'How racist do you have to be?': ABC presenter stunned by de Kock decision as cricket world divided

By The Roar / Editor

Former AFL player turned TV presenter Tony Armstrong led criticism Wednesday of South African Quinton de Kock’s decision to miss a T20 World Cup match after being directed to take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

The Proteas wicketkeeper withdrew from South Africa’s game against the West Indies after Cricket South Africa (CSA) issued a directive to players and staff to take a knee.

Speaking on ABC Breakfast, Armstrong said it was “confounding” de Kock would take that action, considering South Africa’s history with racism.

“We’ve seen sporting teams right around the world start to get behind this movement,” Armstrong, a former teammate of Adam Goodes who wrote this piece on racism in sport for AthletesVoice, said.

“So for him to not do that, all that I think — and this is my own personal opinion — the question has been bubbling in my mind is how racist do you have to be, to not just take a knee and do that in conjunction with your teammates to show support, to even pretend to show support? You’ve got to be pretty strong on your conviction not to.

“At the very best it is confounding, confusing and puzzling.”

Armstrong was a member of the Swans team at the MCG the night Goodes was called an ‘ape’ by a teenager. That incident cascaded into years of hatred levelled at Goodes.

Armstrong said he felt for South Africa captain Temba Bavuma who gave backing to his teammate.

“I really felt for their captain who had to get up there as a man of colour and toe the party line,” Armstrong said.

Bavuma said the team was “surprised and taken aback” by de Kock’s refusal to play.

“In saying that, Quinton is an adult. He’s a man in his own shoes. We respect his decision. We respect his convictions,” Bavuma said.

“From the team‘s point of view, unfortunately we still have to get the job done. There was still a game of cricket there for our country, and it was important, as much as everything was happening, that we found a way to get into the right mental space and take it home for our country.

“But as far as we stand, Quinton is still one of the players. He’s still one of the boys, so whatever support that he needs, whatever shoulder that he requires from his teammates, we’ll be there for him.

“If there’s a need for further conversations to be had, I’m sure those will definitely happen among the guys.”

West Indies all-rounder Kieron Pollard said: “You guys know our thoughts on this matter. It’s something that we feel strongly about as a team and as people as well and we will continue to do it.

“Each and everyone has their own opinions on it, but as I’ve always said, once you’re educated and you understand, we will understand why you are doing it, but I think education sort of is the key, and we don’t want anyone doing it for us in solitude or to feel sorry for us.”

(Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)

Speaking from the commentary box, former Zimbabwean cricketer Pommie Mbangwa and ex-West Indies captain Darren Sammy discussed the drama.

“Excuse me if I sound political because some will say it’s political, but I can’t shed my skin,” Mbangwa said.

“I hope that the discussion at the very least can be about how to be united about something that everyone agrees on. This is also the hope that there is agreement in that regard.”

Sammy added: “Sometimes I don’t understand why is it so difficult to support this movement if you understand what it stands for. That’s just my opinion what my kind have been through. There are a lot of issues affecting the world but I don’t understand why it’s so difficult.”

There were those who felt CSA did not have the right to direct the players to take a knee.

“It should treat its players as adults, not as foolish children who need to be taught some manners, and recognise that with the advent of maturity, a man or a woman is entitled to exercise his or conscience,” wrote Simon Heffer wrote in The UK Telegraph.

“De Kock, who has never acted against the interests of black people, should be credited with a conscience and not just with being bloody-minded. If his career comes unstuck because of his wish to exercise his personal freedom rather than being dictated to, it would be an act to be added to cricket’s regrettably lengthening roll of shame.”

Fellow journalist Sam Street wrote: “The Springboks don’t take the knee. (South Africa’s football team) Bafana Bafana don’t take the knee. So why were Cricket South Africa making out it was a special ‘South African responsibility’ to perform a gesture so uncommon in the country?”

Michael Vaughan, the ex-England captain felt it should be an individual choice.

The Crowd Says:

2021-10-28T04:33:49+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


No it wasn't about slavery per se. Slavery was one relatively minor issue that is being justified in retrospect by the victors as an excuse to fight that war.

2021-10-28T04:02:06+00:00

Bill Shut

Roar Rookie


So where is the fuss when only some F1 drivers take a knee?

2021-10-28T04:01:22+00:00

Bill Shut

Roar Rookie


So what beliefs do you know he holds? Do you understand why he refused to take a knee? Or are you making an assumption based on your own biases?

2021-10-28T03:59:14+00:00

Bill Shut

Roar Rookie


And yet Colin's silent protest against the board is construed as something else. This is one plus two = twenty eight

2021-10-28T03:57:43+00:00

Bill Shut

Roar Rookie


Maybe he would be banned if he displayed outward signs of racism. he has not done so and has been backed up by fellow cricketers and administrators. He refused an 11th hour instruction from the cricket board - this is not really about racism at all. We have the latest AB captain who refuses (often) to wear a mouth guard - a rule put in place by the rugby management. What god forbid are you going to accuse him of????

2021-10-28T03:55:15+00:00

Bee bee

Guest


No different to 1871.......???? Our history teachers have a lot of explaining to do. Here is a snippet of the wonders history can teach you. In 1871 if you tweeted you probably had feathers.

2021-10-28T03:42:18+00:00

hawkeye

Guest


This is the problem right here - no progress in 150yrs?? Laughable!

2021-10-28T03:32:33+00:00

GC Red

Roar Rookie


The two most commonly criticised points she made, were; "LEST.WE.FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine...)" Which she apologised for. And that Islam is the most feminine religion. 2 opinions I disagree with, which divided opinion in a similar way to that which QDK standing down from cricket have. I’m just trying to point out that the positions taken, regardless of opinion are divisive. I think that they are similar in that way. My apologies to Micko if I have stirred something I didn’t intend to. I’m not disingenuous, just interested. And I truly believe that we need to react to things charitably until all the facts are laid bare, it will make things easier to discuss.

2021-10-28T03:30:28+00:00

Bee bee

Guest


Maybe he looked at the flames and had visions of being roasted.

2021-10-28T03:25:04+00:00

Bee bee

Guest


Ha ha, I think the MCC lies somewhere ideologically between the Taliban and the Chinese Communist Party. Come on MCC , prove me wrong. Give up your GF monopoly. Time to share.

2021-10-28T03:24:02+00:00

Naughty's Headband

Roar Rookie


Lucky that we don't live in America and that this conversation is totally irrelevant then...

2021-10-28T03:07:45+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


If you don't know that already why are you commenting??? What exactly do you know about that woman??? Do your own research!

2021-10-28T03:05:18+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


She does nothing but criticise the west and the white people who made it, despite not wanting to live away from it in her native country of Sudan, her native continent of Africa, or the massive diverse range of muslim majority nations she could live in but chooses to avoid. Yet people like you will justify her bile, and THEN have the audacity to link her with QDK as some sort of equal pariahs! :angry: :thumbdown:

2021-10-28T02:51:09+00:00

The PTA has disbanded

Guest


Question and challenge: What did she say that was "vile and hate filled"? Please, send some quotes.

2021-10-28T02:50:26+00:00

The PTA has disbanded

Guest


Calm down, Micko. You've wildly overreacted here. She evidently does not despise the west. She lives in the west. She's a citizen of a western nation. To despise it, you wouldn't live in it. She has an opinion, she's free to share it. You are free to disagree with it.

2021-10-28T02:41:09+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


I think you're the one being obtuse. QDK (rightfully) saying his employer shouldn't be enforcing divisive political gestures on employees is NOTHING like a bigoted provocateur like Magied, who LITERALLY had a taxpayer funded platform to spew her bile and hate. The two aren't remotely similar, and it's completely disingenuous of you to even link them!

2021-10-28T02:29:12+00:00

Bee bee

Guest


Strange. Seems that movement went global. You could say it went viral and mutated. A cultural infection that is particularly irritating to old fuddy duddy’s. There were several protests in South Africa as well. Probably resonated with the local population.

2021-10-28T02:13:43+00:00

.kraM

Roar Rookie


Agreed. Incident shouldn’t be looked at in isolation, context is important.

2021-10-28T01:59:46+00:00

Morsie

Roar Rookie


I thought that if you were white you were already, automatically from birth, part of a white supremacist movement, you just haven't accepted it yet.

2021-10-28T01:57:07+00:00

Morsie

Roar Rookie


A few years ago we were sitting around a campfire having a political discussion about a forthcoming federal election. One of our number was quiet and I asked him which way he was going to vote. I'll never forget his answer. "Its a secret ballot". Nothing else. By being forced into making a statement/gesture that you might not agree with you are dishonoring a part of yourself. As Douglas Murray has said many times recently, "There is an absence of courage in today's social and political discourse". Good on you QdK.

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