Coach’s Corner Issue 15: Where the Waratahs defence is going astray

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Thanks for all the questions. I am trying to answer some of the easier ones in the callout itself.

I’d love to hear about some areas for the Waratahs to fix their defence. They’ve made great strides in attack but not on the other side of the ball.

All the commentary from the coaches and players are about accountability – both on individual tackling and on staying in the systems.

Is that where the major issues lie? Or was ‘Leahry’ on to something the other week challenging the systems?

– Jeznez

If I could add to Jez’s questions… is our defence coach, Jason Gilmore, good enough for Super Rugby level?

– Machooka

A couple of weeks ago, Nick Leah wrote an interesting article attacking the methods of Rod Penney and Jason Gilmore at the Waratahs, and Dave Wessels at the Rebels. All three came in for scathing criticism, not all of it warranted.

One aspect he did identify accurately was the deficiency of the current NSW defensive system employed by Gilmore. It is quite similar to the system run by then-Glasgow Warriors’ defence coach Matt Taylor, when he was working with Dave Rennie in Scotland.

Now the pair are coaching the Wallabies at international level, but Taylor has significantly tweaked the pattern he used in the UK.

That pattern is a bend-but-don’t-break formation. It never fields fewer than two players in the backfield or more than 12 in the front line. The scrumhalf plays as a sweeper hopping from one ruck to the next in between the two lines. It is very hard to mount an effective rush from this system – the rush works best with 13 or 14 in the line – so defence on the edges tends to be soft and reactive.

That is meat and drink to attacking teams from New Zealand:

This is only the second phase from lineout and New South Wales are already in a parlous position when the Crusaders move the ball back towards the site of the throw.

They are trying to protect their left flank with a group of forwards with Jack Dempsey on the outside, one defender – Jack Maddocks – coming out of the backfield, and with their scrumhalf Jake Gordon stranded in midfield behind the first ruck. There is just too much space for the Crusaders to work their passing magic out wide:

Gordon is trying to cheat away from his sweeper role behind the ruck early and help out his forwards, but in the final analysis he is too far away from the target area, and so is Maddocks.

The Crusaders were able to peel off any number of easy metres down the sides of the field:

In the final example, if Gordon was defending wide in the line outside Lalakai Foketi, the line spacings would be tighter and it would be much harder for Richie Mo’unga to find a hole.

While there are problems with the system, it is too early – much too early – to condemn Jason Gilmore to the scrapheap. It is a learning process, and the success of the Junior Wallabies side he coached should have earned him some credit in the bank.

(Photo by Mark Evans/Getty Images)

The Kiwis have obviously worked hard at upper body and torso strength so they can wrestle a person to the ground quickly and effectively – you also see this is how hard it is to clean them out from a breakdown. One guy choke-tackles to the ground and the second is a jackal immediately. The choke tackle makes it difficult for the runner to long place or present the ball for his Aussie teammates so the New Zealand jackal can do his work more effectively. Aussies seem to go low – Kiwis can offload, pop, or long place easily and present lightning-quick ball for halves.

– Inside Pass

First, there is a lot of side entry being allowed, and that so often slows down fast ball.

Secondly, as you say “one guy choke tackles to the ground and the second is a jackal immediately”. That is all fine and good as long as the second player is not assisting with the tackle. If he is, he must show clear release before going for the ball. This is not being well refereed.

– Mzilikazi

Something that I noticed live in the Reds game is that it appeared they had made a real concerted effort in how the tackled player delivered the ball.

It is one forgotten area that can make or break the contest for the ball on the ground. Without having reviewed the game, it felt like the Reds ball carriers made better decisions and dynamic movements to avoid turnovers/penalties?

– Goady

Against a competent modern forward attack with well-drilled cleanouts, like the Brumbies, has attempting to pilfer or force a penalty at the breakdown become a low percentage play?

– Rhys Bosley

The breakdown remains the single biggest issue in the game. How is it being refereed in different parts of the world? How can attacks generate quick ball? How can defenders work in concert to create turnover opportunities? These are all very much issues under the spotlight.

‘Lightning-quick ball’, or LQB for short – typically ruck ball which takes under two seconds to deliver – has become the new buzzword for attacking teams. The most surprising aspect is that it is English refereeing culture which is holding the torch and leading the way to its production, maybe for the first time in the history of the game, amateur or professional.

I will take some liberties with the questions above and look at the gulf which currently exists in the refereeing of the tackle area in the English Premiership compared to the Trans-Tasman competition.

In Super Rugby Trans-Tasman, the tackle revisions have become largely an excuse to reward the defender and create more turnover ball. Here are some examples from the weekend match between the Highlanders and the Rebels:

This is a situation of the type Inside Pass describes, with the tackle going from high to low and exposing the ball-carrier to a jackalling attempt. The referee ignores two illegalities by Highlanders prop Ethan de Groot in order to allow turnover. De Groot drags his hands back from a spot well ahead of the ball before locking on to it, and he is not supporting his own bodyweight fully throughout the process.

In the following two cases, the referee never demands a clear release by the tackler (or assist tackler) before they are permitted to attack the ball again:

It is impossible to make a quick, long placement of the ball if the tackler never releases the ball-carrier or gets out of the way of the attacking support players:

This last instance shows how a tackler anda jackal can work in tandem to exploit the grey area immediately after a tackle is made. Both the Highlanders’ number 7 and 13 are shaving the margins of refereeing down to the bare bone. The tackler stays on the wrong side just long enough to impede a cleanout by the first support player, Brumbies number 9 Joe Powell, and protect a jackal attempt with entry at a 45-degree angle.

Now compare those examples, with some instances from the weekend match between Harlequins and Bath in the English Premiership. There has been an explosion of LQB and high scoring in the Gallagher Premiership, and this game was no exception – it ended up 44-33 to the Quins, with 77 points and ten tries shared between the teams.

The breakdown was extremely well managed by Tom Foley and contributed to the positive tone of play mightily. English refs demand a clear release by the tackler, or a clear exit from the tackle zone before they will even consider allowing a turnover.

Foley gave six penalties in the first half alone for the tackler failing to move away from the ball with sufficient urgency:

If the tackler fails to clear the zone immediately, or the jackal enters at an angle or fails to support his bodyweight fully in all phases of the turnover, he is penalised.

There is an immediate change of behaviour by the players as a result: they are much more likely to chance their attacking arms, and here Bath scrumhalf Ben Spencer scoots away from two tapped penalties in succession, creating a try from the second.

The following two examples illustrate just how much the new protocol has changed behaviours at the tackle area and increased the tempo of the game at the breakdown in the Premiership:

The tackler in both instances flips to his own side of the breakdown immediately with no questions asked. He knows the referee will show zero tolerance if he loiters. That means long, quick placements, LQB and a defensive line which has had less time to reset. Ultimately, it means increased speed of play and more scoring opportunities.

Tate McDermott passes from the ruck. (Photo by Jono Searle/Getty Images)

Assuming that we keep (or expand) our Super Rugby local phase next year, could we not consider a three (or two) team contingent formed from the five Australian franchises pooling resources?

The New Zealanders would be happy to have genuine competition. The enthusiasts would be happy to have an exciting local comp with lots of derbies. And certain rusted-on tragics (such as myself) would be happy to see two or three teams of Wallaby triallists genuinely go toe-to-toe with the dark forces.

It would not just be playing resources that would be shared, but coaching resources also. A genuine nationally coordinated development effort?

– Ken Catchpole’s Other Leg.

There would be an inherent disadvantage to be overcome with teams that have come together a week or two earlier up against teams that have been together all season.

– Soapit

Is it possible to keep the five-team domestic competition in situ, while condensing five teams into three for the Trans-Tasman tournament?

It is obvious that five Australian regional sides cannot match up with the same number of teams from New Zealand on a level playing field. The advantages for Dave Rennie would be clear. With three sides instead of five – the winners of Super Rugby AU as a standalone, and the Brumbies and Rebels, and Force and Waratahs pairing up, he would receive the benefit from a succession of national trials. In one composite starting XV:

Angus Bell, Feleti Kaitu’u, Harry Johnson-Holmes, Sitaleki Timani and Fergus Lee-Warner.
Lachie Swinton, Tim Anstee and Michael Hooper.
Jake Gordon and Will Harrison.
Mark Nawaqanitase, Kyle Godwin, Izaia Perese, James Ramm and Jack Maddocks.

In the other:

Allan Alaalatoa, Jordan Uelese, Cabous Eloff, Trevor Hosea and Cadeyrn Neville.
Rob Valetini, Pete Samu and Jahrome Brown.
Nic White and Noah Lolesio.
Marika Koroibete, Matt To’omua, Len Ikitau, Tom Wright and Tom Banks/Reece Hodge.

The Reds could also be supplemented by any players of national interest left on the sidelines. The potential problem is that you are creating a new level of infrastructure and there would have to be a much bigger gap between the start of the Trans-Tasman and the end of the domestic competitions. At least three to four solid weeks would be needed for the new squads to be assembled and coached. If there is the revenue to support it, it is an idea worth exploration.

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Thanks once again to all who contributed questions, or refinements to questions!

The Crowd Says:

2021-06-20T13:07:14+00:00

Phil

Roar Rookie


Hi Nick I’m slow to get to this article and got excited by the title. But there wasn’t a whole lot of detail about what was wrong with the Waratahs defence. I thought you might be able to provide some more in depth analysis about it considering It was one of the biggest issues for the Tahs this year (unless I’ve missed an earlier article). Not a lot of readers commenting on it either and I get the impression many can comment that it was bad but couldn’t point out why. Are you able to provide some more detail - perhaps a whole article - about why it was so bad? Thanks Phil

AUTHOR

2021-06-06T10:41:32+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes it was an awkward situation, even if DR had given his stamp of approval by picking Gus in the WBs!

2021-06-05T22:24:21+00:00

MichaelJ0

Roar Rookie


You are correct, it doesn't address your point. At the time NZ Rugby proposed the three AU teams I believe they were looking at making the Super Rugby competition appealing but keeping the same round robin approach that has been used for the last twenty years. I am suggesting we continue with the two local competitions, Super Au and Super Aotearora and after they get played out play the Trans Tasman with the NZ teams playing against the two Australian teams as well as the Fijian and Pasifika teams. The concern about five teams playing four can be addressed a number of ways such as giving the NZ teams a bye, having another Australian team or even having another Pacific team. I personally am not in favour of three Australian teams as it would diminish the intent of TT being a curtain raiser for the Wallabies and to utilise only the Wallaby squad. The intent is not to make the Australian teams competitive but to win the TT competition, consistently. Bring back that winning feeling that attracts crowds and broadcasters.

2021-06-05T22:06:22+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


From 1995, yes. From 2015 like a stone over a cliff, we just watched on like George Smith, "in slow motion". I pulled this from an article I wrote, and this very much holds true: "This is complex and while we were basically content for Cameron Clyne, Bill Pulver and Raelene Castle to turn up and collect the kudos and pay cheques, we must hold Hamish McLellan and Rob Clarke to much higher expectations. More short-term and temporary fixes are not the solution."

2021-06-05T14:06:33+00:00

Fin

Guest


Hi Nick, Tom Robertson left the Tahs because he was having difficulties given that Gus Bells dad is the scrum coach there which was an uncomfortable conflict of interest for TR who was competing directly with Bell for a spot in the team. TR even resorted to seeking most of his scrum coaching from an external provider. Tahs culture not good, Nick.

2021-06-05T07:41:09+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


i think we shouldnt judge them too harshly in hindsight. it was a slow decline

2021-06-05T05:48:50+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


Sadly there is a very good chance we all know the answer to that question. This is where constitutional change is necessary. The NSW constitution is not fit for purpose in regard to the running of a professional rugby organisation. RA should be running all professional rugby under one umbrella. The constituent unions that comprise NSWRU could run their own show so in fact the union itself has past its use by date. I will be interested to see just how far McLennan's constitutional changes go.

2021-06-05T05:42:55+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


I think the decline started in 1995 so I agree there are no grounds to rest on our laurels. However, I thought the analogy was poor. I think there will be further improvement in the last round of the TT and we would have seen that in a second round. Our solvency issues, RWC hangover, COVID and domestic only rugby has left us in a weakened position to face NZ teams. We will be much better prepared next year and will be in a position to take advantage of being able to play these teams. Our administration needs to take major steps to restore the game to being a top 4 nation.

AUTHOR

2021-06-05T05:35:05+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes I would have assumed that Penney was there to build a cultural framework for the club as a whole, but it never happened. Judging by Nick Leah's comments, it sounded like it was never going to happen - and there seems to be a lot antipathy towards Jason Gilmore too. So maybe the right question is, Are the Tahs as an organization ready to back a new coach fully and just let him get on with it?

2021-06-05T05:32:41+00:00

Perthstayer

Roar Rookie


:laughing: Once since 2003 and the wins in the 90's. Our laurels are very thin. It's a results business regardless of track record. My point is change is required as it is with Italy, they are looking at all options and we should as well, starting at SR level

2021-06-05T05:29:10+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


Thanks Nick. That rings a bell with Penney, but a lot of the focus was on his Canterbury role (anti Kiwi influence I guess). At the same time though, I really felt his strength was going to be in building pathways for player development. Because of our own failings we really need people like that and he is a bit of a loss. Agree on JG though. If Whittaker is happy as his assistant that speaks a lot and they should run with that, they are going not that badly in the TT. They just need a lot better pre-season I think, and a bit more experience will be good. Another turnover of staff is probably not worth bringing someone else in. There are basics to fix.

AUTHOR

2021-06-05T05:25:09+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes you can see the Aussie sides learning on the hoof - but that is not really the purpose of the comp is it? Many years ago they tried to pair up the NRL with Super League clubs in England, and the diff in standards was embarrassing... While it is not that bad in the two versions of SR, the gulf is still quite obvious.

2021-06-05T05:23:00+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


You would need to be very specific about the points I raise if you want to disagree with them. No plan, no interest in implementing it and just manipulate their reporting of performance. Which part of that do you see as underpinning a major revival in rugby in Australia over the next ten years? In the same vein, what massive changes have we made? COVID is a distraction which forced the end of the 16 team SR which was failing because the concept had run its course. NRC was canned due to money and was yet to find its place, if that was possible. We are just doing the same thing, although probably better and cheaper execution than the last administration and within the constraints of COVID.

AUTHOR

2021-06-05T05:20:29+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Rod Penney did, Gilmore didn't (Penney was head coach at Munster). Jason Gilmore had success with the under 20's so doesn't make sense to find out whether he can coach at a higher level and give him a real shot?

AUTHOR

2021-06-05T05:18:26+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes and a lot of common sense. If one player drops their head in contact below the hips it becomes much more likely that will be some kind of uncontrolled contact. That happens all the time with jackaling...

AUTHOR

2021-06-05T05:15:01+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I think you've put your finger on the issue Mugs. There are two diff drives in the law-making atm. [1] to protect player's heads (concussions etc, and [2] to produce a cleaner breakdown. You cannot satisfy both if you're still encouraging a defender to dip their head below hips and 'lock on' over a tackle ball. If he/she has room to pick it up, no problem - but if there are any doubts about angles/bodyweight etc, then you limit that kind of contest.

2021-06-05T04:58:28+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


i think we have different views on the last administration and the 10 captains efforts but i think given we've been forced to make so much change we should have a strategy about where we want to end up long term. we need to get too far to think we're going to be able to just get things sorted right from next year. hopefully im wrong tho.

2021-06-05T03:15:45+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


I read here that we over 40% of SR games 2010 - 2015 before it fell over a cliff. Major investment is required to turn this around, we have been in decline since 1995. The current crowd is an improvement but doing a better job on the same strategy will not succeed. At this stage the PE money will repay debt and increase player payments which will flow on into administration costs. A domestic focus will not deliver immediate improvement at an international level. TV rights and sponsorship revenue will slowly deflate and we go back to being amateur. That was a mirage "things were so bad we might have to have returned to amateur" is the same as "we are insolvent and can't pay players".

2021-06-05T03:08:08+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


Are we comparable to Italy? Australia has been in 4 RWC finals, winning two.

2021-06-05T03:06:45+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


The last plan was a vague document and annual targets were massaged down as we went, allowing RA executives to keep receiving bonuses. There was no annual reporting against the original plan because we went backwards from the starting point!!!!!! The ten captains stated the obvious; the administration was hopeless and we needed a comprehensive review of the game, which they offered to assist with. That would be the necessary starting point for a 5 or 10 year plan. McLean made a statement that this was not necessary as the board were conducting their own. Don't hold your breath for any outcome on that. Western Sydney remains a barren desert filled by AFL, NRL and soccer players and supporters.

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