'They haven't accepted us': Pakistan chair slams Australia and cricket's 'western bloc'

Looks like you have one eye. You don't seem to regard other information. Kashmir also had 30% of Hindu population who were called as Pandits. In late 1970's they're driven out of Kashmir by the so called insurgents or religious pundits. Please don't make a fool out of yourselves by stating non-facts. India is very much pluralistic society and democracy where any one can occupy higher office. In fact we had president who was a muslim, our cricket captain was a Muslim too. We also had christiains and Sikhs occupying top positions in Government, Army as well as represent in Judiciary system. Yes no country is perfect. India's minority population has only increased from 7% to 18.7% in the last 70 years whereas the country you support had a minority population decrease from 12% to less than 1%. Pakistan has a constitutional rule that minority cannot occupy top office or government positions. Would you really like such a rule in Australia? There is a reason Yousuf Youhana changed religion to stick with the squad. There is a reason Danish Kaneria said he was consistently ignored by Shahid Afridi. Do you think Zaheer Khan blaming the same? Or what about Mohammad Shami or Siraj? In fact Azharuddin was leading the team for close to 3 years. There was also Irfan Pathan, Yousuf Pathan, Mohd Kaif, Mansur Ali Khan Pataudi, Wasim Jaffer, Syed Mustafa Hussain Kirmani. There is also Khaleel Ahmed playing for SRH, Avesh Khan for DD. Our bollywood hero name is Sharukh khan, Amir Khan and Salman Khan. These three occupy top 3 positions. I can bet even UK or England won't be this pluralistic soceity.

High Plain's Roarer, whats up? you've gone missing? Why don't you answer these questions if you think Kashmir wants independence?

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Everyone draws a line at a point in history which supports their own argument. Today Tibet is majority Chinese because the Tibetans have been driven out or incarcerated. So China can argue that Tibetans no longer have a right to their land. Kashmir is a majority Muslim state today for similar reasons. A little bit like Australia and the USA where the indigenous populations have suffered a similar fate. But it happened hundreds of years ago so why bother? What matters is what is happening today? But hang on today becomes recent history tomorrow and ancient history a few years down the line.

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Brilliant idea....just sadly wont happen.

When it very quickly became clear in 1947 that the former British India was never going to work as one country, Pakistan, East and West, were allowed to separate from India in 1948 as was Sri Lanka. East Pakistan was even allowed to separate from West Pakistan in 1971 and become Bangladesh. Kashmir was also supposed to be allowed to choose its own destiny, but India has always violated this right and continues to do so – the right to decide themselves whether the region be part of India, part of Pakistan or simply their own sovereign state. They are 97% Muslim, so why did they not get the same opportunity as those other three countries? Incidentally, India meddled greatly in the West Pakistan-East Pakistan conflict in the 1960s that led to Bangladesh becoming its own sovereign state. I think it was only right that Bangladesh not be forced to be under Pakistan’s thumb, but India didn’t support them out of some righteous cause – they would have done it simply to get back at Pakistan.

It wasn't a 3 month tour.They were only going to be in the country for 4 or 5 days.No player would have been forced to go.They're ample players in this country who would have jumped at the chance to represent their country but weren't given a chance.Eion Morgan, at the time the white ball captain, refused to tour Bangladesh in 2016 for security reasons.The tour went on without him and he was back as Englands white ball captain soon after so pulling out of a tour obviously wouldn't have any repercussions down the track. Honestly, the ECB are so totally useless and incompetent.it almost defies belief.They have totally misjudged this situation and hopefully it will bring about some changes sooner rather that later.

I am not sure when i made such a statement "Just have a look at Pakistan’s history". I said pakistan's history is well known to people, whatever they want to make of it. This statement was specially regard to Pakistan's history of waging direct war using it's opportunity of being an ally to US, as well as using terror groups to wage proxy war on us. What did i say that is wrong here? Yes that is exactly what i mean by referendum. There has been lot of incidence in history where countries from particular bloc have attacked and stole land from other's using human rights theory. I am very straight forward about it. Anyone who is worried about human rights, can take all the human and give them all the rights they want. I do not really think i care about people outside, specially those people and UN was sitting duck when US invaded Afg, Iraq while keeping syrian oil safe, for people of course. Those people are part of the problem, in fact, they are the reason why all sorts of trouble happen. Those people are the ones who try to convince us they dropped atom bomb on Japan to save the world. They killed a few hundred thousand to save lots of lives. Is that not classic for those people outside?

The comment that irked me was “Just have a look at Pakistan’s history” – I find it very difficult to swallow when someone from India makes such a comment – I’d rather you take a swipe at my own Australia since you’ve technically never done anything bad to us. So you mean the Kashmiris can vote for self-government/independence but will have to find another piece of land elsewhere on the Globe to do it? Not too many vacant lots left on the Earth nowadays. But see here’s the thing: a lot of people outside of India don’t think Kashmir automatically belongs to India any more than Papua belongs to Indonesia or Uluru belongs to European Australia to climb at our leisure. And like Indonesia with Papua, India has never held a legitimate referendum in Kashmir as mandated many decades ago by the UN.

I have very little interest in vedic system, religion, dharma given the fact that i have already spent significant amount of time debating these issues. I am agnostic. My mom is quite typical bengali brahmin. The version follows in bengal is different from version followed in southern part.It is quite tiring that every people tries to argue with their different version of vedic culture. I simply pointed out the fact that the word religion can not be applicable to a self proclaimed life style. People can spend hours debating the vedic system, hinduism and will still not be able to come to any concrete conclusion.Swami Vivekananda preached monotheistic version of hindusim. History of brahma samaj is well known. As i have mentioned before our history has little to do with ottoman or their descendants. They have their history in central asia. The conquest of India came from Iran after conquest of persian empire. The difference between shia,sunni is quite irreverent here and a completely different issue. I have interacted with people from Iran to know more about that, and found it surprising how their interpretation of shia differs from shia we understand. However that is completely different topic. Persian empire was conquered which ultimately led the road to sub continent. But to say mughals were ottoman proxies is like saying we were actually invaded by african because of human origin. That is not how history works. If the statement about self defense was about india pakistan war, then it was my mistake in understanding it, though i could not understand the resorting to violence part. War is defined separately from violence, later one dictating crimes committed to non-combatants.

I have no attachment to pre independence history as i have admiited that our ancestors had their fair share of failing. For Kashmir, let us make one thing pretty clear. It is part of India, and always will be unless the world ends. I have no problem with kashmiris having the right for referendum, as long as we are talking about only kashmiris, the people. Not the territory. We know what democracy did to native america. I can promise that it will never happen again. But i sympathize with kashmiris because their anger is legit.Since independence both of our governments have treated this issue as nothing but election stunt, which alienated the people. The untimely provocation through revocation of 370 has caused further deterioration . But this is entire matter of india. I can not remember for a single time i have said we are beyond reproach. Today our country ranks in same category that is of Syria, Iraq in women's safety. This is our fault and failure. But other people should not assume that they can take advantage of us hitting at our weak moment. That time is long gone.

As I’ve always understood it, partition happened because the Muslims, less than 1/3 of the entire population of British India feared long term repression in a Hindu dominated independent sovereign country, who are almost 2/3 of the population. However, I have never studied this country’s history in any great depth, so I won’t try and claim to have any expertise, but I think some evidence to support this notion is the fact that they created one country on two different sides of what is now India, Bangladesh or East Pakistan of course not breaking off from what was then called West Pakistan until 1971. What concerns me (and many other people outside of India itself) more is the Kashmir issue. The United Nations around the same time as partition ordered a referendum for self-determination for the Kashmir people, a referendum that India was suppose to organise and carry out, but which it (India) has never allowed to take place. Clandestine support from the US on this has allowed them to get away with it. I have no problem with non-westerners making valid criticism of the west, especially the US’s foreign policy and most post 1945 Australian governments tendency to blindly follow the US, but don’t for goodness sake make the laughable claim, implicit or otherwise, that India as a country, society and government are beyond reproach because nothing could be further from the truth in all three areas.

I believe England, Australia and India act as a bloc that control international cricket. New Zealand has very little influence and therefore can not be accused of controlling the game. However it is fair to say that we share security information through our intelligence services as we are all part of the five eyes alliance. It is my opinion that Rameez Raja has misrepresented the five eyes intelligence alliance as an organisation that controls international cricket.

None of this nonsense will ever be solved until the ICC takes over full control of the schedule and the control of Aus, Eng and India of the ICC is removed and all Test nations and affiliates get equal say in the future of the schedule and game.

*Out of the vedic system

Much of what is stated are historically acknowledged fact. Not sure which part of what is said is a "blatant lie". Some minutae may be missing given the forum and the context. I hope you realize that there are are 'Hindus' who don't follow any one of the four Vedas and are completely out of of vehicle system there are Hindus whose "way of life" is on the basis of one or more vedas. I have not stated anything about expansionist ideology. The statement about wars is within the indo-pak conflict. Persians were and are still Shia'a whereas the Mughals, the most powerful Muslim dynasty and the one that stretched its tentacles till the south were sunni. They were a hundred percent proxys of the ottoman turks.

Half knowledge is worse than ignorance. Better educate yourself from non-pakistani sources. Or do a favor by reading UNSC resolutions 47 or any gain non-biased knowledge from hudson institute or brookings institute. When India and Pakistan came to brink of war in 1948 over Kashmir conflict they knocked the doors of UNSC. Resolution recommended a three-step process for the resolution of the dispute. Three steps are sequential. 1. In the first step, Pakistan was asked to withdraw all its nationals that entered Kashmir for the sake of fighting 2. In the second step, India was asked to progressively reduce its forces to the minimum level required for law and order. 3. In the third step, India was asked to appoint a plebiscite administrator nominated by the United Nations who would conduct a free and impartial plebiscite. Pakistan has to withdraw illegally occupied kashmir in order to satisfy first step. Any questions?

I do not know what to make of the statement above. It is quite a cocktail of both majority truth as well as biased and intentionally blatant lie/false in the end. Our history has barely anything to do with ottoman or their decedents. The real conquest came from Iranian empire. The history of the word “hindu” and the accessions are true. The histories with our great friend from west is well documented. And the history of kashmir is laid down very well. Then the poster,while admits his position is biased,say something that is claimed by RSS and sangh parivar. I am agnostic as well, but my affinity lies with my country, i have no affinity or affection towards any utopian bharat based upon fairy tales told by RSS or like minded group. The country i love was freed from British occupation,keeping the pain of occupation and oppression in mind,this country was built upon guaranteeing the basic rights and liberties to all human being lives here. Does it hold true today? I can not help but notice the poster mentions the word vedic religion. There is no such thing as vedic religion. Religion is composed of hard and fast rules imposed upon followers by some supreme being. Vedic dharma was always claimed to be more of a life style than composition of divine laws. It is very true India never started wars. But it is very important to mention which india the poster refers to? Free India began it’s journey to freedom under leadership of Mahatma Gandhi’s ahimsa or bloodless revolution. We know who was responsible for his assassination, we also know who said “Let us not fight with British”. It is the same group of people today claims credit for not going into war unless it is self defense, forgets or lies about their past. India is not any akhand bharat utopia. And yes, it has it’s fair share of troubled history, empire expansion. It is quite ironic for people to claim to have some of biggest empires while claiming not to attack anyone at the same time. Tribal conflicts always evolved like that. To be honest, if we simply look at the vedic history and books, we can clearly see how peaceful it was. The thousand year war does not sound very peaceful to me at least. When i ask other people to be fair to me, i have to start being fair first. India never went to war, akhand bharat did. And there is no shame in accepting the fact that our ancestor lost. Like any other empires, our ancestors too had blood in their hands. Today our self proclaimed nationalists quite ironically draw map of akhand bharat from period of Jain and Buddhist empire expansion while claiming never to have gone war in history. Funny.

I have no problem with any nation being threatened and pulling out of tour. I have problem with hypocrite nations who do this while demand other people to risk their lives for sports under disguise of their values, aka Afg women cricket. These bloc very well know at this moment there is no environment for women to play sport safely without being murdered yet they keep babbling about the standing up thing around the clock. Is that not hypocrisy?