Who had the bigger impact on Origin - Kenny or Lewis?

By matth / Roar Guru

In many discussions over the years, including in a recently article of mine right here, there have been spirited arguments put forward for the supremacy of Wally “The King” Lewis or Brett “Bert” Kenny in State of Origin during its formative years of the 1980s.

So, let’s have a look.

Man of the match awards – verdict: The King

Wally Lewis received eight man of the match awards from 31 matches. The Lewis legend was forged between 1982 and 1984 when he won five awards from six matches. This sequence of awards also never included a dead rubber:

1982 – Game 3 decider
1983 – Game 1 opener and Game 3 decider
1984 – Game 1 opener and Game 2 clincher

Lewis’ other three awards were also all in ‘live’ matches:

1985 – Game 2 leveller
1989 – Game 2 clincher
1991 – Game 1 opener

Brett Kenny received a single man of the match award in his 17 appearances, a dead rubber victory in 1986 to complete the first clean sweep. It was his scrum base partner Peter Sterling who leads NSW with four awards.

Captaincy – verdict: The King

Lewis captained Queensland a record 30 times from his 31 matches – his very first match was under the legendary Arthur Beetson. Kenny never captained NSW.

Lewis as captain was also very much the maestro, leading the team around the field like supercharged marionettes. Kenny tended to leave that to his halfbacks, whether it was Steve Mortimer or Sterling.

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Winning record – verdict: The King

Lewis has a 61.3 per cent winning record in Origin to Kenny’s 47.1 per cent. Lewis won eight Origin series and lost two (1985 and 1986), plus the two single-game victories in 1980 and 1981. Kenny won two series from six attempts.

Head to Head – verdict: Bert when five-eighth, with a healthy dose of Sterlo

The overall head to head is Lewis’ nine to Kenny’s eight. This also means that Lewis’ head to head against sides that did not include Kenny is ten wins from 14 matches. It seems that Kenny did have an effect.

As opposing five-eighths, the record is eight to four in Kenny’s favour as he was the pivot when NSW won in 1985 and achieved a clean sweep in 1986. Kenny never won a single Origin match from centre in four attempts. He also lost his first-ever Origin in 1982 from the bench.

I believe team strength and continuity had a massive effect here. It was not just Kenny, although he was a key component. For five of Kenny’s eight wins, his halves partner was Peter Sterling. This also equates to five of Sterling’s six wins. Sterling was man of the match in two of the matches that the pair played together.

Peter Sterling (Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)

There was a synergy between these two that was possibly the greatest seen at club level, at least in my time.

Maybe the NSW selectors could have noted this record and built on it, maybe Lewis in 1983 and 1984 would have still been too good. Who knows? The available evidence suggests the Kenny-Sterling combination, possibly with a dose of Steve Ella and Eric Grothe, may have given Queensland a real fright in 1983 and 1984.

Team strength – verdict: Even

NSW were favourites with the bookies for almost every Origin through to 1989. Their side were often packed with stars and it was extremely rare for the Maroons to have even close to equal representation in the national side, aside from one instance quickly squashed by Terry Fearnley.

However, no matter how many great NSW players were watching at home, unable to crack the side, only 13 at a time could actually take the field. Queensland could generally field a top-shelf backline and a willing pack and they took orders from the game’s greatest general. It is often forgotten now that the Queensland ‘greats’ of the 1980s were only anointed as such in hindsight.

It was a rare New South Welshman during the ’80s who lamented that their side had the lesser quality. That did change in 1988 and especially 1989 when Queensland were obviously superior and five of Lewis’ 19 wins were from those two series.

Let’s see how the sides stacked up during the overlapping careers of Kenny and Lewis.

1982

Kenny played Game 2 from the bench and Game 3 at five-eighth. Lewis’ side won both matches, with The King scoring a try and winning man of the match in the decider.

Queensland could boast household names such as Lewis, Mark Murray, Mal Meninga (Game 3 only) and Gene Miles (but on debut in Game 2). This, however, was rounded out by players such as Graham Quinn, Brad Backer, Norm Carr, Paul Khan and John Dowling.

Mal Meninga (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

NSW could boast legends Steve Rogers (Game 2), Mick Cronin (Game 3), Steve Mortimer, Ray Price, Les Boyd (Game 3) and Craig Young, but also had Ziggy Niszczot, Alan Thompson, Phil Duke, Paul Merlo and John Coveney.

1983

Two wins for Queensland and two man of the match awards for Lewis. Kenny played one game at centre and two at pivot after it was finally realised that Alan Thompson was not the answer.

The Maroons had their usual stars and added Paul Vautin, Wally-Fullerton Smith and Bryan Neibling to the back row. Their usual no-name wingers were for this series Terry Butler and Steve Stacey, and their front row was hardly Hall of Fame: Darryl Brohman, Dave Brown and Brad Tessman.

The Blues added Wayne Pearce to their forwards, producing a high quality back row of Ray Price, Pearce and Les Boyd. Eric Grothe was on the wing, but they failed to overpower the Queensland front row with Geoff Bugden and Geoff Gerard.

In Game 2, they picked six Parramatta players in their backline and won, but then lost Grothe and Sterling (I assume to injury – surely they didn’t drop them!). In all, NSW made five changes for Game 3 to a winning side and gifted the series to Queensland.

1984

This series saw another 2-1 victory to Queensland and another two man of the match awards to peak Wally Lewis.

It also saw another go for Alan Thompson with Kenny shunted to the centres. Rather than correct that error for Game 2, they brought in Terry Lamb and left Kenny on the edge. Kenny came back to five-eighth to win the dead rubber.

The Queensland backline for Game 1 was Colin Scott, Kerry Boustead, Meninga, Miles, Chris Close, Lewis and Murray. Truly great. They also had Greg Dowling and Bob Lindner added to their forward pack. This was an all-time great side. NSW picked many of the great Parramatta players, plus Garry Jack, Wayne Pearce and Steve Roach from Balmain. But they also picked Rex Wright, Ross Conlon and Chris Walsh.

Still, the Blues’ Game 2 side was very formidable indeed: Jack, Grothe, Kenny, Andrew Farrar, Conlon, Lamb, Mortimer, Price, Pearce, Noel Cleal, Peter Tunks, Royce Simmons and Steve Roach. No gimmes there.

1985

2-1 to the Blues. Mortimer celebrates.

NSW added some real quality here. I believe the addition of Michael O’Connor was maybe the most influential change. Not only was he a superstar and a nerveless goal kicker, it removed the temptation from the selectors to ever put Kenny in the centres again.

The other addition that had a huge effect was Ben Elias. A spine of Elias, Mortimer and Kenny was too much for Queensland to handle, even though they had their usual suspects playing, plus adding Dale Shearer. The dead rubber win was with an injured Mortimer replaced by Des Hasler.

Sorry, Des, but you were a downgrade.

1986

This was NSW’s high water mark at Origin level in the 1980s.

The Kenny-Sterling combination finally played an entire series, but just as importantly so did most of the team – Chris Mortimer, Michael O’Connor and Gary Jack established combinations in attack and defence. Just as importantly the same starting pack played the whole series: Pearce, Cleal, Steve Folkes, Peter Tunks, Simmons and Roach. Great pack that.

Queensland debuted Gary Belcher; their usual obscure winger was Les Kiss. Their forward pack was less experienced and intimidating than previous years, including Brad Tessman, Cavill Heugh, Ian French, Darryl Brohman and Gavin Jones.

1987

Queensland came back to win the decider after, wait for it, Kenny was moved to centre.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

This time undoubted great Cliff Lyons took Kenny’s place, but he was never going to gel sufficiently with Sterling to get the job done. The other significant difference was the absence of Michael O’Connor, although Kenny and Andrew Ettingshausen was a handy centre pairing! The forward pack lost some crunch without Steve Roach (replaced by Pat Jarvis). David Boyle and Phil Daley also got a run.

The other main difference between this series and the 1985 and 1986 encounters was the debut of the most unlikely Origin superstar, four foot tall rookie from Ipswich, Allan Langer, who played all three games. The other new starter was the underrated Peter Jackson, the roll forward of Martin Bella and the rib-shattering Trevor Gillmeister.

In general, Queensland had a better pack this year with Bob Lindner, Paul Vautin and Greg Dowling being injury-free.
So, what does all that tell us? Probably that a good pack is as important as anything else when winning Origin matches and that when NSW stick to their choices, it certainly doesn’t hurt.

Did Lewis or Kenny have the better teams around them? I’d say both, they tended to win with the better teams and lose when their teammates were less capable. What a surprise!

Personal performance – verdict: Lewis by a nose

This is hard to judge without going and watching each player’s Origin career in full. As much as I would like to, and it has been raining a lot in Brisbane, I’m going to have to go off statistics.

Tries and try assists

Lewis scored just over a try every five games, for Kenny it was just two across 17 matches, so Lewis was the try scorer. For try assists it was Lewis 0.54 vs. Kenny 0.53, so not a struck match between them.

Linebreaks

Lewis 0.68, Kenny 0.82. Slight advantage to Kenny, but as a centre for part of his career, it makes sense. Incidentally, Michael O’Conner has comfortably more than either of them.

Line break assists

Lewis 1.35, Kenny 0.82. So advantage Lewis in setting up his supports. His 42 career line break assists is still ten clear of Johnathan Thurston as the most in Origin.

Average runs and run metres

Lewis ten runs for 69 metres, Kenny 9.9 for 68.

Tackle busts

Lewis 3.0, Kenny 3.8. This adds to the narrative of Kenny as the more dangerous ball runner when you factor in line breaks above.

Offloads

Lewis 3, Kenny 2.5. Lewis was more of a physical presence, so this makes sense. Factor in his line break and try assists and Lewis was the better creator of opportunities for others and his 93 career Origin offloads is still a record.

Kicks and kick metres

Lewis has an obvious advantage here: ten kicks per game, averaging 338 kick metres. Kenny kicked just over once per game. Lewis also forced 18 dropouts (0.58 per game) versus Kenny’s four (0.23 per game).

(Photo by Tony Feder/Getty Images)

So, what does that tell us? Pretty much what we already know. They were both super dangerous in attack, with Kenny the better runner and Lewis the better at putting his supports away. The only thing that doesn’t support this narrative is actual tries scored.

Lewis was lethal from 5 to 10 metres out. The other part is the organising and kicking games. Lewis and Kenny obviously had different roles, but The King was certainly a brilliant long and short kicker. He still holds the Origin record for most career kick metres.

Aura

Lewis has still played more matches than any single NSW player.

He has the most famous moustache in the business (with apologies to Martin Bella). His highlights reel is trotted out every single year: that try in 1989, that tackle of Michael O’Connor in 1987, that pre-meditated verbal assault on Mark Geyer in 1991, that sin bin leading to a shower of cans in 1988, that bear hug of little Alfie Langer in 1980-something, that kick off the cross bar for Dish-Head Dowling in the rain in 1984.

Kenny does not have quite the same highlights reel or aura in Origin, like he certainly does for Parramatta with his consecutive grand final try-scoring feats. If you think NSW Origin in the 1980s, you think about Steve Mortimer with his arms raised in ecstasy, Michael O’Connor kicking from the sideline in blinding rain, Mick Cronin copping one from Artie Beetson, Noel Cleal and his two-metre drop out and Peter Sterling getting stuck in the banner while running onto the field in California in 1987.

I’m sure you have many Kenny highlights to discuss in the Origin arena and maybe I just can’t see them with my Maroon goggles on.

Overall verdict

There is none, really. It’s always going to be The King for me with eight series wins, and eight man of the match awards and a 30-game captaincy career. However, the argument can be made that Brett Kenny, alongside Peter Sterling and Michael O’Connor, had the potential to influence Origin in a similar way.

It does seem plain that Lewis’ most dominant period coincided with a disjointed NSW selection policy that was unstable, including not sticking with Kenny as part of a settled halves combination.

NSW got their act together in the mid-1980s with a settled backline core of Gary Jack, Michael O’Connor, Brett Kenny and Steve Mortimer or Peter Sterling. They also moved on from their last generation of hookers to more creative dummy halves and played a settled group of forwards.

Finally the tide came back in for Queensland from 1987 with the introduction of an all-time great half to match the NSW rivals, together with the decline of Kenny, Sterling and Mortimer.

The Crowd Says:

2023-07-14T08:17:08+00:00

Fedex4u2

Roar Rookie


Even as a NSW fan and from watching these games, who had the bigger impact on origin I would have to put Lewis ahead of Kenny even though Kenny does hold a head to head advantage of 8-4. The NSW selectors never stuck with a plan in regards to their teams. Where it changes, with Kenny being ahead of Lewis is when we compare them at club level. The difference being Kenny is kept at five-eight.

2022-07-23T09:26:39+00:00

Dwanye

Roar Rookie


Yeah, just a shame he Qld didn’t let him in earlier. Which of those years did you think was best for him?

2022-07-23T06:41:09+00:00

Pearcy

Roar Rookie


Wally played in the NSWRL competition for five years - 1988 to 1992.

2022-06-06T02:12:56+00:00

Latte Kid

Guest


A nice article for discussion. I am a NSW supporter and was around during that period. Wally Lewis was State of Origin and it would not have mattered what position he played. He was the face of State of Origin so when someone like Brett Kenny comes along, it doesn't matter how good he is, no one can get out of the large looming shadow Wally Lewis left on SOO. This is what makes Brett Kenny's winning 5/8 record against Wally Lewis statistic so fascinating. I actually don't agree with the author that Michael O'Connor or Peter Sterling's presence had a big impact, it was the other way around they both benefited from Kenny being at 5/8. In 1985 game 1 - O'Connor scored two tries, one from a backline movement that Kenny was involved in and one where Kenny picked up a loose ball and threw a simple over head pass for O'Connor to score. In 1986 game 2 O'Connor scores another try. Noel Cleal makes a great run through the middle of the field. Next play the ball Sterling is on the open side and Kenny signals to Sterling to come back to the blind side. Sterling throws a nice pass to a galloping Kenny who's in the clear and passes to an unmarked O'Connor to score. In 1986 game 3 - QLD are desperate to avoid a whitewash and are playing out of their skin. On one attack Mark Murray chips get crunched and does not regather, Gary Jack picks up the ball and passed to Kenny who perfectly times his pass to O'Connor as Wally Lewis hits Kenny over the top and O'Connor scores again. In 1987 game 1 - O'Connor scores one of this special tries from a great Noel Cleal pass and chips and chases his kick to the goal line just before Langer. Amazing try. In the same game second half, Kenny floats across the field his beautiful balanced running style and draws in three QLD defenders, passes to O'Connor who juggles the ball and scores in the corner. In 1987 game 3-Kenny and O'Connor were picked in the centres, Kenny was once again marked heavily but he put O'Connor in that gap where he just needed to beat Wally and NSW would have won the series. In the same half Kenny and O'Connor put Brian Johnston away and he did not draw Gary Belcher well enough before passing to Cliff Lyons and another bombed try went begging. When playing with Kenny, O'Connor scored 6 tries, one from individual brilliance, 4 from direct passes from Kenny and one from a backline movement. The way I would anaylse this is that as long as NSW had a centre who could run and had some smarts about getting to the tryline then that is the benefit that NSW had with Kenny at 5/8, they scored more tries. Sterling being a halfback did not mean as much IMO. Kenny won in 1985 with Steve Mortimer and I actually preferred that combination. In 1987, with the games to tight, there wasn't a winning Sterling play or move that got NSW over the line. I think Alan Langer played a little bit better than Sterlo. Similarly in 1988, NSW had a strong team and were beaten 3-0. The key to QLD's success is playing the basics right. Hard and tough forwards that tackled non-stop, smart captain with a strong will to win and very fast and powerful backs. When NSW won 3-0 in 1986 that was with Wally, Miles, Shearer and Meninga in the team so NSW feat in that series was legendary IMO.

2022-06-01T10:06:08+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Is rugby league played under rugby union rules pre-1967, comparable to limited tackles from then on? Do the titles won by a team before and after get added together, or are they not comparable ?

2022-06-01T09:59:58+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


I think your wiki page is screwed there. He played 4 games total in the first three series. 80-82 and lost 3. We lost all three years. He may as well have played for the other team. Cancel those from your list of uncomparables if you must.

2022-06-01T04:47:22+00:00

Cat Brown

Guest


Wally always said that Kenny was the better No. 6. When Kenny wasn't named at 6 he said he breathed a sigh of relief. But as a one eyed Queenslander it was always going to be the King

2022-06-01T02:28:51+00:00

Bonza

Roar Rookie


Interesting article - didn't realise Bert played in so many losing teams. I choose to remember 85/86 I suppose. Early and late 80s were all Wally, really. Nor did I realise how many games Alan Thompson played. He was a decent 5/8 but out of his depth there surely. I'd still argue Kenny to be an Immortal contender in terms of his Parramatta efforts.

2022-06-01T01:05:11+00:00

Latte Kid

Guest


The Game 2 1985 MotM should have gone to Kenny as he got the majority of the radio MotM awards, that TV award was a sympathy award to Wally because QLD lost their first series. To me that puts a question mark over MotM awards and what their real value is. Even some of Peter Sterling's MotM awards are suspect IMO.

2022-05-31T02:04:51+00:00

PaulC

Guest


By gee you are stirred up. I attended State (pre SOO games) at lang Park in the 70's & was impressed by the NSW teams steamrolling over the Qld teams. It really stood out the number of Qld players who were wearing Blue. NSW (sorry Sydney) clubs came to Qld with their Cheque books each year & signed up as many prospect as possible. SOO evened things up. Have a good day.

2022-05-30T12:57:12+00:00

The watcher

Guest


Agree. I started watching SOO in 1982 @14 when it was first broadcast into Canberra. And the first thing you noticed was the rabid Lang Park crowd and the second was Wally Lewis. Yes Kenny was the best NSW 5/8th and beat Wally at times in 85 and 86, which was the only times the NSW forwards played to their Sydney comp form. But otherwise Wally was easily the best player. Small observations about W.Lewis-at least 2 of his MoM awards should have gone to another QLD player: 2nd game in 84 Greg Dowling dominated the game in the mud and Wally even said GD should have won when he accepted the award. And his last MoM in 1st game 91 was given more out surprise he could still play - Martin Bella and Langer were better that night. Also Wally had the team operate around him - Muppet Murray was a great half-back but totally sacrificed his game to let Lewis run things. Finally, and related to the previous point, consider whether the modern legends of Cronk, Thurston, Smith, Lockyer. If say only I of them had been given such license to totally dominate their team would those QLD teams have been as successful for 11 out of 12 series? I doubt it because they won so many clutch games by sharing the load between them and with some handy backup man of the match winners in Slater and Inglis. Oh and don’t forget up until 1984, NSW players played for their clubs on the Saturday or Sunday before the SOO Game, which was only 2 days before as until 1990 the SOO were played on a Tuesday. Despite that, What Wally did in game 2 1989 is beyond anything else - Qld had 11 fit players after halftime: 2 broke their legs - And Wally scored that try. Only what Thurston did with the busted shoulder in game 2 2017 comes close

AUTHOR

2022-05-30T02:10:52+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Origin and pre-Origin are two different competitions run with entirely different rules. I'm sorry that Inglis got in your head. But If it makes you feel better the Hall of Famer Steve Rogers played his first senior football on the Gold Coast. He then proceeded to play for NSW for 8 series. He was also a pretty handy centre.

2022-05-29T21:54:09+00:00

Choppy Zezers

Roar Rookie


We could check out any time we liked, but we could never leave. Whoops sorry. Wrong reference. Sorry King.

2022-05-29T21:52:08+00:00

Choppy Zezers

Roar Rookie


From memory he scooted around Chris Mortimer who was moving as quickly as a Sherman Tank then Gaz was way infield and couldn't get him. Stupid memories. The other thing Wally did was year after year get a bunch of Qld players who weren't a scratch on the quality of NSW and dragged them over the line. Man for man NSW was always better but Qld and Wally found a way.

2022-05-29T21:02:20+00:00

jimmmy

Roar Rookie


Wally was scoring that try even if there was a Sherman tank in front of him.

2022-05-29T20:08:38+00:00

JOHN ALLAN

Guest


There is a connection there. Wally regularly consigned arrogant NSW to “Heartbreak Hotel”!

2022-05-29T13:47:41+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Hmm, yet happy to disregard the years on the other foot ? Seems to indicate a hypocritical viewpoint.

AUTHOR

2022-05-29T11:46:45+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


No doubt Inglis slipped through. You are just going to have to let it go.

2022-05-29T11:38:05+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Yep agreed. If wiki it right he was 13 when he arrived in Australia. Not eligible, same as Mulitalo. Any agreement that Inglis without doubt was not eligible to play for Qld?

AUTHOR

2022-05-29T11:38:00+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


The definitive answer is pre 1980: NSW 47 QLD 12

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