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10 Nations Rugby is here

Welcome to the inaugural 10 Nations International Rugby Championship! This is a new initiative by me to provide a round robin ranking of the top ten teams in the world, as opposed to the World Cup which is pool and knockout-based.

we just have to stay focused on what the point of it all is. we can improve structures and rise to 5 or maybe 4 consistently but will that be the magic bullet that these guys are hoping? if not we need to have something else as a major part of our plan to keep fans and dollars. some of these other things may potentially be at odds with reducing teams.

Penney warns NZ Rugby off going alone

The problem is expecting that wee can bank on those on the bandwagon (and their dollars) sticking around when every other team is working just as hard to make sure we don’t even get a proportionate share of the success

Penney warns NZ Rugby off going alone

I completely understand Eddie’s theory as you’ve explained. It may well be a factor. It’s more narrow to believe that’s the only factor though
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To me it’s fairly self evident wales irelsnd and Scotland have improved to be genuine level competitors which they weren’t 15 years ago. The reason could well be as you say. But it doesn’t actually matter. we can improve our structures again but we can’t make them make their structures worse to where they were, whatever the reason for the shift , so we aren’t as likely to rise as high as easily as we did before when their form was worse.
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If you drop but the other side rises, simply getting to where you were doesn’t mean you will get ahead like you used to be. Unless the other 6 suffers above us go back again there no reason to assume we can consistently be where we were. It’s a high risk strategy to have it as your only way to grow our even maintain your fan base and$$ and unlikely to achieve sustainability for the code as eventually the weight of factors working against you will tell.
If we think reducing teams is the best thing for the code then fine. But it can’t be just because that’s what may make the Wallabies better as the sole reason.

Penney warns NZ Rugby off going alone

Mate it may well have had an impact, we’re 7th after all, but there’s lots of factors involved, most obvious of which is the improvement of the 6 teams above us.
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I think we are at a low and some changes we can make should see if go higher but whether or not we get to three (say) just isn’t up to us alone and based off recent international results is statistically difficult.
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Eddie’s theory is based solely around the Wallabies doing well which will fix everything. It’s not as likely as it was when he was coaching here and we shouldn’t be holding that as such a key for our success to the point where everything has to be bent to try and get there. Because more than likely we won’t. Eddie’s focus is all wrong and is skewed by his experience of how things used to work when he was involved. .
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But maybe that’s ok too, a small sport where we occasionally make it near or even right to the top in the world and a strong amateur scene. Theres just a bit more depth needed in the discussion analysis than Eddie is giving

Penney warns NZ Rugby off going alone

whats eddie plan if we cut teams and kill our domestic scene but the wallabies still only get to 5th (behind nz Sa and two of the 6n)?

eddie thinks it will all be the same as when he was in oz. times have changed. we can be as good as we can be and still be beaten regularly by multiple 6n teams (not the case in his day)

Penney warns NZ Rugby off going alone

thought the new nsw 9’s pass looked pretty good on occasion and lonergans seemed ok too from memory. early days, i dont think the urgency is there for these young guys at 9 like it is in 10 and 12 so we can afford to wait and see a bit more there

Australia’s other forgotten man stands up at Suncorp

mate im not saying pick all the young guys as starters now because of how old the alternatives will be. but given its fairly rare backs get better beyond 32 i think there needs to be conscious plan for a transition that we’ll need at least some of these young guys for the wc. selection surely is always a mix of what will win today with at least some amount of building for the future. shouldnt be solely picking the guys full of experience for the win now and then lose half or more of them at once and then all the young guys come in together. give them a chance to actually learn from these experienced guys and get blooded with them around while the older guys are still going ok.
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not that fussed if it doesnt happen this year but imo should be at least starting next year (form willing). on the other side of the coin i dont think we should pick all experienced heads over better performing youngsters simply because they have been involved in tests, none have a record at test level that justifies that (tevita excepted perhaps, but he’ll be there anyway as no one is close at 13)

Australia’s other forgotten man stands up at Suncorp

you could do worse than muirhead as well if we’re going down to kellaway. consistent quality.

locks pretty light on especially considering skelton is still a bit unknown how this new form from the uk will translate when he gets back to oz.

Australia’s other forgotten man stands up at Suncorp

yep if youre looking to the next world cup that makes 3 x 33 yr olds and a 32 yo in the backline. cant see them all being in form at that age so we do need to allow for some youth to come in in the not too distant future
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agree with the rest of your post too, those young guys need to start getting time pretty soon and its warranted now on form this year (and last if you take out tests which they didnt play)

Australia’s other forgotten man stands up at Suncorp

at the risk of always comparing to nz thats something the ab’s have always done well jacko, new talent always feels they can earn a shot if they play consistently well. you can easily imagine performances dropping in super level if theres little chance of promotion if youre not in the chosen circle.

Australia’s other forgotten man stands up at Suncorp

Couldn’t find it at a quick look but isn’t there a rule that you have to start bound til the balls out?

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

nah theres something else going on, sometimes you just cant get a space to appear between the para breaks no matter how long you wait. maybe its something t do with the edit thing like robbo says. i do use that a bit

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

im not qualified to judge but some seem to think that tupou wasnt scrumming correctly first. i also think a pt would have been more appropriate punishment for nsw as well as being more consistent with previous reffing. seems as well they think bell didnt do anything illegal in the collapse.
i do think that they have been a lot better recently with my description above of what should happen (and said so above). i do think there is still a temptation to only ref the team that is going backwards though so i dont think we’re there yet. better than 10 yrs ago though.
solution is simply, ref both sides every time regardless of which side is going forward (and which side went forward last scrum). i dont think its a massive problem tho tbh, more one that the individual ref got a little wrong on the night

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

Geoff I don’t see this as a big deal. Really the main point of the rule is to stop a half standing over the ball for 60 secs to wind a game down and it’s done it’s job for that

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

Shows how little rugby is on leagues radar Jacko and why a proper code merger will almost definitely never happen. Imagine getting those guys to give up anything to join the union club

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

Which creates the question are we disadvantaging ourselves by playing under different rules than will need to be perfected in the tests

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

No issue with a penalty won that way. So long as no illegality occurred prior by the other team in achieving dominance

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

Whoever infringes first should be penalised and if no one does then reset on the new mark. (Or free kick to feeding team in my perfect world)
Can’t see there being no infringements in a disintegrated scrum

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

Yes that was a good succinct way to sum it up

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

I think it’s something that could be learnt to manage ok but it’s probably a weird one to bust out at training.
Ok guys let’s practice what we’re gonna do if it scrum gets smashed

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

I actually think there’s been a marked improvement recently and they haven’t just been rewarding whoever’s going forward as much recently. I was going to say that in my previous post but didn’t for no reason. I’m certainly no position to judge with my expertise. We really did seem to be at that point a few years ago where they were just pinging you for going backwards and that isn’t policing both sides evenly. My main issue with sat nights one was normally they don’t care for school issues so quickly (normally just go pt) and it didn’t seem like it was Bell every time
I guess my point is that a scrum should be able to go backwards without getting penalised if they hold together and stay up

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

hi geoff, not sure if theres too many negatives here Promising young prop Angus Bell had a tough night, but nothing that won’t hurt his long-term career prospects

on the scrum thats been a bug bear of mine for those who want the dominant scrum rewarded. theres no other aspect of the game that the refs ignore the rules so long as someone dominates. you still have to tackle, ruck and maul in accordance within the laws if youre stronger and if youre weaker in a tackle, ruck or maul, that alone isnt enough to get you penalised. its a cop out for the refs which basically concedes they dont have the ability to geuinely polices the laws at scrum time.

one thing id like a bit more focus on is stricter definition who a tackler is, plenty of times someone lends a hand in bringing someone down and is then there right over the ball for the steal. to easy for the defence to have an inherent advantage. if you touch a player on the way down you should be a tackler then and should clear the area before rejoining the contest.

oh and get rid of most of the au rule changes. rugbys complicated enough to not introduce a need need the ref to call out what line youre behind every single time a kick happens.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

doesnt seem to work on some devices.

seems to work on computer but not my android phone

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

No idea. You’d have to ask the players

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

pretty sure nrl commentators just ask the player how they pronounce it. little bit of effort but not much for guys who are sposed to be the best in the country (the fox guys).

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?