Pressure mounts on Arnold as Socceroos lose again

I just watched the extended highlights of all recent Peru qualifiers against Sth American opposition. The speed and movement of their play is dramatically better than Australia. If we beat UAE, which is not only possible, but realistically achievable if we field a stronger squad, Peru will humiliate us in the next game. cheers

I rate Corica highly much better than Arnold, what I dont understand if you dont rate Corica and he is at Sydney FC then whats the issue you hate the club, Rudan is a loser not as big as Robinson but still a loser, I prefer he is at WSW than Sydney FC for sure. Aloisi is also an old man lover without the nursing home skills of Corica, Papas the style he gets teams to play I like. I think he has been great that way, however he also had his issues has too many personal favourites and doesn't have a critical enough eye to get rid of them. Moon is a joke you rate him. The concern for me is having all these idiots and old men lovers around when Australia needs to develop the next generation for the Socceroos.

ok so I am not going to explain strategic thinking analysis in depth to, let's just call it at each to his own.

Papas is a joke at least Ange has a brain and looks what is in front of him, look at Newcastle, he has the best youth he doesn't play them. When finally he does Archie gets 2 goals as a starter, Then he is back on the bench next game and only gets to start at half time. Miketaldeze should have scored in the first half from an open goal mouth when the Jets had a lot of energy and were dominating. Archie is taller faster makes better runs is a better shooter but was left on the bench. when Archie comes on at half time, the team has no energy left and he only gets one chance at the end of from a free kick where he had lots of bodies in front of him, it was a good shot but the goal stretched out a leg to save it. No matter how tired and useless Papas foreign legion of rejects is he goes with them. Papas should be looking for more youth for the A-league crowded schedule and rotating players.

I knew early in the A-League's history that the lack of any strategy and vision for the game would bring trouble. A too short season, one team per city and salary caps led to it, although expansion should have changed a lot. But the league has been too obsessed with things like chasing big name players (which they now can no longer do), culminating in the idea of trying to make Usain Bolt a footballer. The people behind this must be held accountable for the current state of Australian football.

mate, strategic thinking. If Ange is afforded the time he needs he will establish the system he established at Yokohama, a club's ability to produce consistently skilled and educated players. Why do you think, Papas was invited to the US to assess and improve their youth development program. Papas is in the same school of philosophy and thinking as Ange. There will always a need to bring in players, a strategy takes time to implement, the problem is modern society has a short attention span and analytical thinking is sadly becoming a think of the past for the greater part of society. Sadly, thinking is beccoming laminate deep thanks to social media, which does the thinking for a majority. That's why these guys are unique. As for Degenek, that illustrates exactly what I am saying. Ange does not work solely on ability. He looks at a player's personality, he goes below the surface to decide whether this player will fit the culture and the mentality as much as the skill set

At Celtic he has hired a lot of players from abroad, Ange has a good eye for players from abroad, Broich, Berisha , Finkler. DId he explain why he didn't keep Degenek at Yokohoma but selected him for the Socceroos. Has Ange brought youth through at Celtic I dont know but his major success stories are newly hired players. If you dont remember Ange used to be the Australian youth coach from 2000-2007. Did Ange uncover any real gems in that period, his youth teams were no better than Arnolds. If Ange within 7 years didnt go round the country scouting for prospects as youth coach is he is going to do that as national team coach. What exactly were his new ideas because he certainly didnt bring through the talent when he had all those years as youth coach. The only reason Archie Thompson became a professional footballer is the caravan he was living in went to Morwell and Frank Arok spotted him at the local park. Rogic I saw on a video by chance and said thats a quality player sign him up for the A-league yet despite playing the top level final in Canberra and being a star we need the Nike program to then rediscover him. The system in Australia is so stuffed up we are the only country in the world were you can be a great player and be left on the street. Ange seemed to be just as much part of the old boys network as everyone else when he was youth coach. Also we can see around the Socceroos and youth teams the number of old boys network members, VIdmar,Okon, Moore its endless. Every other country in the world they go down to the local park and they say there is talent, here like how Katholos put in an interview after saying he spotted a talent, instead of saying he wanted to develop that talent he was looking for the right opportunity to be involved and the money in coaching teams was too low. In other words looking for a rich parent to coach their son not develop the talent he saw.

We don’t want to lose, been there done that, we need to win but we don’t want to lose,defend defend and maybe pinch one in a game we HAD to win…..been there done that

Troisi these days is the player you get if you want to end up near the bottom of the A-league table. Jeggo is a bit clumsy but Troisi is even clumsier now and at least Jeggo is really fit, you dont know what state he turns up in, past seasons he hardly moved this season has been a bit better but his output is random. Opposition mark the heck out of Antonis and leave Troisi alone the opposition coaches dont care about him.. Imagine how many fouls and penalties Troisi would give away as dm. When Troisi was younger he was very promising. Instead of developing into a finer player he has gone backwards and thats the key issue with the Socceroos.

The roadblock was that Ange had a long term plan to improve the national team and improve the flow of playerd to the national team. His thinking was way ahead of the old boys at FFA. Look at what he's done at Celtic. There's now an Australian who completely subscribes to and understands Ange's construct. You watch the flow of players that starts to come from that U18s team

What was the roadblock though? Obstacles, roadblock, blah, blah , blah. All you said is Slater wrote an article. How does that stop Ange from coaching. Ange and Arnold are appointed coach, they chose who they want and told them what to do. They both got first class flights from Europe for players, big budget, heaps of staff etc. Though in Arnolds case Covid interfered with that. Now Arok on the other hand he never had a fraction of the money these two were given and then he got even further budger cuts when Arthur George was gone. Arok couldn't even afford to fly over European players for world cup qualfiiers against NZ.

So all the thousands of comments made here have been read, digested, and ignored. Arnie is good to go for the play-offs, and I think that's the correct decision. As long as Arnold doesn't start Mooy we are in with a chance.

Yes I understand they do after speaking with a coach I have worked with who is going for a position in their youth/junior teams who was told that he must follow their curriculum/drills and must play the City way or he would not get the job. The coach, a Brazilian, was most put out by this requirement and complained that this was the wrong way of coaching, whether he's right or not I am not really qualified to say. In regard to the NYL team, you can see they try and play the City way. I watched highlights of their latest game which they won 4-2 against Victory NYL team and they were certainly playing some exciting City style play. Goals scored by midfielder Luke Oresti, striker Max Caputo and two by their winger Moonib Adrus. Oresti has been on the bench a couple of times and Caputo of course has played some minutes in the seniors. These are all Melbourne boys I believe which shows City are developing some exciting kids from Victoria.

that skills system is alive and well in England. As a Newy lad, he is our pride and joy and always will be. Lives just a few doors up the street from my oldies. I have to ask the question, if we need to win, to score goals, would it not be pertinent to look at fast, attacking, distributive midfielders first, like McGree and then build the team around the midfield. Nabbout is another option, he can score, but his distribution is also first class. If the likes of Maclaren and Tilio are getting the service, then they are in a position to finish the job. Why is Martin Boyle so effective in the SPL but is not in a position to score that often? is Arnie playing him out of position too? This is not rocket science, it just not about the Gaffer, it about the team.

firstly, again I beg to differ. Have a look at some of the young players getting around, and who have left the A-league. The Toure boys, Atkinson, Devlin, Waine (ok he's a kiwi but still), Parsons, Thurgate, Goodwin, Muragis and you can consider established playeres as well, look what the A-League did for Goodwin (the Adelaide version) not to mention a young lad by the name of McGree. Struth , if you think the A-League is not good enough to produce players, you are not digging below the surface. McGree was in the starting lineup at Birmingham and few times and was creating assists and a couple of goals. Bottom line is that Arnold is a museum piece and it's time he was put in a display case

That's where an overseas coach is probably the best option and why FA will probably go down that path as an overseas coach's only agenda is trying to win. They should bring no bias to the job.

And we had 10 men - Cahill was red carded in the first half.

I think the problem is even bigger. We need to look at football and try to improve, but we need to look further, I think. We were once a great tennis nation and now? Rugby Union, athletics, cycling, etc. There are only a couple of sports where we are performing well at a world level - men's basketball, women's swimming (the reason why we were successful at the Olympics) and perhaps women's football. Perhaps we need to look more closely at sport and physical education in schools, at weekend clubs and do parents actually play with or encourage their children to play any more? I would guess that our highly supported codes would get a big shock if there were also competing in a truly world sport. I think there are deeper problems than football alone.

Peru beat us 2-0 last world cup.

You're making a lot of sense Punter, could not agree more with you. Our long distance travel A League should work in our favor too, in Asia qualifiers and ACL, but doesn't seem to.