De Goey likely to get plea deal charge downgrade over New York bar incident

So one poor culture that was accepted practice 40 years ago (and no longer exists)excuses your poor culture that was accepted practice 40 years ago but you still adhere to? Strange you respond to my non football posts but not my direct question to you about football.

So you’re handing your premierships back from salary cap breaches and brown paper bag hand overs? Didn’t think so.

Story over, until the video gets leaked. The Pies had a chance to reset their culture but went for more of the same.

Ahh yes Peter, success (even so limited success) excuses everything

And yet our performance past 20 years so much better than the Blues Macca. Go figure.

Back training at the club Friday. Story over. Moving on.

For the record De Goey got less penalty from the Pies than Betts Walker and Houlihan got in 2009 for the Booze Cruise incident. At least they were fined the then maximum allowable as well as being barred from pre season training

Nothing ever changes at the Pies, no matter what their players do the never face consequences and the club makes excuses

No, no, no, no - I was just cruising by, looking at what may interest me. I didn't even read what your post was all about. I saw a familiar regular, credible poster's name, spotted the figure work and had a crack for fun as I passed on! :stoked:

I am not trying to get the conviction rate, I am trying to get the number that accepted a plea deal.

That little bit of chicanery up there with the numbers ‘n stuff and I say he is offering ⅗ of ⅝ of who knows bloody what! It's all publically available stuff, as Macca has shown. Australia offers bargains as much as any others.

In Victoria in 2019/20 78% of defendants pleaded guilty. Again that doesn’t equate to 78% of defendants being offered plea deals. Yes, but you need to take into account those who pled not guilty and lost to get the correct conviction rate. Of cases that would normally go to trial, a massive majority take a deal to get a lesser charge.

Thanks Macca .

Gees, I dunno Don Freo. I've been watching his work this past week and he's been going alright until now. That little bit of chicanery up there with the numbers 'n stuff and I say he is offering ⅗ of ⅝ of who knows bloody what! Of course the legal profession has no understanding of numbers - I used tell my invaluable, trusted long term legal consultants that the only time they reveal numeracy is when they craft their handsome invoices! :stoked:

He's clearly a young man who to this stage of his adulthood seems unable to make responsible choices with the consumption of alcohol. Alcohol seems to either exacerbate aggressive tendencies and/or limit his capacity to control aggression in certain situations. After this matter has been settled, my hunch without feeling confident is that Collingwood will decide to play him in 2022 even if he and the club do end up parting ways at season's end.

Yep the filibuster is total codswallop man. Like I get wanting to give the minority party representation but the American system of government has far far too many veto points. Like at least move it to a talking filibuster because if there’s one thing senators hate it’s being in the senate haha

Not wanting to stray too much into political territory but I had to laugh this week when Mitch McConnell claimed allowing legislation to pass with just 51 senate votes would be a step towards tyrannical demagogues and a slap in the face to democracy - this is a country where Alaska and California have the same number of senators, the electoral college means voters in smaller states have a bigger say than those in smaller states and elections are held every 2 years so even if a tyrannt does win power of all 3 levels of federal power they can't hold it. On tp of that judges are politically appointed and the supreme court is for life so even if someone manages to pass legislation their political opponents could defeat it in the courts BUT allowing the majority party to pass legislation on a simple majority is the bridge too far!!

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/criminal-courts-australia/latest-release#:~:text=416%2C844%20(86%25)%20had%20a,court%20levels%20for%20further%20action You will note that 1/3 of charges in criminal courts are traffic and vehicle regulatory offences - I expect (just from anecdotal evidence) a large portion of these are simply turn up, plead guilty cop the mandated sentence. Again different to a plea deal.

I’ve said it in the past the Americans have too many elections. Public prosecutors, school boards, rat catchers should not be elected positions regardless of what Alexis De Tocqueville says

I'm always impressed with your analysis of everything bar the bluebaggers your stats are always on the money Macca .Do you have a source for that would be interested in reading it .