The Thursday rugby two-up: Untimely injuries

By Brett McKay / Expert

Injuries are rarely well-timed, and the British and Irish Lions Tour of South Africa got off to the worst possible start on the personnel front, losing captain Alun-Wyn Jones in their warm-up win over Japan at Murrayfield.

It looked like a wrist injury to the inspirational skipper at first, but was later confirmed to be a nasty shoulder dislocation, and though Warren Gatland explained that the best-case scenario could see Jones back for the Tests, the decision was made to call in Ospreys and Wales lock Adam Beard.

Gatland named Ireland scrumhalf as his replacement tour, and full of praise: “Alun Wyn will obviously be a big loss, both on and off the field, but will be ably replaced by Conor,” he said of the decision.

“Conor is an outstanding rugby player and is held in the highest regard with both the players and coaches. As a three-time Lions tourist, he knows what will be required as captain and I am certain he will lead the squad with excellence. He will also be well supported by an experienced leadership group.”

It begs the obvious questions as we start turning our attention toward the July internationals…

Question 1: How big a loss is Alun-Wyn Jones for the Lions, and has Warren Gatland got it right naming Conor Murray as his new captain straightaway?

Harry
Replacing grizzled, patch-haired ‘AWJ’ as a lock with balding Courtney Lawes or slack-jawed Iain Henderson, when playing the superb ‘Bok locks, is not as big a Lions loss as is replacing him as an on-field captain-coach with dour Conor Murray.

Honest Jonny Gray should’ve been the fly-in lock because he is just the sort of big grafting forward needed to stem the ‘Bok tide of behemoths. He spends so little time on the floor or leaning wanly against rucks, especially since mulleted Jonny Hill has no business on a Test pitch in South Africa, this was an opportunity lost (with the one-dimensional Adam Beard in).

But the loss is about captaincy; see Geoff Parkes’ brilliant current series. Murray has never led Munster. He is an easy target for South African loosies to hit. He will have to show something quickly.

He does know the Springbok coaches, and perhaps he was the only leader sure of a starting berth besides 12-penalty Six Nations bad boy Maro Itoje.

Brett
If there was one player Warren Gatland wouldn’t have wanted to lose before his third tour in charge kicked off, it would’ve been Alun-Wyn Jones. I’m pretty sure there was an audible yelp, followed by a series of wailing, weeping screams emanating from the coaches’ box as he made his way from the field with that very obvious look of ‘my tour is done’.

And Conor Murray may well be the best option, but I was bit surprised he was named immediately. And it was immediate – I’m not even sure AWJ’s shoulder was properly back in place when Gatland said Murray had the job.

I mean, wouldn’t there have been some merit in at least getting on the ground in the Republic and seeing who the natural leaders are away from Jones’ shadow?

Though, that all said, maybe Gatland is hoping the quickest way to move on from the disappointment of losing their natural leader is to get the replacement straight into the job and let him start leading now?

Alun Wyn Jones. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Geoff
A timely question given our two-part Monday foray into captaincy and leadership. Alun-Wyn Jones is the kind of talismanic leader often favoured by the Lions; physically imposing but disarmingly approachable.

Capable of a gruff harrumph when needed, but in the next breath, drawing people in with a warm lilt, channelled straight from one of Wales’ prettiest valleys.

Lions captaincy is very much about moulding four into one and in that respect, Jones will almost certainly be a major loss.

As for Conor Murray, the field of candidates was small. Gatland needs a skipper who is a certain starter. Given Murray’s CV isn’t stacked with high-level captaincy experience, perhaps Lions fans should look to Gatland and have faith that, while he might not know what makes the Chiefs tick, he does know his Lions players better than the rest of us.

Digger
AWJ is a great loss, no question, his experience and no nonsense play and leadership is exactly what you want in the mix for a South African tour, and is not readily replaced.

Murray is certainly a fine and experienced player, but the decision to me smacks of too much conservatism, which is a hallmark of Gatland’s style of coaching.

That can certainly work against sides such as New Zealand if you can pull them into the trenches, but it is simply sailing right up the South Africans’ alley, who would welcome such an approach from the Lions. The last World Cup semis and final is a good example of why not.

He is not too popular around these parts, but my choice would have been Maro Itoje, who I believe is a fantastic player, and a likely starter. Most importantly to my way of thinking, he expects to win and could provide that spark and difference the Lions will need against the Boks.

Question 2: What do you most want to see during the July Tests from your respective national teams?

Harry
From the Boks, it’s simple.

I want to see an umbrella that never breaks, boxes that shut hard, lineouts high in the sun, tries raining and niggle in the jiggle.

Brett
I touched on this in recent weeks, and it seems right to bring it up again. I want to see the Wallabies’ identity starting to become clear this year, and I can imagine Dave Rennie does too.

Rennie has certainly picked players of a certain type, favouring big physical tight forwards and ball carriers all across the field. And to a degree, that’s not too dissimilar to his predecessor.

But Rennie’s teams play differently, and there’s been a lot of emphasis from the coaches about speed of play. And I do wonder if – given the injuries – they’ve been putting the players through something of a second pre-season, in terms of building fitness levels up to where they need to be.

So it would be great to see all this amounting to something. And I’m not talking about the next incarnation of whatever the hell ‘the Australian way’ is, but rather a way of playing that suits this group of players and will push them to a method of play that can work on the international stage.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Geoff
There are a few things I’d like to see from the All Blacks. Real presence from some of the emerging talent in the front row, some surety and consistency in the midfield (here’s looking at you, Rieko!), and no serious injuries.

For the Wallabies, their task is more basic. The ‘how’ isn’t quite so important, nor are qualifications around what players France have left at home. It’s the ‘what’ that is non-negotiable. They need wins. Two of them at a minimum.

Digger
I am not too sure what one should expect given the quality of New Zealand’s opposition and I imagine we will see a number of changes, mixing and matching in July as the Coaches run their eyes over their squad.

It’s hard to expect a lot of fluidity in those circumstances, so what I would hope to see is a team executing well, defending strongly and a strong set piece throughout.

OVER TO YOU: Is Conor Murray the right man for the Lions?

And what are you hoping to see during the July Tests?

The Crowd Says:

2021-07-02T04:21:12+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I took a hard look at that SF. Rated Itoje very highly.

2021-07-02T04:18:54+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Serious speed. Borderline Olympic qualifier

2021-07-01T23:39:33+00:00

Highlander

Roar Guru


Excellent Thanks for that

2021-07-01T23:22:26+00:00


I believe so Highlander. Ive read somewhere that they are all in NZ in Quarantine. It will actually be a strong side if they are. There are plenty of NH players in the squad. https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nadolo-in-radradra-out-as-fiji-name-extended-33-man-squad-for-test-series-against-all-blacks/

2021-07-01T23:14:00+00:00


Haha its would be very interesting to see an ANZAC side named and I dont see many Aus fans feeling good or positive about having an AB captain of a joined team so I certainly understand that.

2021-07-01T23:07:05+00:00

Highlander

Roar Guru


He's gotta catch it first Harry!! In all seriousness, saw him play at our place before covid brought the world to a halt, scary quick live which doesn't come across in full on the box

2021-07-01T23:04:41+00:00

Highlander

Roar Guru


Jacko, do we know of Fiji have their European contingent back in full? One would hope so.

2021-07-01T23:01:34+00:00


Fiji will be harder games

2021-07-01T17:40:40+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Not all the greats got the big stages they deserved. But if they were granted that good fortune, and if they were great, even if they lost, they went out on their shields. Itoje may end up being a GOAT. Let’s see, in the biggest moments.

2021-07-01T17:30:02+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Guys, that’s obviously not what I did. I didn’t hunt 5:00 of Bad Itoje. That would be unfair. I was looking for the period when English coaches and players (and Saffa) retrospectively knew the match was lost by England, under the circumstances. That period on attack (Itoje is a superstar defensive player) was absolutely critical. I began to look at each action. Some guys kept trying to run through walls (Underhill, Lawes) and some sort of melted. Not just carries. Cleans. I stand by my work. Itoje seems like a smart lad. I bet he agrees. I bet that 5:00 motivates him.

2021-07-01T16:49:20+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


You have any idea how many great players there is that have not even played a final, Harry?

2021-07-01T16:47:17+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


I get the point. But, of course, we could have showed five minutes of the SF in which Itoje was all over the 'best locking partnership in the world' and looked like the greatest player ever. If I'd made that case on the basis of a particular five minute segment I would have been, rightly, slaughtered on here.

2021-07-01T16:39:15+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


You couldn’t. Not in a final. If they are a great of the game.

2021-07-01T16:39:14+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Yes, that's an interesting point. The Lions ethos has always traditionally been you put all that aside and come together for the tour. However, I think there's a serious question about whether an Englishman could ever be captain again. Scots and Welsh bile against the English (Irish to a slightly lesser extent) has become almost par for the course in rugby, and doesn't get called out much. Any English return of serve, of course, is just horrendous colonial arrogance. It started around 2001, and got worse from 2005 onwards. I haven't been fully invested in the Lions since then, really, although, of course, I'll watch the games with great interest.

2021-07-01T14:37:54+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


Nah, CW, that won’t happen, NZ are already in turmoil … I mean to say we have Ian Foster as Head Coach!!! We’ll swap you Foster for Rennie .. deal?

2021-07-01T12:53:08+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


It may well be that he decides that four Lions tours are enough whatever the result. But don’t forget that before he took over, the Lions lost much more than they won. Since he took over that’s no longer the case. He’s done a good job.

2021-07-01T12:06:51+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


Psycho trying to be the voice of reason. Well well well... :laughing: :laughing:

2021-07-01T12:03:27+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


Yeah, I really like Harry too, but that artic was really poor, and that several Roarers use it as some kind of be all end all argument is hilarious. We could find a bad five minute spell from any great player in a great game.

2021-07-01T11:59:29+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


Too funny that flag waving "journo" Laidlaw pressed like on that comment. He obviously has no clue what questions he asked or what his panel members answered.

2021-07-01T11:54:07+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


I agree, most Kiwi rugby fans loves the game and appreciate great players no matter what nationalty the player have. But you and fair few others here at the Roar are the poor exceptions. Little men with lots of attitude and zero mana.

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