Deconstructing the ball runner’s options

By Carlos the Argie / Roar Guru

Our hirsute Saffa analyst has been analysing and interpreting the performance of different positions and attempting to discover new statistical tools to review players for the last few years.

This exercise is an attempt to provide him with possibilities to evaluate those players receiving a ball in open play.

I will not include here receiving a ball in a lineout, only open play where a player receives a pass from a teammate or picks up the ball from the ground. I will also try to show that receiving a ball from a kick from the opposition should have different measures than one received from a pass.

I will not provide statistics of the different options or provide an evaluation of the relative importance of each option. That is an exercise for someone else or a debate for the panel. I will also try to limit the amount of statistical discussion.

When a player receives a ball in open play from a teammate he has a few options assuming he doesn’t drop the pass. He can pass it, kick it, score a try, run out of bounds or be tackled or held up in a maul. The sum total of all these options is 100 per cent. You can then evaluate different positions by the distribution of options by a player during the game.

You can also look at them by forwards versus backs and any other option you prefer. Back rowers against front rowers, for example. This work assumes that the role ends once one of these options occurs.

But it gets complicated. The pass can be successful or not successful. An unsuccessful pass means the receiver could not or did not catch the ball or was intercepted. You could have a ‘successful’ hospital pass, but I digress.

James O’Connor. (Photo by Anthony Au-Yeung/Getty Images)

The kick has so many options that it becomes impossible to describe them without getting subjective. How do you define a successful kick?

Let’s look at the options when the player is tackled. Here we have quite a few options again. The player can lose the ball at the point of tackle. He can perform a successful or unsuccessful off-load. When the player gets to ground his team can maintain possession of the ball or lose it to the opposition. Committing a penalty is part of losing possession for this exercise.

Before the outcomes of passing, kicking, scoring or being tackled, the player can evade tackles or break through tackles. But if a player is caught with the ball, there are only two outcomes: the player is tackled or a maul ensues even if I described different outcomes from the tackle.

Some of these outcomes are reported in statistics of games. For example, you know how many times a scrumhalf passes the ball and how many times he kicks. It is similar for flyhalves. You have pass-kick-run ratios. In the case of flyhalves, statistics (if I am correct) calculate run metres, including receiving the ball from kicks. Modern flyhalves position themselves as a second fullback in defence, so they have a high chance of long runs from the kick compared to the metres run from a pass.

I am proposing that we separate run metres from kicks to run metres from a pass, and the same for kick passes. Distance run after a kick pass is closer to run distance after a pass than a kick from the opposition. And then you have box kicks where distance ran after receiving tends to be minimal.

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So statistics will be very different for some players. For example, scrum halves should be tackled very infrequently if they pass and kick but not run with the ball unless they receive it in open play not from a ruck or scrum. Their run-pass-kick-tackled ratio should be very different to a prop.

The front five will tend to be tackled a lot but achieve relatively low run metres. These players should be judged by how many times they lose the ball in ‘contact’ compared to maintaining possession.

We have also seen reported the number of times a player’s runs beyond the advantage line, but this is not relatively common as reported per player. Based on position, some players have more chance of going beyond the advantage line, such as back rowers. These are the outliers that will become interesting to study!

Using these tools you can evaluate backs in play. Does Rieko Ioane get tackled more than he passes the ball? How many times do backs lose possession when tackled compared to forwards? If Blues wings do not run many metres with the ball when Ioane plays centre compared to when someone else does, you have coaching tools to use.

I haven’t even thought of how to use all these metrics. But if you have a player with a relatively large number of lost possessions per game, you can work on these skills or target that player if in the opposition. If your forwards have few metres per run as a group or too many lost possessions, you can do something.

What is going to happen is that many of these outcomes at a senior level will occur quite infrequently, so you will have to do group analysis to understand what can be done. How many knock-ons in a match? How many penalties in open play around the tackled ball carrier?

What is important to understand is that the ball carrier can only be tackled once per carry. He may receive many tackle attempts, but the last one that brings him to ground will by definition be successful. If a player never passes or kicks (or chooses the other options), then the tackle rate for him will be equal to the sum of outcomes, or 100 per cent. Never more than one tackle per carry.

You could eventually see a report such as 30-35-30-5 for kick-pass-tackled-other for each player in the game plus distance run. By then, looking at trends over many matches, you can see tendencies of players and teams that may help understand how they play or how each player performs. But in a game where the number of tackles can never be more than the number of runs it will always be a proportion of runs.

I know this is a rather superficial opening of options. But I hope it is a platform to help find or develop statistical tools to measure player or team performance. Now it’s your turn.

The Crowd Says:

2021-06-19T20:21:13+00:00

Francisco Roldan

Roar Rookie


I know people who are not interested in what they do not understand and people who do not understand what does not interest them. It seems like a play on words but it is not. I do not seek to interest you in what you do not understand. Do you think a troll would ponder about this ...? Let's talk about rugby, which is what we both seem to understand. That will always be my proposal. Regards.

AUTHOR

2021-06-18T21:30:56+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


This is another incomprehensible comment.

AUTHOR

2021-06-18T21:30:00+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Then why did you bother if it doesn’t interest you? Just trolling?

2021-06-18T20:45:00+00:00

Francisco Roldan

Roar Rookie


Hello Nick...! I think that a good analysis structure is one that can fluctuate from general to specific or super-focused processes and vice versa. The main thing is the design of a good analysis methodology. This commentary partly explains my previous post, quite elliptical by the way.

2021-06-18T20:35:10+00:00

Francisco Roldan

Roar Rookie


Philosophy and structural analysis are usually boring. I’d rather talk about the game than pester the commentators. Thanks also

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2021-06-18T17:43:41+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


No. Post here.

2021-06-18T17:16:16+00:00

Francisco Roldan

Roar Rookie


Give me your email and I'll tell you about it. Greetings

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2021-06-18T15:46:42+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


As I wrote to you, we should have done this together. I write the framework and you write the examples and explanation. Better as a team.

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2021-06-18T15:44:44+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Even though I ran many marathons and, not bragging, with a decent finishing time, "metrics" for training were not that developed even a few years ago. It was modern measuring while cycling that gave me many tools to track. I was watching one of the Nigel World Rugby shows where they ask him how much he runs in a game, and the answer was pretty close to my GPS tracking results. It was this tracking, distance, speed, HR, etc., that allowed me to train much better as a ref (on aerobic aspects). I can imagine that these tools, proprietary in nature as Nick states, have to be very valuable not only on the fitness side but also on tactics and positioning to modern advanced rugby coaching. The risk is always making players more robotic, but I think the Kiwis handle this well in particular. When ABs talk about managing pressure, they use Kahnemann's findings. Again, technology, science and even the science of psychology to train. They know how to automatize what is necessary and keep improvisation as a point of difference. By the way, do you like my new avatar? It was taken near home.

2021-06-18T12:52:52+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


I think you raise some interesting possibilities, Nick. That level of detail might be too much in the context of a regular article, but the process of analysis itself, perhaps using a selected player or position, looking at the type of aspects being analysed and the rationale for that, might make for a really interesting article in its own right? And how that has changed/got more sophisticated over time. Assuming that you haven't done something like that before and I missed it.

2021-06-18T12:46:49+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Sorry, that was supposed to read "very little anaerobic or high intensity work"

2021-06-18T11:25:20+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Cheers, Carlos! I like this sort of rigour very much, and it helps me wrestle with, for example, how to compare and contrast the three Lions flyhalves. Bravo!

2021-06-18T11:22:24+00:00

Ankle-tapped Waterboy

Roar Rookie


In the "know it when I see it, but how to define it?" category for me is "rhythm". There are times when clusters of players work together and are clearly acting as one gestalt, whether it's a pod, a backline, a group of pods, or best yet, the entire team operating as one. You can see it when it happens, and when it's not happening (in other words when the rhythm is being disrupted). Individual metrics don't measure group rhythm, although they can and do measure the individual contribution to group rhythm, such as how quickly players get up off the ground, the pace of movement of the ball, or continuity, or % of time spent actually sticking to the intended game plan. My point being that individual metrics are of course just a part of the group aspect of rugby as a team game, and I'm pondering what the collective or gestalt measures are.

2021-06-18T09:32:02+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


What people mean by the process of 'Analysis' often varies considerably... For some it means a purely statistical breakdown, for others it means relating figures to key movements or changes of momentum within a game. The shift from the larger to the detailed perspective - and back again - tends to reveal far more, but is also much more difficult.

2021-06-18T09:24:56+00:00


Funnily enough Nick when I watch a game without worry of stat's I tend to see different things compared to if I watch from a analytical perspective. I find the effect of stats tends to highlight individuals rather than the collective. I tend to see a backs performance more from watching but forwards more from stats...

2021-06-18T07:02:30+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes what you see in commercially available stats is really the tip of a very large iceberg Geoff. For example, when I analyze effectiveness at the breakdown, I divide team performance into 12 grids on the field to illustrate productivity in each grid - where ball is won or lost. Then I will look at individual performance within those grids (often influenced by attack structure or pods) and how the grids affect type of/numbers at cleanout. None of this will ever be seen on The Roar ofc because it is just too much micro detail, but it will seep into more general statements! Nice to see you back Carlos :thumbup:

2021-06-18T05:44:33+00:00

MO

Guest


Just kidding mate. I know some people like to be the first to respond to an article.

AUTHOR

2021-06-18T03:55:54+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


MO, it was just a clarification that I should have included in the body of the article. It’s a bit geeky but I hope it makes people think a bit different.

AUTHOR

2021-06-18T03:54:52+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Excellent point! Thanks Geoff.

2021-06-18T03:02:39+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Hi Carlos Really interesting read thanks. I've got no doubt that the best professional set ups are using position-specific and situation-specific analysis, but you also highlight how so much that passes for stats and stats analysis is heavily flawed. I was playing at the time when the game was only starting to come to terms with the different strength and conditioning training required for the specific and varying demands of each position. Up until then, everyone trained the same way - lots of aerobic road running, with very little aerobic or high intensity work, no matter your position. What's fascinating with this topic is that, with improving understanding of analytics, and the evolution of the game, there is still so much room for improvement.

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