Coach's Corner Issue 17: Do the Wallabies have what it takes in the second row?

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Thanks to all who contributed a question once again. Answers will concentrate on the Wallaby possibilities in various departments of the Wallabies team leading into the July series with France.

Not happy with the locks, apart from Matt Philip and was almost expecting Izack Rodda to be named regardless. Lopeti Timani needs to show some of what he had and LSL has been poor all season.

– stillmissit

I really hope Rodda is selected for the Rugby Championship, quarantine made Rodda only practical for the third French Test. Agree about the locks though.

– PeterK

Watching the Reds versus the Blues last week, I love the Reds locks, but size-wise they seemed dwarfed. What is the best balance? An athlete like Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, and a Rory Arnold or Will Skelton? Can Matt Philip be that rock? Do any of the newbies like Darcy Swain have the size?

– Grev

On overseas-based players, do you think Arnold is a chance to be selected for the Rugby Championship?

– PeterK

I heard today that Philip scored in his last game to win the game, which somehow freed him to return sooner rather than later?

– Ken Catchpole’s Other Leg

I’ve built some comparative tables to help answer these questions. They include performance in Super Rugby Trans-Tasman by the home-based second rows, and in the Top 14 regular season by those based overseas. In possession:

Mins played Carry intervals (mins) Gain-line dominance [decisive outcomes] Average lineout wins per game (own throw)
Rory Arnold 671 11.6 17% [+6] 5.6
Will Skelton 1143 9 26% [+5] 0.3
Izack Rodda 1657 12.8 9% [+2] 3
Matt Philip 912 8.2 12% [+9] 3.1
Lukhan Salakaia-Loto 350 7.9 24% [+6] 4.8
Darcy Swain 254 50.8 0 [+0] 8.4
Sitaleki Timani 295 8.4 0 [+1] 2.4

And on defence:

Mins played Tackle intervals (mins) Tackle completion Passive tackle rate Average lineout steals per game
Rory Arnold 671 8.3 88% 5% 0.71
Will Skelton 1143 13.2 91% 3% 0
Izack Rodda 1657 9.9 88% 25% 0.78
Matt Philip 912 10.1 87% 20% 1.03
Lukhan Salakaia-Loto 350 8 85% 24% 0.68
Darcy Swain 254 9.4 87% 27% 0.93
Sitaleki Timani 295 9.2 94% 10% 0.54

Because of the massive difference in the number of minutes played in the two competitions (Izack Rodda has roughly eight times more playing time than Darcy Swain), I’ve expressed as many of the stats as possible as percentages, rather than pure numbers.

A recent article illustrated how the big players respond to a stiffer level of challenge immediately. It was true of Harry Wilson in the Queensland back row and it is certainly true of Lukhan Salakaia-Loto in the tier of the scrum ahead of him.

Compared to his stats from Super Rugby AU, Salakaia-Loto’s work rate on both sides of the ball has shot up by almost four percentage points (one involvement every eight minutes, instead of one every 12), and tackle completions have improved by 8 per cent. He has also won three defensive lineouts, as opposed to none in SR AU.

On attack, Salakaia-Loto is also one of two second-row ball-carriers who can bend the line with sheer power. Will Skelton is predictably in top spot in that aspect of the game. For the upcoming series against France, the combination of Salakaia-Loto and Matt Philip offers superior ball carrying in the starting line-up, but Dave Rennie could certainly do with big Will on the bench.

Defensively, there is a clear difference between Rory Arnold, Sitaleki Timani and Skelton and all of the others. Those three deliver the most aggressive tackles and seldom ‘soak’ at the point of collision. At lineout time, the likely July starting combination of Philip and Salakaia-Loto looks well-equipped to win ball on both sides of the throw.

The best all-round performer remains Rory Arnold of Toulouse, and it must surely be worth the effort to get both him and Skelton back for the Rugby Championship. The presence of Arnold, Skelton, Philip and Salakaia-Loto in the same squad would be a truly world-class point of difference for the Wallabies.

There is every sign that Matt Philip will be bringing some inside knowledge of his Top 14 opponents back with him from Pau, in addition to the new lessons he has accrued in his time in the south-west of France.

“Top 14 is quite a physical competition, I’m going to say it’s more physical than Super Rugby,” he said recently.

“So from that point of view I had to learn a few more techniques, adjust my tackling technique a little bit to suit versing some really big bodies over there, compared to what we do here.

“And definitely around my scrum and lineout, I definitely picked up a few things there which I’m excited to try out and see how they go over here. The Top 14 is rugby but it’s very different to Super Rugby.”

Like Lukhan Salakaia-Loto and Harry Wilson, Philip is another who has shown himself capable of rising to meet a higher challenge under the greatest pressure. With Stade Paloise needing to beat their opponents, Montpellier, by a big margin in order to avoid dropping into a relegation battle, Philip stepped up to the plate.

He made four decisive contributions in the final 12 minutes of the game: two maul turnovers forced; a try-saving tackle on the Pau goal-line; and a last-gasp try scored in the final act of the match which ultimately kept his club in the top tier of French rugby.

Two turnovers came from stops on the driving maul, one occurring with Montpellier poised to score:

The driving lineout is one of the most pervasive platforms for attack in the Top 14, and in the first example Philip fractures the blocking wall just when it is necessary. This will be one of the gems of knowledge he brings back with him from his travels on the opposite side of the world.

Philip is a dyed-in-the-wool tight forward who can run and make intelligent decisions on attack and defence, and therein lies his extra value. Hence his superior batting average in the ‘Decisive outcomes’ column, which measures clean breaks and try assists.

On defence, he has tremendous running power and can cover space all the way to a back on the edge:

Why is it important that Philip keeps running, and closes the gap to the Paloise left wing? Because he denies one of the options for the three Montpellier attackers and forces the pass outside.

That defensive motor led to another important impact with only six minutes of the match remaining:

As the ball bounces back inside, Philip is the only Pau forward in the picture, willing (and very able) to make a vital tackle.

It was only natural justice that Matt Philip’s rare combination of rugby brain and aerobic engine should get its reward on the last play of the game:

Philip spots the opportunity for the cross-kick, and his running power gets him to where he needs to go in order to provide support and dot down in the 83rd minute of a gruelling Top 14 slog. It was a fitting, fluttering adieu to Matt Philip’s short French sojourn.

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

Contrary to many here I expect Matt To’omua to be a standout at 12, what’s your view?

– stillmissit

Based on form To’omua us lucky to be in the 38.

– Bobby

Understand Bobby, but he is a 12 playing 10 and will stand up in internationals.

– stillmissit

I look at it this way: on 2021 Super Rugby form, the only certain starter in the Wallaby centres is Hunter Paisami. Unless Dave Rennie wants Paisami at 12, then To’omua is one of only a small number qualified to play there, and on past Wallabies performance, he is the next best candidate.

– RedRob

If not To’omua, then who plays in the centres with Paisami? To’omua has been in awful form for the Rebels, especially since playing at 12 for the Rebels in Super Rugby Trans-Tasman.

Zero_Cool

A deep dive into the Wallaby combination at 10, 12 and 13 is a story for another Friday. However, the query can be addressed in the first instance by asking another question in return: does a modern coach look first at the combination of 12 and 13, or the mix at 10 and 12?

Twenty years ago, the coach would probably have looked at the centre combination first. Maybe he would have picked a classical combination of a hard-running 12 and a more elusive outside breaker at 13. Scott Gibbs and Jeremy Guscott, anybody?

Since then, the emphasis has changed, and the two centre positions have become interchangeable. The real selection debate occurs at 10 and 12. Do we want two playmakers in those positions, or one ten and one centre? The British and Irish Lions of 2017 took a measurable step forward when they swapped from picking a flyhalf-plus-centre in the first Test (Owen Farrell and Ben Te’o), to two halves in tandem in the second and third Tests (Johnny Sexton at 10, with Farrell moving to 12).

Dave Rennie – like Warren Gatland in 2017 – prefers two players with excellent flyhalf skill-sets. The mix between James O’Connor and Matt To’omua in distribution and the kicking game worked well in 2020. Until Hunter Paisami can prove himself as a true triple threat, To’omua will remain the most reliable set of eyes seeing the field outside O’Connor.

Matt To’omua. (Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)

Next Friday I will take a look at the options in the halves, with the back-row already having enjoyed extensive coverage in recent columns.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2021-06-21T05:25:43+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


France normally pick a B/R to start in the second row right now (Bernard le Roux)...

2021-06-21T01:55:53+00:00

guy milson

Guest


What has happened to Cadeyn Neville? He was the standout 2nd row person before getting injured and before the NZ teams joined in. Good jumper, bends the line and provides a big physical factor for opposing teams to contend with

2021-06-20T21:13:43+00:00

Oblonsky’s Other Pun

Guest


Yeah I quite like the thought of Swinton and McReight on the bench for the France series. Especially as France’s locks aren’t superb in the line out. Obviously more complicated in the rugby championship if Arnold and/or Skelton are available.

2021-06-20T11:11:44+00:00

Mo

Guest


Joc is not a 13 but he’s a very good centre. Be fair what about the new Godwin?

2021-06-20T08:51:57+00:00

Mo

Guest


If it’s his right arm jez then maybe aaa does go back to loose head. TTs work rate issues are surely the easiest thing in the world to fix. He’s fit he’s a competitor he’s athletic.

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T08:48:02+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Swinton as replacement lock would add more flexibility on that score.

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T08:46:54+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


At the WC they defended with Kerevi at 12 and JOC at 13 (which he'd done for Sale) and that worked out okay.

2021-06-20T08:46:19+00:00

Mo

Guest


Harry Wilson was lucky last test season to not pick up a card. Swinton needs subtlety in hurting people. Young enough to get it right. FLW offers a tough lock 6. Good carry and lineout. Same haircut as Swinton so what’s the problem? Must be something coz wikipedia doesn’t show any rep teams?

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T08:45:26+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Best was always blaming the hooker for missing my subtle arm signals and nose scratches! :thumbup:

2021-06-20T08:32:45+00:00

Mo

Guest


I don’t think kerevi ever played 13 with decent defenders around him. If I could I’d play Joc at 12 with toomua 10 and kerevi 13. Hunter P will probably take over 12 as one of Joc and toomua wears out.

2021-06-20T08:06:52+00:00

Waxhead

Roar Rookie


@Jez yeah ok I take your point Swinton maybe has improved discipline a touch. But still not enought to risk in a Test match imo. Other better back rowers on form imo include Valetini, Naisarani, Wells, Wright, Wilson, McReight, Scott-Young. Stats only tell part of the story imo. These other players have a bigger impact imo. Only thing Swinton has over them is intimidation factor

2021-06-20T07:10:07+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


I forgot, too crooked, although I thought it a nuisance to inject impartial 3rd party adjudication. Fortunately referees have no credibility in my book.

2021-06-20T06:49:17+00:00

alex gordon

Roar Rookie


bugger! i’ll jump on ESPN thanks anyway mate

2021-06-20T05:56:26+00:00

Oblonsky’s Other Pun

Guest


See that’s the thing, and why I question whether Kerevi would be a starter. It would require Matt Toomua to defend at outside centre, if he was up to it. Which he may well be, the smart player that he is.

2021-06-20T05:55:18+00:00

Oblonsky’s Other Pun

Guest


To be honest I think with Hooper’s style of game that another pure 7 in McReight would actually be an okay bench loosie choice. I’d be comfortable with him or Swinton. Both have their positives as well as potential risks. In many ways Wright would be the ideal reserve loosie though in my opinion.

2021-06-20T05:49:14+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Yeah. He ran three models in different tests last year. * A pure 6/8 on the bench in Valetini * An all rounder on the bench in Wright * And a pure 7 reserve for McReight’s debut.

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T05:24:00+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I thought Cron has ruled himself out Fin? It looks like they are determined to pick someone with NSW 'previous' doesn't it?

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T05:22:30+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


They're not free Alex! You can try ESPN for those?

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T05:21:28+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


IIRC he had Liam Wright come on at 8 for a couple of games!?

AUTHOR

2021-06-20T05:20:17+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I think Kerevi would have to prove he could defend better in that spot - or if you have Hodge at 15, we could play musical chairs again... Hodge to 13 Kerevi to 12 and JOC to full-back at lineouts!

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