Make top four or make up the numbers: Near impossible to win title from sudden-death section of playoffs

By Paul Suttor / Expert

If the Eels are any hope of ending their 36-year title drought, Friday night’s clash with Manly is virtually a must-win game.

A loss at Brookvale will put Parramatta behind the eight ball in the hunt for the top four and history tells us it’s all but impossible to win the premiership from the bottom half of the playoffs.

In the NRL era, no team has won the title after finishing fifth or lower. 

Taking it back further, only the 1995 Bulldogs (who upset Manly in the decider after finishing sixth) and the ‘93 Broncos (who defended their title from fifth spot) in premiership history have lifted the trophy from outside the top four.

Parramatta are in a three-way tie for fourth spot with Melbourne and Brisbane on 26 points with five rounds remaining. Cronulla are a win ahead and the Cowboys another two points higher on 30.

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The Cowboys and Sharks have relatively easy draws so it looks like a three-horse race for that all-important second chance in the playoffs that comes with a top-four finish.

How important? 

It breaks down like this – of the 24 teams that have won the minor premiership in the NRL era, 23 made the preliminary finals, 16 progressed to the grand final but only eight lifted the trophy.

For teams that placed 2-4 on the ladder, 52 of those 72 sides made the prelims with only 24 of them progressing to the GF.

And for those ranked fifth or lower, a fraction over 20% of them survive until the penultimate week of the finals and of the 21 that have done so, 13 of them went no further.

Position Prelim Finalists Grand Finalists Premiers
Minor premiers 23/24 (96%) 16/24 (67%) 8/24 (33%)
Teams ranked 2-4 52/72 (72%) 24/48 (50%) 16/24 (67%)
Rank 5 or lower 21/98 (21%) 8/48 (16%) 0/24 (0%)

In the past decade since the demise of the McIntyre finals system, only two teams have made the grand final from outside the top four – the Cowboys in 2017 and Bulldogs in 2014 – with neither team winning the title.

The anomaly that was the Wests Tigers of 2005, the Roosters three years beforehand and the now-deleted title run of Melbourne in 2009 are the only occasions where the team which finished fourth has lifted the NRL trophy (before in the Storm’s case, having to hand it back for salary cap rorts).

Every other premiership winner over the past quarter of a century has come from the top three at the end of the regular season.

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Of the 48 teams who’ve contested grand finals since ‘98, all but eight of them finished in the top four – the aforementioned 2017 Cowboys and ‘14 Dogs, as well as the 2011 Warriors and 2010 Roosters from sixth, the ‘09 Eels from eighth, the fifth-placed North Queensland team in 2005, St George Illawarra’s foundation squad of 1999 and Canterbury the previous year when they made an improbable run from ninth before being trounced by Brisbane.

All eight ran out of steam by the time they reached the GF with the ‘99 Dragons the only one that went close.

In the past decade in the 1 v 4, 2 v 3, 5 v 8 and 6 v 7 system, on five occasions the top four teams have all progressed to the preliminary finals with three of the four making it in the other years.

Under the McIntyre system which was used from 1999 up until 2011, there was no season where all four progressed to the prelim stage.

Three of the top four made the prelims every other year apart from 2009 when the Dragons and Titans bombed out in straight sets and the inaugural NRL season of ‘98 when there was a 10-team finals set-up due to the inflated 20-team competition. Newcastle and Melbourne went out the back door after finishing in the top four.

Only eight of the 98 teams in the NRL era who have finished fifth or lower have even qualified for the GF and the number who have become premiers is a much rounder number.

So, no pressure, Parramatta.

Of course, they can potentially lose this match and still recover to leapfrog Brisbane and Melbourne over the final month of the regular season. They face the Broncos and Storm in the closing fortnight so they can keep destiny in their own hands.

The Eels will be without star halfback Mitchell Moses for at least the next three weeks with a broken finger.

Jake Arthur has been brought into the team and coach Brad Arthur said his son had not been affected by the recent backlash from fans about his selection in the top grade.

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Trolls have inundated the club’s official account about his selection while the young playmaker was booed by a vocal minority of Eels fans when his name was read out as a bench utility during the pre-match team announcement a fortnight ago.

“He’s done a good job, he deserves his opportunity. We’re excited for him. He’s just got to see it as a good opportunity to keep learning his craft in a really good team,” the coach said at his midweek media conference.

And if they can win the race for fourth spot they will likely face premiers Penrith in the first round of the playoffs. The Panthers have only lost twice all year but the Eels were the team that conquered them on each occasion so they would be far from fearful against their western Sydney derby rivals.

For the Sea Eagles, they slumped to 10th after last Thursday’s home loss when seven of their players refused to play due to the club’s inclusivity jersey.

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Their chances of making the finals are still alive but they have as much chance of finishing in the top four as they have of finding gold at the end of a rainbow, jersey or otherwise.

Veteran coach Des Hasler tried to put a positive spin on the dramas on Thursday morning by saying the team had cleared the air in a meeting on the weekend.

Five of the seven players who sat out the costly defeat to the Roosters are listed to return in the 17-man line-up with second-rower Josh Schuster on the extended bench and prop Josh Aloiai sidelined with a knee problem.

“It’s the old expression that you can’t control the noise outside. The players have resolved to just get on with it,” Hasler said.

He’s hoping the five players returning to the field after standing down due to religious and cultural reasons were not jeered by the crowd but added “everybody has individual thoughts about it and it’s always going to be one of those ones that is speculated and talked about”. 

The Crowd Says:

2022-08-07T11:10:54+00:00

anthony15

Roar Rookie


All is forgiven mate! Love your work

AUTHOR

2022-08-07T08:26:58+00:00

Paul Suttor

Expert


Canterbury in '02 and Storm in '11 for "other" reasons went from first to last!

2022-08-06T02:44:20+00:00

Paul

Guest


You could say that the team who wins the regular season first. Should be presented with a trophy , that’s bigger & better than the final premiership trophy. Plus a monetary prize that’s much bigger. In EPL soccer, it’s considered to be the biggest prize of all to finish the regular season in first place & rightly so. It’s so hard to do!

2022-08-06T02:38:15+00:00

Panthers

Guest


Just a note on that Year for Penrith. They are the only team to ever be running last & then finish first , in the same season.

AUTHOR

2022-08-06T02:27:57+00:00

Paul Suttor

Expert


True but it was kinda like the Broncos in 93. Everyone thought they were pacing themselves and would then swamp Penrith in the decider. The atmosphere that night was awesome

2022-08-06T01:06:09+00:00

Chris

Guest


Everything, especially the draw. Has gone Cronulla’s way. If they’d had a difficult draw & missed lots of players for rep games, they wouldn’t be sitting up as high as they are.

2022-08-06T01:00:17+00:00

Justin

Guest


South’s draw , especially through the middle of the season was very soft too. However, agree about Cronulla, Cowboys draws. It looked like Cronulla wrote up their own draw to me. Put that together with the ideal time to play the Storm, Cowboys for Cronulla & no real rep season problems. What a Draw!

2022-08-06T00:30:22+00:00

Panthers

Guest


Penrith were minor Premiers in 2003. Not the Roosters. They’d also played twice during the regular season, with one win each. Only the so called experts & the Roosters had written off Penrith in that GF. It seemed like everyone else was supporting Penrith at the Ground in the GF too.

2022-08-06T00:22:30+00:00

Chris

Guest


They were well beaten by Penrith. Then should defeat Penrith next time around, but only because Penrith don’t have their halves. In any case, you left that Penrith result out.

2022-08-05T21:31:50+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Their defensive form has fallen off a cliff since Martin was replaced at fullback so I’m not actually sure where their next win comes from

2022-08-05T07:34:57+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Yet they had Penrith in the same trouble Parra have had them in, until Kotoni decided not to ground the ball. Yes, we came back from 6-0 to end up running away, but 12-0 would have been a different game. They were close. Playing the next three straight at home, you would think they are a chance of winning those. That probably makes it into the top4 on its own.

2022-08-05T07:13:56+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Hi Paul, This has been my preferred finals format. I based it on the Big Bash pyramid-style final series, where lower teams need to climb their way to the top. Teams 1, 2 straight into the prelim + 2wks off Teams 3, 4 straight into qualifying final + 1wk off Teams 5 - 8 need to win every week The higher you finish, the more reward, is how I think it should be. Wk 1 - Game 1: Team #5 v Team #8 Game 2: Team #6 v Team #7 Wk 2 - Game 3: Team #3 v winner of Game 2 Game 4: Team #4 (H) v winner of Game 1 Wk 3 - Game 5: Team #1 v winner of Game 4 Game 6: Team #2 v winner of Game 3 Wk 4 - Winner game 5 and 6

2022-08-05T03:04:47+00:00

Pete

Guest


It wouldn't be a shock to see a side from outside the top 4 make the GF this year. Whether they can beat Penrith is another question but I think sides like the Bunnies, Eels and Roosters would like their chances against the Cowboys and Sharks. Both have had a very soft draw which has had a big impact on where they sit on the ladder. They could be in for a bit of a shock when everyone goes up a level in the finals.

2022-08-05T03:00:52+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


Yeah I don't think it's possible to have a finals system that's totally fair every year. This year, if the finals were starting next week, I don't think anyone would argue if Panthers were just handed a GF spot straight up, they're clearly dominant.

AUTHOR

2022-08-05T02:51:44+00:00

Paul Suttor

Expert


Everyone appears to be on a tier below Penrith but that was the case with the Eels in 2001, the Roosters in ‘03 and the Storm in ‘08

2022-08-05T02:41:22+00:00

JVGO

Guest


I agree with Rabbits and Roosters, maybe Storm but they look mentally burnt out for once. Parra for mine lack the x factor ultra big guns and that's their real weakness. A great side when they run as a team but not really anyone who can turn a game on their own. Look how the experienced Roosters ambushed both the young Sharks and Broncos lately with early blitzes. If Keary stays out there they're a threat.

2022-08-05T02:32:39+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


No I don’t see them as inconsistent, just not all that good. Finishing 7th to 8th and out first week of finals is about their level this year. Given where they came from that’s a tick for the season from me. But surely no one seriously expects them to trouble the top teams during the finals. Look at their back line roster last night compared to the Roosters. Men v boys.

2022-08-05T02:28:34+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Add Broncos to the mix, last night was 2020 all over, but included their marquee halfback.

2022-08-05T02:25:11+00:00

astro

Roar Rookie


The only team I can see challenging for the title, outside the top 4, are the Roosters. They were my pre-season pick, but suffered a tonne of injuries through the year. But they're getting healthy now, and have a more settled backline after chopping and changing each week, and look to be coming good at the right time of the year. Next week against the Cowboys will be a great game. On paper at least, I think they're a better team than the Sharks, Cowboys and Storm (another banged up team).

2022-08-05T02:23:39+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


100%, there is no point whinging how hard it is to win from outside the top4. The whinge should very much be about the club internally, as to why they finished outside the top4 that year and not higher.

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