Seven talking points from NRL Round 15

By Scott Pryde / Expert

Another week is in the books, with most results going virtually to script. The top eight seems to be just about set, and the run to the finals has commenced. Here are the NRL talking points for Round 15.

The Rabbitohs finally make the statement we have all been waiting for
It might have been against a banged-up Manly side, but the Rabbitohs finally put all their cards on the table, racking up 56 points in a complete performance.

The closest South Sydney have looked to a team capable of challenging the top guns in the finals before Saturday’s clash was a hard-fought 18-12 loss to the Raiders in Round 11.

But on Saturday they came racing out of the gates and ended up leading 38-0 at halftime. It doesn’t matter who you’re playing or what they are producing; to be leading by that many points at halftime, you have to be perfect.

When the men from Redfern play a fast brand of footy they are brilliant to watch. Adam Reynolds controls the kicking game with time and space, and the dynamic duo of Cody Walker and Damien Cook are able to play what’s in front of them.

The trio was involved in everything on the back of a forward pack who did all the hard yards, while all of their back five – including impressive debutant Steven Marsters – played their role in the crushing victory.

It was the team performance coaches dream of, and while it was a statement-type win, it will give them confidence ahead of playing Parramatta and Melbourne in the next fortnight.

South Sydney have underperformed all season, but if they win one or even both of those games, they could well come into form at the right end of the season.

Adam Reynolds. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

Clint Gutherson has become Parramatta’s crucial player
The Eels may be in something of a rut, but the same can’t be said for fullback Clint Gutherson.

The Parramatta number one has been simply superb in recent weeks. After breaking the NRL record for running metres in last week’s shock loss to the Dragons, he was everywhere again for the blue and gold in their victory over Melbourne.

Having a hand in the lead-up to tries, running for more than 200 metres, forcing a dropout and setting up line breaks and dangerous attacking plays, he was close to if not best on ground once again.

And while it’s arguable to say Parramatta don’t win the competition without Mitchell Moses rediscovering the finesse which gave him one of the best kicking games in the competition, Gutherson’s form is now at the point where he is critical to Parramatta’s chances.

And not just in attack but also defence. He has quickly turned himself into a very solid player at the back, making very few errors under the high ball and often making try-saving tackles.

More than that, he clearly communicates well and organises the defensive line. No team keeps a side to zero without a good communicating fullback.

Gutherson’s form may have snuck up on fans slightly, but there is a reason he is known as ‘King Gutho’ in Parramatta.

(Brendon Thorne/Getty Images)

Ben Hunt must be kept at hooker
The lack of this point in previous weeks has been because I’ve been sitting on the fence about where Hunt should play.

And while I was highly critical of Hunt during last year’s State of Origin series for his dummy half play, he has improved out of sight.

The Dragons look a far superior team with him there and have some results to show for it now. After a couple of close losses to good sides they have got over the Eels in Paul McGregor’s farewell match and the Broncos in Dean Young’s first.

Their win over Brisbane may have been a little scratchy and far from an 80-minute performance, but the Dragons attack looks crisp. Adam Clune has also played a role in that, controlling the kicking game since he arrived in the side.

Cameron McInnes is one of the NRL’s best defenders but lacks a little in the creativity department, so playing at lock suits him down to the ground, while Hunt has been able to chip into the team with kicking, running and passing out of hooker.

When he was forced to play in the halves for a small block a couple of weeks ago, the wheels fell off for the Red V, and that tells you all you need to know.

The Dragons sit four points out of the eight, and while finals footy is unlikely this year, they continue to build towards 2021. They have some tough matches on the run home, including the Raiders and Storm, might just tell us where Hunt at No. 9 is going to work in the long term.

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

The Roosters old guard must be fit for success to follow
The Roosters might be down on troops, but they got back to somewhere near their best in emphatic fashion on Saturday against the Tigers, running out 38-16 winners.

And while there were no passengers in Trent Robinson’s side, it was the experienced old guard who stood up and led the way.

Coming into the finals without some of their best talent, they are going to need to continue firing too. Whether it was the Morris brothers who refuse to slow down or Jake Friend leading the tackle count at hooker, they are simply too important to the Roosters to contemplate winning high-pressure games without.

The Morris brothers scored four tries between them and were excellent whenever they touched the ball, while it was also Jared Waerea-Hargreaves in his return from injury who led an extremely youthful forward pack on a demolition job of the Tigers middle third.

However, with only the four older players on the park, the Roosters system continued to show what it’s capable of doing. Drew Hutchinson and the recalled Kyle Flanagan were the halves combination, Sitili Tupouniua, Nat Butcher and Isaac Liu, while no-one on the bench had more than 40 first-grade games.

To then go out and run up 38 points proves the calibre of coach Trent Robinson is and the standards the Roosters set.

It’s why even after weeks of sub-standard form by their own standards they will still be in the hunt during the finals.

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The Panthers need a couple of losses before finals
Long has the saying “the loss they had to have” been uttered in rugby league circles, but nowhere is it more true than for the Panthers.

This is a team firing on all cylinders, and with ten straight victories under the belt, they rightly lead the competition and are attracting attention as a premiership favourite.

That’s because right now they look unbeatable. Apisai Koroisau will go down as buy of the season, but with so many Panthers juniors on the field, it’s a success story like few we have seen before in rugby league.

But this is a team without a lot of finals experience. There are only five weeks to go until the finals, and if they go all the way to the finals without a loss, their doors could get blown off in the first week with little chance of recovery.

Ideally, they lose a game they are supposed to win in the next couple of weeks just to re-enforce they aren’t invincible. To remind the younger players in the side they can be stopped.

The problem when you look at their draw is that they play the Tigers, Broncos, Eels, Cowboys and Bulldogs on the run home. In current form the only chance of a loss is the Parramatta game. They could well finish the season at 18 wins, a draw and a loss – a remarkable achievement but dangerous to mentality ahead of a hunt for the real prize.

(Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

How far can the Green Machine go?
When Josh Hodgson went down for the season, given the rest of their injury toll it looked to be curtains for the Raiders and their premiership chances.

No Corey Horsburgh, Iosia Soliola or Bailey Simonsson, just to name a few.

And while they took a little while to work out how to play without their English superstar, they are starting to get the hang of it now.

Canberra have now won five of their last six, including that good win over the Roosters to start the run. They have found their feet and are now racing towards the finals, their only loss in the last six weeks coming against the Panthers away from home.

Whether they can match the lofty heights of last year is still up for debate, as is their true form given the last two wins have been over Brisbane and the Titans. With games against the Roosters, Dragons and Sharks on the horizon though, they are going to know where they stand heading into the finals.

With Josh Papalii leading the forward pack, Siliva Havili and Tom Starling making a good fist of replacing Hodgson at hooker, a halves combination growing with each game and Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad continuing to play consistently well at the back, there is no reason they can’t finish in the top four.

Do that, get a second chance and run into the finals with plenty of confidence and there is no reason the Raiders can’t mix it with the big guns.

Newcastle’s premiership chances have been extinguished
For those that made it through the full 80 minutes of the final game this weekend, I applaud you.

It was a punishment at best. A shocking game of footy in windy conditions, the Knights had the better of it and yet never looked like putting the travelling Cowboys away.

Their one try early might have given fans of the home side they’d put on a score, but it was anything but. It wasn’t as if they made countless errors or were overly eager with the ball. They completed at north of 80 per cent and won both the territory and possession battles convincingly.

And yet their attack was poor. Bad decision-making, no creativity. They looked lost at times, almost a trip back to the days of ‘pass it to Ponga and see what happens’.

With Blake Green joining a long list of casualties, likely for the season, the premiership chances look to be flaming out for the Knights.

He was a stopgap measure when he arrived from the Warriors. Now they will be relying on either Phoenix Crossland or Kurt Mann, potentially with Chris Randall playing hooker.

While Mann’s form was excellent in the halves, he isn’t going to win you a competition alongside Mitchell Pearce. Not that Green was likely to either, but the Knights form has tailed right off, and while the finals experience they get will be important moving forward, it may not be more than one week.

The Crowd Says:

2020-08-26T22:15:04+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


I think Uncle Wayne would get the best out of him... :thumbup:

2020-08-26T18:00:11+00:00

Chris Love

Roar Guru


too many brain explosions. But would fit the bill....... I thought of this the second I heard about the COVID19 Bubble breach. Thinking uncle Wayne may recruit him down south next year after the Broncos pay him out.

2020-08-25T20:30:59+00:00

Joey

Guest


Scott, what are your thoughts as we draw ever closer to the possibility of a Panthers being told to play their home preliminary final v Parramatta @ BankWest ?

2020-08-25T20:16:14+00:00

Joey

Guest


I think the one out rubbish Melbourne threw up last week would have them losing against any team. They were very very ordinary and yet Parra’ two tries came from 1/ a metre tap-on pass forward seen by the world but missed by the ref, and 2/ Addo-Carr knock-on that never was. Two tries that never should have happened. Score line should have been closer to 0-0. Both calls above should have been challenged but clearly no captain on the field that day.

2020-08-24T06:41:11+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


Should be top 6 to go through. Making the 8 should be harder, not for a team that's just halfway and cannon fodder. QF 3v6 and 4v5, teams finishing 1&2 get the break and play the winners in the semi and then winners into the GF.

2020-08-24T06:25:26+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


You may be right. They have got better through the year. They rely very, very heavily on Cleary - i don't think that can be in question. While they have improved through the year, they seem to rely on a lot of ball in order to turn it into a winning score and that is reliant in part on Cleary and his kicking game and general directing of the team. I also don't think his father has proven himself and if faced with adversity, such as his son and key to his team dropping out injured, I think Ivan would struggle. He is fine when things are fine, but when they are not, he doesn't have the composure a leader needs so I am not convinced he has the ability to regain control of a situation that receives a setback of that size. Bellamy does. Robinson does. Just my thoughts though.

2020-08-24T05:05:42+00:00

JGK

Roar Guru


I think we would have been out in straight sets either way in 2009 - the Storm (who came 4th) were in their salary cap breaching prime. And then we would have played the Eels anyway.

2020-08-24T04:54:29+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Yep, fully agree with you Scott, the Bunnies are going well and are coming good at the right time ‘hopefully’ the next couple of weeks will tell us more as they are facing some big games with the Eels, Storm and last one against the Roosters in round 20. From what I saw from the Eels they should be ‘easy-peasy’ at least 12+ on Thursday and the Storm the Friday after will be 6-12+, we will be right up there in 4th to 5th spot come “Finals Week 1” lol

2020-08-24T04:38:27+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


Agreed - 2009 was a fairly ordinary run for the Dragons in that system too just quietly. All up though I think it was more balanced than the current one. Ultimately of course if you win the games it doesn't matter.

2020-08-24T04:33:45+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


But what if the Panthers don't lose Cleary the week of the GF? Surely they must be a chance after easily accounting for all contenders throughout the year (apart from those 5 minutes & Crichton's two missed tackles against the Eels at Bankwest) ? What signs have you spotted that indicate they can't beat those other 4 teams currently placed well behind them ? Some pundits wonder whether they have enough experience of the big games to succeed at the end of the year ? But Cleary has already led NSW to two Origin Series wins when still in nappies. Pressure doesn't come much tougher there ? Tamou, Tetavano, Koroisau & Capewell have played in and won NRL Grand Finals in recent years. Fisher-Harris, Kikau, Luai , Mansour , & Whare have played Test Football. I won't be using a lack of experience as an excuse if the Panthers don't progress through the 2020 finals series. But I wouldn't be betting on the Storm winning the GF without Cam Smith ? I remember the last GF the Storm played without him ! It wasn't pretty.

2020-08-24T04:31:07+00:00

Birthday Suit

Roar Rookie


Great as usual Scott, always look forward to this. One other huge talking point to come out is that Aubusson has just called it quits after this season. Looks like he's holding off on surgery so he can get back to the field this season. Absolute club legend and a real role model. Really have to feel he could have given us another season or two of solid production, but absolutely can't begrudge him. The ultimate clubman.

2020-08-24T04:15:03+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


It's funny, I'd rate McInnes higher in almost every category. He gives cleaner and quicker service, he's expert at pinching a quick 10 with a scoot (or occasionally going straight through), and he drags the whole defensive line with him on the other side of the ball (he still mostly does that at 13). It's made me sceptical of the position switch since the start. There's just no denying though that Hunt at dummy half provides some energy and danger that McInnes doesn't. I think it just suits him to get his hands on the ball and make quick decisions. He makes the defence jumpy and keeps them on their heels. It just seems to work.

2020-08-24T04:14:53+00:00

JGK

Roar Guru


There's no perfect way to do it I guess. I hated the McIntyre system because of how the Dragons went out in 2004. They lost a golden point match in the 4/5 playoff against the Panthers and because the 2 and 3 team also lost they were eliminated whereas the Panthers went through the preliminary final. It was an extraordinary difference in outcome for the teams for the want of 1 point.

2020-08-24T04:08:15+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


I know I'm in the minority - and it's a few weeks before the annual 'bash the finals systems' articles are due - but this is why I always preferred the other Top 8 system. Your first finals game was (current form aside) easier the higher up you finished. It's yet to play out, but I reckon the current system gives an easier run to teams in 5-6, who get the easiest first round games available, and then take on the under-pressue loser of the Top 4 battle.

2020-08-24T03:58:19+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


Can't believe no Manly fan has jumped in yet to tell us all about the GF where the Storm lost Cam Smith...

2020-08-24T03:32:47+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


I'm with you Rob. Pearce & Mann just play off the top of their heads with lots of enthusiasm but with little planning in how to create opportunities. They should both be working to bring Ponga into the game as much as possible. He is their match winner and creator for others with his good passing game. Pearce is all over the place like kid on red cordial, and Mann (when at 6) is continually turning back inside. With Mann at 9, Ponga regained his impact on the Knights left side, but when Mann went back to 6 with Green off , Ponga was again lost, until he got that final cutout pass to seal the game late. If I was the Knights brainstrust, I would keep Mann at 9 and bring in Crossland at 6 with instructions to feed Ponga on the left at every opportunity.

2020-08-24T03:17:53+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


I think the broadcasters should issue them with notice that the minimum service standards haven't been met. They were told it would be professional rugby league they'd be broadcasting.

2020-08-24T02:46:49+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Yep ! What an awful game. A couple of half decent Ponga passes the only difference between two ordinary outfits.

2020-08-24T02:30:18+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Yep ! Injuries and lady luck play a big part in determining the outcome of each season. The Panthers are flying high right now . They have had a few injuries to key players ( Api & Edwards) and Cleary missed a couple early through ordinary dancing , but these have not been long term outs, and they have had pretty good replacements to fill in whenever required. But looking at their past few seasons from 2014 its been a mixed bag of outcomes from 4th, 11th, 6th, 7th, 5th & 10th (last year). Touch wood 2020 might remain that breakout successful year with minimal injury impacts , similar to the 2016 year of the Sharks. But as we have seen a couple of serious injuries to key players in the final rounds can change everything.

2020-08-24T02:26:04+00:00

Adam Bagnall

Roar Guru


The Knights game was one of the worst games I've seen this year and shows why the Knights are never taken seriously as contenders. For all the hype Ponga gets, mainly from Fox, who go bananas if he touches the call, I'm yet to be convinced he is an elite player. More like a player that comes and goes, a bit like Hayne. Dragons had a win, albeit scrappy to stay in the hunt and with the Tigers unlikely to win another game, and Manly struggling, they could drive their way in. Would need the Sharks to lose a few but

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