated what he was going towards.... Interesting about the 2nd tier rugby in France. I didn't (and still don't) know much about it really.

2020-04-01T06:51:33+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Love this articles James, keep up the good work!

2020-04-01T06:41:34+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Good article and a great series James. I can add another to your Hunter halfback tally. Dom Vaughan came down from Newcastle in the 80’s and won a gold jersey.

2020-04-01T06:15:28+00:00

Armchair Halfback

Roar Rookie


Thanks James! Valentine had big wraps on him at underage levels, Luke Burgess was around too, so both he and Gregan, then of course Genia dominated at scrum half. His durability is remarkable, to still be playing professionally into his late 30's. I did some sums, 5 players - Catchpole, Hipwell, Farr Jones, Gregan & Genia - have started for the Wallabies in 70% of tests between 1960 & 2019 - over 500 tests, - so it's been a tough gig to crack.

2020-04-01T04:10:23+00:00

Realist

Guest


It’s a hard one James. I think Nic White really improved during his stint in the UK and I like both Powell and McDermott. If I had to choose one I’d probably go with McDermott based on the fact his game has come along so quickly with possibly the most growth upside given his age and level of experience. If choosing a test team now I’d start with White with MacDermott coming off the bench

2020-04-01T00:57:32+00:00

peterj

Guest


It was a rep game and he was playing for a combined Hunter team. They absolutely walloped us!

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2020-03-31T20:48:05+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Thanks Dean. 17-odd years and still going strong.

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2020-03-31T20:47:10+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Hi Masher, perhaps incumbent was a little bit of a stretch. White started six of the 10 Wallabies tests last year, but was on the bench for the WC quarter final. It'll be an interesting battle for the 9 jersey when things return to normal.

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2020-03-31T20:42:46+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Cheers Richie.

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2020-03-31T20:42:17+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Thanks Pete.

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2020-03-31T20:41:51+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Nice one Peter. Was that when he played at Singleton with Merrick?

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2020-03-31T20:40:33+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Hi M, indeed the south of France would be a great place to be based for a rugby fan. I made it to a Carcassonne game back in 2018 before Valentine came there. Good standard, good crowds, good value all-round.

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2020-03-31T20:37:43+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Hi Realist, thanks for the comment. Who do you rate highest among the current crop of 9s?

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2020-03-31T20:36:27+00:00

JamesDuncan

Roar Guru


Thanks Reilly. Yep, he's been a way a long time.

2020-03-31T13:31:20+00:00

Dean

Roar Rookie


Great article. Fantastic that he is still playing.

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