'Not guilty': Why Jordie Barrett was cleared for Koroibete face kick

I can tell you don’t and never played at any level.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear; I was suggesting Jordie deserved a lengthy suspension for recklessly kicking Marika in the face.

An interesting comment given Jordie played pretty well but then again, I'm sure you have all the stats at your disposal to make an informed decision.

its not a presumption... its what you've demonstrated

One last reply concerning your presumption on my experience and character, it is completely false. Have a great day.

the fact that you are dim is not the single greatest issue... the problem is that in the face of expert testimony your only 'defense' has been to offer childlike musing of things you don't actually know to be true, are irrelevant or you cannot prove. I'm sure you were once told that all opinions are valid... the sooner you realize that is not the case, the better off you'll be.

Maybe I don't know what you mean by a thread and maybe I am a little dim but I can sense when someone is getting a bit hot under the collar. I'm sorry to withdrawal (not intending to undermine or negate your opinion by doing so) but I don't see the point of going on if things are going this way.

you seem to spend a lot of time imagining and not actually knowing... also seems you don't know what a thread is...

If I read the thread? “Professor Patria Hume of the Auckland University of Technology and Professor Mark Sayers of the University of Sunshine Coast provided the team with independent biomechanical analysis of the incident. Hume said Barrett used a standard technique of raising his knee to gain jump height, but because he had overrun the ball and had to lean back to collect it, the act in question was a necessary movement to avoid putting himself at risk of injury. “Jordie did not ‘kick’ his leg out as his knee angle remained close to 90 degrees from the time of takeoff from the ground to the impact on Koroibete’s body during the landing,” Hume said.” That is not an actual explanation but a description, I would expect detailed diagrams and description of biology to support it. But did you understand the explanation or did you find it a happy thing that the All Blacks produce an expert that happened to back the same horse. Well I imagine with bio-mechanics being a science that there is a diversity of opinion on this particular instance because I imagine the only evidence they have is from tv cameras that are not controlled in a lab. I'm sensing some aggression here.

What you are doing here is what a lot of people do when they have no actual counter arguement/evidence… If you sensed poorly concealed amusement before… you should really give better consideration to your responses now.

You could answer so many of these questions yourself… this is a little juvenile: I’m no expert in bio-mechanics but we do know that there is a divergence of opinion amongst them Provide it then, if it is known… Are you an expert on bio-mechanics and understand what they have said?< If you read the thread you'll see the event its exactly how I described it before the transcript of the bio-mechanical experts become available. Did World Rugby have their own prosecution experts in this field? I don’t think so, we have a panel of three judges assessing evidence but did not have a counter expert against the defence. Rather than make assertions from unanswered questions find the answer first and then make the assertion. And it is possible that there is such consensus amongst that field pertaining to this particular example that they were unable to find a ‘counterexpert’ (though I doubt it is in the Perry Mason fashion you have described above). I would have difficulty in asking the right questions as I don’t have a background in it. and yet you are/were so sure you are right, ignorance and conviction is a dangerous combination. You should seek out some experts to advocate on your behalf… remember how concerned for the safety of others you are, how could YOU possibly stop with an opinion forum, what you have in your head could save lives.

I'm no expert in bio-mechanics but we do know that there is a divergence of opinion amongst them. Did World Rugby have their own prosecution experts in this field? I don't think so, we have a panel of three judges assessing evidence but did not have a counter expert against the defence. Are you an expert on bio-mechanics and understand what they have said? I would have difficulty in asking the right questions as I don't have a background in it. But I do have many years watching the game and have seen many changes in how it is played. Barrett was reckless and endangered the well-being of his fellow players by the actions of what he did. I would be inclined to believe it is not personal but you have an expectation of mockery towards me in some comedic scenario. That is fine.

I’m sure we could find another bio-mechanical expert that gives a different opinion if we looked usually if something is so easy people just do it rather than just say it… Not personally at all, I like to be educated, to be relieved of falsely held beliefs as Mark Twain once said ‘It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. ‘ I can’t speak for the aforementioned experts, but likely they subscribe to the same notion and await the enlightenment you seem to think you can provide. Please post the transcript. Someone as concerned about safety in the game as you are must feel compelled to correct these experts… right?

I'm sure we could find another bio-mechanical expert that gives a different opinion if we looked. Also, generally I don't have much stock in them in regards to real life sport scenarios, their advice ruined a generation of fast bowlers in cricket. You seem to of taken this discussion personally by insinuating that I will be humiliated in a hypothetical discussion with the above professors. I don't have any rancor or ill feeling towards you but I feel this is an important discussion to have in regard to the laws and safety of the game.

I don’t think I do. If you are rotating in a particular direction, the top half of your body is overbalancing backwards (relative to the centre of your mass) moving part of your body (from the lower part of that mass) forwards, you are creating force in that same circular direction. When you slip and your feet go forwards, you fall backwards, your body is moving in a circular direction relative to the centre of your mass, you’d don’t rebalance by leaning backward. Seeking to understand the science or mechanics is “petulant anti kiwi bias”. You are a very sensitive bunch.

“Professor Patria Hume of the Auckland University of Technology and Professor Mark Sayers of the University of Sunshine Coast provided the team with independent biomechanical analysis of the incident. Hume said Barrett used a standard technique of raising his knee to gain jump height, but because he had overrun the ball and had to lean back to collect it, the act in question was a necessary movement to avoid putting himself at risk of injury. “Jordie did not ‘kick’ his leg out as his knee angle remained close to 90 degrees from the time of takeoff from the ground to the impact on Koroibete’s body during the landing,” Hume said.” Seems they are saying it was a good technique… but that he got it a little wrong, or executed it poorly.

“Professor Patria Hume of the Auckland University of Technology and Professor Mark Sayers of the University of Sunshine Coast provided the team with independent biomechanical analysis of the incident. Hume said Barrett used a standard technique of raising his knee to gain jump height, but because he had overrun the ball and had to lean back to collect it, the act in question was a necessary movement to avoid putting himself at risk of injury. “Jordie did not ‘kick’ his leg out as his knee angle remained close to 90 degrees from the time of takeoff from the ground to the impact on Koroibete’s body during the landing,” Hume said.” You'll easily find the contact details for the Professors above. I'm sure they will be happy for you to correct them, could you please post the transcript of that correspondence - it'll be hilarious I'm sure.

start watching bit more football is all i can say - many times the foot up has been not even yellowed :laughing:

the way he went down looked much like the French guy and 1000s of fooballers who go down holding their faces as if shot. MK did not even have a scratch on his face - they showed him after JB was sent off. for all the talk of rugger players being tough guys and hard men ..... in contrast Hooper was virtually gushing blood yet he just acted like its just another cut - that i respect too much !!!