Collingwood is one of Australia's greatest sporting clubs

By Chris Lewis / Roar Guru

As a supporter of Essendon since I was young, I was influenced by the hatred of Collingwood.

I never really knew why they were so hated. I simply followed the crowd and followed the silly sentiment, even though I lived in a Collingwood zone (Preston) where they were the most popular team.

At the 1977 VFL grand final, I was rather savage in my support for North Melbourne. I watched with a few mates that included future Magpies players at both grand finals.

Having made North my back-up team after watching Essendon get thrashed many times, I can’t really say I was loyal enough as an Essendon supporter given the number of times I attended North games during the 1970s.

Yet, as pathetic as I am, nothing is more pathetic than the simplistic hatred directed towards Collingwood.

After all, was there ever any real reason to hate them beyond their success?

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Whether you like it or not, Collingwood is one of Australia’s greatest sporting clubs, even though the Bombers have actually won the most VFL/AFL flags (16, tied with Carlton).

With maturity, I came to believe they were hated by most non-Collingwood supporters simply because of their success by either winning or playing in many grand finals.

By 1970, the Pies had won 13 flags and finished runner up 19 times, meaning they had made the grand final in 32 of 74 seasons.

The nearest team was Essendon with 23 appearances (won 12).

But, as of 2021, we still have simplistic commentary that supposedly justifies the widespread dislike.

For example, one recent online piece seeks to provide a historical basis for the dislike of Collingwood. It goes like this.

“With its Magpie name and toilet of a suburb, Collingwood fans were very much the type of people that respectable members of society would not want to associate with, let alone introduce to their parents.

“Essendon was a staunch lower-middle-class Protestant club, Melbourne was the Establishment Protestant club. Richmond and North Melbourne were Catholic clubs. Carlton, St Kilda and South Melbourne saw themselves as ‘respectable’ working class clubs and everyone saw Collingwood as occupying the lowest social status of all. Working class, Catholic and located in the poorest, most crowded, most unsanitary part of Melbourne, Collingwood players and supporters alike were regarded as aggressive, unruly, and profane.”

The same person then goes on to tell us that “their low social standing” and “the fans’ desire for success had been driven by a strong sense of social inferiority”, with this feeling supposedly responsible for Collingwood winning premierships in 1902, 1903, 1910, 1917, 1919, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1935 and 1936.

This person tells us the bleeding obvious. In a much tougher time when tribalism was a feature between different suburbs, including between Richmond and Collingwood, it was indeed Melbourne’s working-class suburbs that dominated the VFL prior to 1940, especially when you included Fitzroy’s eight premierships up to 1944.

But this is not the early 20th century.

It is 2021, and any hatred of the club cannot be justified by mumbo jumbo attacking the club if it is not without ample reason.

The simple truth is that Collingwood can claim to be one of Australia’s greatest football clubs of any code for real reasons that are due to organisation and passionate support.

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With the Pies making 32 grand finals by 1970, it is hardly surprising they continued to draw big crowds in the 1970s.

While Richmond and Melbourne played their home games at the MCG with its large capacity, Collingwood played at the relatively small Victoria Park and drew the next highest average home crowd throughout the 1970s – an era when all six matches were mostly played on Saturday afternoon.

Even in 1976, the year they won the wooden spoon, Victoria Park averaged 23,500 and they featured in four of the six largest crowds played at the MCG or Waverley with their large capacities that season.

The large fan-base had been evident for many years, including when attracting the biggest ever VFL/AFL home-and-away crowd to this day on 16 June 1958 (the Queen’s Birthday fixture) when 99,346 fans attended the defeat of Melbourne, smashing the previous record by over 40,000.

The popularity of Collingwood even led to the successful 1980 film The Club, based on the play by the Australian playwright and dramatist David Williamson, said to be inspired by the backroom dealings and antics of the club.

But let us not limit the discussion of their prowess to the past.

Let us also consider the most recent decades given that the AFL has become a much more professional league, which is far less tribal due to many factors that make it much harder for any team to dominate, along with the reality that Victorian clubs now have to compete against interstate cities with just one or two teams.

Player and club loyalty to each other is now less evident given the national draft (from 1986), the salary cap (from 1987), and players seeking higher wages at a time when the average AFL wage has increased from about 1.33 times the average full-time wage in 1990 to 4.5 times the average Australian income earner, a development aided by the ongoing increase in television revenue, which reached $418 million per year for the 2017-2022 five-year period.

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At the playing level, the Magpies have been reasonably successful, making the finals 13 times during the last 20 seasons: 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

While they won just one premiership (2010), they made four other grand finals (2002, 2003, 2011 and 2018), only matched by Hawthorn’s five appearances.

Sure, they’ve won just one premiership during the past 20 seasons. Hawthorn won four and it is three each for Brisbane, Geelong and Richmond, but it is also worth noting that Richmond did not make the finals in 13 of the past 20 seasons (2003-2012 and 2016).

From 2000 to 2019, Collingwood also achieved the highest home crowd average for most years, with only Richmond matching or surpassing their supporter attendance in around a quarter of those years, notably from 2017.

Since 2000, Collingwood has averaged over 50,000 per match per season with two years averaging over 60,000 (2009 and 2010).

But nothing may stop those who hate the club, who look for every reason to undermine its achievements and popularity.

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The same expert quoted above, who referred to the supposed riff raff associated with Collingwood to explain its incredible pre-1940 record, enlightens us with a summary of issues that are hardly unique to the Magpies, but all major sporting clubs.

Among the less silly comments, the club is riddled by off-field issues.

But in the end, on virtually all of these issues, the Pies are no worse than many other sporting clubs coming to terms with the need to influence and educate young players of various codes in a society where increasing social awareness and expectations about issues is indeed evident.

However, the reality is that Collingwood has always been a major VFL/AFL player and indeed deserves its status as one of Australia’s most famous and proud sporting clubs, whether the haters like it or not.

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-07T01:28:30+00:00

Jonno

Guest


So do all the interstate clubs! Alternative is a 34 game season and that's not going to happen is it.A 19th team will make the draw even worse?

2022-11-07T01:23:45+00:00

Jonno

Guest


What special treatment? Everyone plays each other at least once! The other 5 games are then a lottery! Alternative is play a34 game season and potentially 36 if TAS comes in? If your an interstate wowser then ask for 6 repeat games amongst yourselves!Stop whingeing

2022-10-31T01:53:09+00:00

Jonno

Guest


adt what a pathetic cyclops stop whining!

2022-04-11T06:13:37+00:00

Luke

Guest


Thing is though, the "strike rate" is dumb logic. So the Brisbane Lions and Adelaide Crows are the best team of all time? Collingwood has appeared in over 1/3 of ALL grand finals. 2/3 of ALL finals series. 15 flags. That is pretty amazing, and you know it

2022-04-11T06:10:09+00:00

Tibor

Guest


I guess if Collingwood are so unsuccessful in business then the Swans and almost every other team shouldn't receive the cheques Collingwood write for them every year so they can stay afloat? Reckon you might be one of the haters the article is referring to.

2022-04-11T05:51:03+00:00

Jasper

Guest


Yeah, that just sounds like sour grapes to me. If Collingwood were as plainly outdated with as bad a product as some ppl claim, their popularity would have disappeared long ago. The big myth to me is the idea that Collingwood fans generate some false sense of success. To my eyes, the people who can't stop talking about Collingwood's success are its legion of haters. My feeling is if Collingwood were so obviously unsuccessful you wouldn't need to say it all the time. The haters are pretty much why Collingwood will always be big, powerful and successful. The other thing is if you keep making Grand Finals you're going to win some. Only in Australia is second place considered a catastrophe. Truth is they've been in over a third of all Grand Finals, over 2/3 of all finals series, and have 15 flags. Lots of clubs wont reach 15 in another century It's a great article Chris.

2021-03-25T08:56:51+00:00

John


Hate? Really?

2021-03-24T21:25:36+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


The best thing collingwood could do now for good PR and to distance themselves from Eddie, after eddies melt down again last night would be to let Port wear their prison bar guernsey, twice a year in showdowns. He seems to be the only one that really cares whether we do or not. His copyright argument is a load of rubbish as well.

2021-03-24T19:57:24+00:00

Davico

Roar Pro


I see that Eddie is having another meltdown re Port wanting to wear the striped jumper and has stated it is a 'Trademark Issue' I am not a Port fan, but if he thinks the designs of the 2 jumpers are the same he is a clown or blind. The actual design of the traditional NM and Collingwood jumpers are far similar. When it comes to the Magpie thing, fair enough, you can't have two clubs with the same mascot/logo, but as for the jumpers this seems much ado about nothing!

2021-03-23T19:52:19+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Blame the AFL: could've scheduled them as the away side for Hawthorn or NM.

AUTHOR

2021-03-23T08:10:07+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


yes, Essendon fans at windy hill were scary as

2021-03-23T07:34:47+00:00

Kane

Roar Rookie


No, he's not contracted beyond this year. Last I heard was they were waiting to see what the cap was going to be i think because of the Covid cuts. I can't see him leaving but in all honesty I wouldn't have a clue. Would love to see him and a fit Charlie Curnow play 100 games together but god knows if that'll ever happen. As for the result, I reckon we should win with our speed but nothing is a guarantee with Carlton anymore.

AUTHOR

2021-03-23T05:56:18+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


yes. the draw is an issue. I wrote 11 years ago the draw is unfair as the big Melbourne clubs play each other twice.

2021-03-23T05:34:43+00:00

Aaron Paul

Roar Rookie


I hate them for the special treatment they get in the draw, so that the afl makes more money, many a year has a sub par collingwood side made the finals off of the back of a soft draw

2021-03-23T01:14:24+00:00

MarkD

Guest


Great clubs promote the game they play . This club won't even go to Tassie!

2021-03-22T22:58:00+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


Should we be saying that hating Collingwood is politically incorrect?

AUTHOR

2021-03-22T22:50:28+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


Thanks FabPhil, I now have a soft spot for Colingwood because of the barrage of attacks on Collingwood in recent months which I feel is over the top. I am hoping that Collingwood can bounce back. I sure know the Club and players will be trying. For all of the game problems last week, although they could have won with a bit of luck given key moment slip ups, you cannot doubt their will to win.

2021-03-22T22:32:53+00:00

FabPhil

Roar Rookie


That was a good read, Chris. We're similar it seems, except that I lived in Essendon zones all my life and have, perhaps for that reason, become one of those rare Pies supporters with a soft spot for the Bombers - not losing in '90 no doubt helped nurture that.

2021-03-22T21:58:55+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Yep, the gravel on the ground. Tubes for standing on. And my favourite, inch of urine flowing out of the clogged urinal onto the shoes of the 100 queued.

2021-03-22T21:35:05+00:00

Davico

Roar Pro


Collingwood is one of Australia's most over rated sporting clubs whose fans have delusions of granduer.

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