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You have to play to your strengths or away from your weaknesses.

My unhappy recollection would be that QLD players didn’t need to know how to play running rugby and NSW didn’t have the players to play 10 man rugby.

Professional rugby is not the problem

Editing seems to be the problem here, probably due to a naming error on the file.

Although if they recognised the error immediately they may have thought that “Burgess recalls why he fell out with club coach while also acknowledging that it was a long time ago and only his perception of the situation” lacked punch.

Sam Burgess' explosive claims about the man he thinks sabotaged England's 2015 World Cup

The difference between NH and SH.

Inflexible game plan v playing what is front of me

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Old saying? Professional sport will soon part an ego from its money

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Its not the height of the man, Nick. Its the size of the appetite that counts. Plus thirst!!

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Thanks Nick, all we can do is speculate, wait and watch. I suspect that the professional rugby world we have known for 25 years is about to be turned upside down. Probably a few other sports as well. Hopefully good people will not be hurt badly.

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Don’t know the answer to this but I was having a conversation about athletes in another sport. Admittedly a long time ago but the science at the time was streets ahead of rugby. On this exact subject we were discussing athletes who just stood out for their ability to recover from intense effort.

I am sure they are training for it but it could be a case of ‘you can’t put in what God left out’.

Having said that, although I will never be 6’7″, never have great recovery intervals, I do feel with time, patience and the right diet, I can have a genuine crack at 120kg.

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Yes I did momentarily pause and wonder if I should set them off.

Super Rugby Aotearoa introduces golden point

Thanks for the insights Nick, we are all turning inwards here, probably the same everywhere else.
The three Reds could be the tip of the iceberg. While it was a great move persuading the top players to sacrifice the most salary now, it cannot be sustainable.
The continuing assumption is that players will be able to continue moving north for big money. I am not so sure that all private owners will necessarily survive a downturn, be able to sustain payments or just drop salaries significantly because they can.
You mention England’s short term problems, do you see the same happening in France? Are longer term implications starting to appear?

Has South African rugby let the genie out of the bottle?

Inappropriate for this competition

Super Rugby Aotearoa introduces golden point

😡 that is what they said during the pre-season

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

I think the potential is there Geoff but I think they will need to do a lot better than a charitable appeal. They have to get bums on seats twice, and eyeballs on the TV four times.

RA has treated the supporter base with disdain for too long. While I would expect there will be more goodwill than the TV negotiations, there has to be a limit to how many times they can rely on supporters to just turn up.

If they do not have a 21-25 deal sorted by then, the Bledisloe tests (and RC maybe) will be life or death for RA.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

So to sum up, you think it should be straight forward because we only have to worry about the test schedule for the year and with a bit of goodwill it can be sorted out?

If that is so, then it is a huge indictment against Castle and Clyne, because the mere act of removing them restores goodwill. Surely they cannot have been that bad?

We gave Fox the finger, and my view would be that their offer already included a goodwill component.

If Fox is favourably inclined, this could be an opportunity to align the players RA and Fox to negotiate a 20-25 contract based on incentives.

Going to the table with Fox to discuss a part season only, with no promises for next year seems like going to a gun fight with the Earps with one bullet.

Signing up a fixed cost deal with the players with no broadcast deal in place just repeats the last error.

Leaving a broadcast deal until next year hoping that the economy bounces out of COVID strongly and restoring broadcast values is another risk. As is relying on 2021 being a return to normal programming.

Timing could be good while the NRL ratings remain high. Fox may feel after renegotiating that contract that they have some money in the pocket they can risk on rugby.

This is a problem with an interim CEO. There is probably no expectation on Clarke other than to conclude a 2020 TV deal and the EBA with the players. He may be reluctant to commit an incoming CEO to a long term TV deal he negotiated. Flip side is whether they can hire a CEO without a long term deal in place.

Definitely not straight forward.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

You would have to think, given all of the controversy to date and the lack of a broadcasting deal, they have not even have started.

That probably works out well that the player negotiations will be live with the broadcast deal. RA is at least able to negotiate an outcome that aligns the broadcaster, themselves and the players.

A lot more challenging but it will probably be more robust and perhaps drive a better five year strategic planning process than the previous lame effort.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

What are your rights if you ask an intelligent question and get a stupid reply?

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Key point there Geoff, is that the international component makes it tough for RA to put together a proposal, even just for 2020. At the same time I think that is what makes rugby a potentially more valuable product. One of RA’s failings is that they have devalued rugby by allowing Fox to evaluate it through a NRL/AFL domestic paradigm.

As a side note, this worries me about McLellan, as he seems to be doing the same thing, seeing what he achieved with the Big Bash, and a state of origin as game changers for rugby.

I still remain a critic of RA for not having got their broadcast deal sewn up, mainly because it was sloppy management. Although we can’t confirm at this stage, I have suggested that the reason Fox was rejected was that it could not cover the anticipated cost base.

Given Fox is not locked in as the future broadcaster there is no value in them overpaying just to ease RA’s costs. That number will surely be significantly lower than the cost of running RA in its current form (after initial RA and SR franchise redundancies).

Clarke appears to be indicating there will be more significant cuts to expenditure and I don’t think he will be ruling out renegotiation of player contracts.

At the same time there is no real incentive for anyone else to step in either without a long term deal which won’t be happening considering what happens in 2021 and beyond is a complete mystery. This could become an annual problem for a while and we will suffer for not having something in place so we would just be arguing about the relative values of components in the contracted arrangement.

One alternative is to shift the risk back to RA who will need to negotiate something a little more innovative with FTA, pay TV and the players. Not sure that is within the capability of people who think that ‘not wasting a crisis’ means an opportunity to crudely slash costs.

Fox already recognise that there is commercial value in the Sydney and Brisbane club competitions. RA needs to tinker a bit there to ensure that will operate well. There needs to be a lot of work done to ensure an NRC can be viable, attract support and add value to the local underlying competitions. If they can do that they might just figure out how to increase support for super rugby sides who will preferably be part of some form of international competition.

Sadly I suspect that this is also beyond the capability of the current inmates.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Hey Carlos, the Waratahs could not possibly be saying ‘no’ to new supporters. Apply ‘now’.

Plus you have experience in supporting ‘underdogs’, you probably have been missing that of late.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

It depends CH, in the initial years it certainly has been part development opportunity. Ideally I guess SANZAAR/Foxsports would liked to have seen the Sunwolves as a virtual national side too.

This is what is disappointing about the proposed 2021-25 structure, just more of the same. For Argentina to continue developing they needed to move to two SR sides.

Australia benefited greatly from the Pacific nations in the early seventies to put bums on seats and score a few wins. We should be looking for an opportunity to include them rather than just automatically eliminating them because they do not look like goldmines.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Common sense says this was inevitable. In some ways I am not sure one team in SR for 2021-25 was the best way forward for Argentina rugby. Continued expansion could only be possible if the market for SR was growing, rather than contracting. COVID certainly makes it all too hard.

On the flip side will RC remain viable for Argentinian rugby if their best players go to Europe? Is professional rugby sustainable? Is their provincial future in the Americas?

Sorry Carlos, just figuring you had time on your hands 😁

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

This will make victory all the more satisfying. Tahs sure to come out vastly improved after four months not playing.

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

Makes sense for the players stats which is not unimportant. These are Super Rugby standard games, even if that Australian Conference Super Rugby standard. Otherwise you end up with XYZ playing 50 SR games, 8 APC games, then 10 SRANZ games in 2021 etc

Force ready for Super Rugby AU scalps, but Sunwolves won’t make the trip

They must have longed for social distancing of 1.5 m

The Wrap: COVID-19 laws set to revolutionise Australian rugby

True, but I had already filed that comment under ‘ Harsh, but fair’ 😢

The Wrap: COVID-19 laws set to revolutionise Australian rugby

No wonder, denied their only opportunity to mix with forwards.

The Wrap: COVID-19 laws set to revolutionise Australian rugby

I think we need to see a lot more of Johnson. Some respected people have said Johnson did a great job as rugby director in Scotland, mainly behind the scenes and out of the spotlight.

I trust he is doing the same here, but we need to engage supporters with RA and the game. Like it or not, he needs to be seen and heard.

Another article expressed the frustration with the lack of media coverage of rugby. Whether it is too much being done behind closed doors or just secretive inactivity RA does not seem to have a strategy to rebuild interest.

These sporting administrators working for RA seem to think the problems will be solved with a better broadcast deal that includes FTA. The problem is they can’t get a viable broadcast deal because too few supporters are interested in watching.

Rennie has no illusions over task ahead