Imagine if you watched The Last Dance with a teenager and they said, “Dennis Rodman isn’t a Hall of Famer, he wouldn’t even start in the NBA today.” You would rightly throw them out the window for speaking such heresy.
Rodman was wildly successful and it’s dumb to compare him to standards of a different era. The same courtesy is rarely given to modern-day players however.
It is seemingly reserved for big men with post moves considered unlucky to have not played in an earlier decade (Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, etc). A skinny shooter is dominating a game? Try that against the ‘Bad Boy’ Pistons.
A common battleground in the GOAT debate between LeBron James and Michael Jordan is that the league was harder back in MJ’s day. Not only was hand checking legal but if you managed to get by your defender there was a burly centre or power forward ready to take your head off with no concern for flagrant fouls or ejections.
If MJ could average 30 points per game back then, he’d score 50 in today’s league without breaking a sweat.
Can’t we just enjoy the greatness of today’s players without pointing out that MJ was better? (Image: Flickr/Jason H Smith CC-BY-2.0)
Yes, defences were much more physical back in the day, but they were also greatly hindered by the illegal defence rule which made double-teaming incredibly difficult.
Put simply, illegal defence rule meant that a defender either had to be guarding their man or the player with the ball, meaning driving lanes were wide open for premier scorers since defenders couldn’t sag off their man. In his book ‘Eleven Rings’, Phil Jackson wrote that one of the primary benefits of the triangle offence was that it promoted off-ball movement and teams couldn’t double or triple-team MJ when the ball wasn’t in his hands.
The removal of the illegal defence rule in 2001 was one of the biggest rule changes in NBA history. Defenders could now roam the court freely and clog driving lanes. Suddenly, isolation scoring (particularly in the low post) was much more difficult, which led to the traditional big man slowly being phased out of the game.
This also contributed to the three-point revolution, since sharpshooters could punish defenders for leaving their man.
If you want an idea of how Rodman would fare in today’s league, check out how the Golden State Warriors completely nullified Tony Allen in the 2015 Western Conference semi-finals. Despite starring in the first three games with his stellar defence, Allen struggled to play major minutes for the rest of the series as he was such a non-threat that the Warriors didn’t even guard him, leaving an extra defender to roam freely and disrupt the Grizzlies’ offence.
Rodman was also limited offensively, but teams couldn’t scheme him out of games the same way because the illegal defence rule forced his defender to stay close to him.
Which brings us back to the GOAT debate. Basketball before and after the illegal defence rule change are vastly different sports, so comparing players between different eras without nuance is a fool’s errand.
If we’re playing 1990s basketball, MJ is better than LeBron because he is a superior isolation scorer. If we’re playing modern basketball, LeBron is better than MJ because he is a much better (and more willing) passer of the ball to pick apart quasi-zone defences.
If MJ played in the modern NBA he would’ve had a similar career to Kobe Bryant, an all-time great who would often hurt his team because his natural scoring instinct and competitiveness would compel them to take highly contested, inefficient shots.
Bell31
Roar Rookie
Lol, that’s probably right — although I think I had a similar debate on the Tennis section re GOAT there too ???? — interesting re steering clear of stats when comparing NBA legends — my perspective is that the NBA is one sport where stats are probably easier to rely on to help distinguish performance b/c of the disproportionate impact of stars in basketball vs say AFL, given the small no of players on the field. Of course, if don’t agree with that, then the whole GOAT argument really does become subjective, as so many nuances creep in. Re finals records – unlikely others, I really don’t ‘hammer’ LeBron too much in that regards – I’m more interested in championships won — I agree that his 2015/18 performances were impressive given lack of support he had. Look forward to our next debate!
Three Step Euro Pod
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Thanks mate! I think the real absurdity is writing a 4 part series on why a debate is absurd :laughing: Appreciated the scope of the arguments in your article - you comprehensively argued your point. Despite being quantitatively driven I personally try to steer clear of stats when comparing NBA legends because "greatness" is so subjective. In terms of legacy I think LeBron's performances against the Warriors in the 2015 and 2018 finals with no supporting cast were much more impressive than his performance against OKC in the 2012 finals, but if we're using finals record as a gauge of greatness then the 2015 and 2018 finals are blights on his record.
Bell31
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Good Part 2 - I like the article and agree with the commentary on the differences between eras, but as you know from my GOAT article, I still think it's a legitimate comparison, if you're willing to look at multiple stats / awards to reflect 'achievements'. Btw, I've always found the eg 'MJ would be a 50 point scorer in the current era' pretty spurious - the argument just goes around in circles doesn't it.
2dogz
Roar Rookie
Wrong there! SLO MO Joe is the Goat :stoked:
2dogz
Roar Rookie
Lebron rules? You can’t touch a player nowadays. The debate goes on
astro
Roar Rookie
You only have to check to some of the rosters from the mid-90s to see the talent level was less than it is now... We remember, Jordan, Pippen, Hakeem, Malone, Barkley etc, but forget who they played with and against. Just as an example, in the Bulls record 72 win season, the Cavs finished 4th in the East. They're starting 5 - Chris Mills, Bobby Phills, Terrell Brandon, Danny Ferry and Michael Cage. That team went 47-35.
Three Step Euro Pod
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C'mon mate you know the real GOAT is Delly :silly:
josh
Roar Rookie
If MJ played in the modern NBA he would’ve had a similar career to Kobe Bryant, an all-time great who would often hurt his team because his natural scoring instinct and competitiveness would compel them to take highly contested, inefficient shots. This feel like an mis-edited paragraph? He would have... Score first players have proven to be worthwhile in the modern NBA. Look to the likes Harden. Even Butler in the Finals. I don't buy the MJ would average 50 in this league. As even the best shooters, Curry et al. haven't. Modern defenses can shut down shooters, like a modern Jordan rules. Force them into bad spots etc. as you have noted. I'd be interested to see the stats when comparing eras. i.e. how far above the curve Jordan was compared to his peers. Did the 90s really have more garbage players/teams? Is the modern league's distribution of star players more even. But also the real GOAT is Robert Horry. 7 rings 3 teams. First non-60's Celtics player to do it.