NZ View: 'Eight-week ban' wanted for 'full on grub'. While we rage at ref, Kiwis blow up at Wallabies 'villain'

By Tony Harper / Editor

Darcy Swain has taken over from Quade Cooper as New Zealand Rugby’s public enemy number one after he injured All Blacks rival Quinn Tupaea during Thursday’s epic clash in Melbourne.

Swain received a yellow card moments after coming onto the field in the second half when he got it all wrong at a maul and drove his shoulder through Tupaea’s knee causing damage that will keep the Kiwi out of action for the rest of the year.

Swain was cited over the incident on Friday and, following his red card against England for headbutt, could face a second extended ban this year.

New Zealand coach Ian Foster was livid about the action which ruptured Tupaea’s MCL and will sideline him for the rest of the year.

He was asked if Swain should have received a red card but side-stepped the question, while leaving no doubt over his feelings.

“We’ve got a big issue with it. You’re not allowed to target legs on the side at a clean out past the ball, so the rules are pretty clear,” said Foster.

Darcy Swain of the Wallabies leaves the field after receiving a yellow card. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie felt Swain shouldn’t have even received a yellow.

“I’m not convinced … it was certainly nothing intentional,” Rennie said.

Speaking on The Breakdown Podcast, All Blacks legend Jeff Wilson said he understood Rennie’ backing his player but added: “The reality is we have a player who is sidelined due to a an illegal action, a careless and reckless action.

“He may not have meant to to do it but there was no way anything but an injury was going to come about.

“He wasn’t even coming from a legal position to clean out.”

Wilson asked his podcast co-host – Kiwi broadcaster Nate Rarere for his reaction.

“Bro, right on the side of the knee joint. He didn’t have to come in there,” said Rarere.

“It’s a game where yes there’s aggression and physicality … but there’s a point of care. That’s not care.

“I thought it was grubby, I thought it was dirty. I thought he knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe he didn’t intend to ruin this guy’s ligaments. But he had no business being in there. I’m thinking it’s easy eight weeks for me.”

Wilson said Swain has history.

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“This is a behaviour of being reckless so you’d expect the book is thrown at him,” said Wilson. “The one thing we do know with the judiciary is there’s no consistency so we have no idea.

“I wonder if there’s a course he can do to reduce it down,” Wilson added, in a reference to SANZAAR’s approach to high contact red cards.

“I’m fascinated to see how this plays out. By the same token, I’d love to see him running out at Eden Park. Talk about a villain. Imagine when his photo comes up on the big screen.”

Rarere added: “I want an annoying dude out there. I understand why Darcy Swain comes out to be the bully and the physical thing but that’s full on grub.”

Swain is alleged to have contravened Law 9.11 which states players must not do anything reckless and dangerous to others.

The case is to be considered by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee which will take place on Monday via video conference.

Swain aside, Wilson and Rarere gave the Australians their due for their impressive comeback, halted by a controversial refereeing call from French whistler Mathieu Raynal.

“I don’t want to take anything away from the Wallabies performance because for 79 minutes they stayed in the fight,” Wilson said. “When they were down 31-13, a position where you never expect the All Blacks would allow an opposition to get back from.

“They showed some signs of things we knew they were capable of but didn’t expect them to do against the All Blacks.

“Now I think we come to Eden Park and even though the Bledisloe Cup’s not on the line the stakes have got very high. They’ll want to deny us the Rugby Championship. They’ll want to break the hoodoo. For the Wallabies, this is the best possible result other than winning.”

Raynal’s decision dominated the fall out on Friday.

Grant Chapman, writing for NewsHub, said the Wallabies failed to heed a warning from Raynal and got what they deserved.

“The archrivals battled out another classic trans-Tasman contest, but you get the feeling the Aussies will grizzle about the three yellow cards – two of them concurrent – and controversial ending for some time to come,” he wrote.

“Cynics may suggest that French referee Mathieu Raynal was New Zealand’s best on the night, but he had certainly warned the Wallabies for time-wasting in a stop-start contest that seemed designed to disrupt any All Blacks continuity.”

Marc Hinton, writing on stuff.co.nz argued the decision was “unduly harsh”

“There is a lot to unpack from one of the most dramatic Bledisloe Cup Tests in history, but the chief takeaway has to be that the All Blacks, with a little help from the referee, found a way to win a match that looked for all money to have slipped from their grasp,” he wrote

“Well, that and the, yes, wonderful Wallabies were exceedingly unlucky not to have pulled off one of the great comeback victories in their history, denied at the finish by a stickler referee who pulled out one of the most seldom used laws in a very complicated book.

“You had to feel for the Wallabies, who had come storming back to close a 31-13 second-half deficit in the final quarter, and put themselves in the box seat in the dying minutes to clinch a famous upset that would have given them, not just a shot at the Bledisloe heading to Auckland, but also the Rugby Championship.”

Gregor Paul, writing in the New Zealand Herald, praised the All Blacks for ruthlessly capitalising on the refereeing decision to run in a winning try by Joride Barrett.

“It wasn’t always easy to tell where the All Blacks’ heads were at during their epic Bledisloe win, but in the final minute, when they were dramatically and sensationally awarded a scrum five metres from the Wallabies try-line, they were mentally in precisely the right place,” Paul wrote.

Referee Mathieu Raynal speaks to Nic White and Bernard Foley of the Wallabies during The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the Australia Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks at Marvel Stadium on September 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

“The instant referee Mathieu Raynal made what many believe was an unprecedented decision to penalise the Wallabies for time-wasting with just one minute of the game left, the All Blacks’ leaders were huddled and planning.

“They made a couple of smart realisations – the first being that the referee was not to be trusted and the second, was that a draw was no good to them and therefore a dropped goal was off the table.

“The plan was therefore hatched to get the ball out of the scrum as quickly as possible and to then commit the Wallabies defence to the middle of the field by using the forwards to pick and drive until there was an opportunity to exploit the inevitable space out wide.”

All Blacks flyhalf Richie Mo’unga said the team didn’t want to leave “anything up to chance with the ref around the scrum.’

“We wanted to get the ball in and out and impose ourselves on them. We did exactly that and we ended up getting the advantage which gave us a licence to have a free crack.”

The New Zealand players had never seen a decision for time wasting in those circumstances but were pleased the ref acted.

“I haven’t seen it, but I also applaud him,” said Brodie Retallick. “He was telling them to play the ball and to hurry and I guess I applaud him for making a big call in a moment like that because I guess it wasn’t easy.”

The decision garnered world wide headlines.

Former England international Stuart Barnes, writing in The Times, it an example of “abject stupidity.”

“The match in Melbourne between Australia and New Zealand had it all,” he wrote.

“Thrills, spills, great tries, moments of aberration – but more than anything else, it will be remembered for a decision made by the referee, Mathieu Raynal, that will forever be regarded somewhere between the worst and most bizarre that international rugby has yet to witness.

“It almost certainly cost Australia a rare win against their great rivals.

“Foley was doing what any kicker in the world would do, setting himself to make sure he didn’t slice the ball in field and, yes, taking another five or ten seconds up. He wasn’t cynically ending the contest.

“Yet this wasn’t even an obvious example of time-wasting. He had started his kick-clearance routine when the whistle metamorphosed a probable match-sealing kick to touch into a match-losing scrum, with New Zealand set to salvage the game in the final plays. Foley wasn’t ambling around with his back to the referee. He wasn’t snubbing authority.

“Whatever the laws or sub-laws of the game claim, here was a refereeing decision of abject stupidity.

“There was nothing worthy of turning the momentary delay of Foley into an exhausted act of madness.”

Robert Kitson, writing in the Guardian said Raynal’s decision “obscured the fact that the All Blacks remain distinctly mortal. Yes, they sneaked it at the last. But the majority of their points came when the Wallabies were reduced to 13 or 14 men and at no stage did the All Blacks look remotely back at the peak of their powers.

“Clearly there is still time to tinker selection wise but it is in the crucial areas of tactical nous and clear thinking that New Zealand, once past masters at both, are currently diminished.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-07-27T08:53:44+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


like the ice hockey players - our's is an enforcer, yours is a goon

2023-07-27T08:52:51+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


didn't Loe also eye gouge a AB team mate in a county game?

2023-07-21T15:40:01+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


Ah mon ami I once was The Late News...but been more focused on the RWC in France lately. Strongly suspect I will be back!

2022-09-23T06:18:24+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Rusty, would you say Pocock getting suspended for twisting other peoples necks reduced his appearances too? I know he got cranked more than he cranked himself. But the point is no one is an angel and no country or team can claim moral superiority. At least no trans-Tasman team.

2022-09-23T06:18:14+00:00

TJ-Go Force!

Roar Rookie


Pococks career would have been so much more too.

2022-09-23T06:17:35+00:00

TJ-Go Force!

Roar Rookie


Very tender still mate, looking like another month before contact

2022-09-23T06:11:19+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


I do bleed red and black. I’m aware of it and try to be objective. But that’s a struggle none of us win. I just hope after the game tomorrow night we can all talk about the rugby and not the ref, not a card or non-card. Not a made up insult or imagined offence. Just the Rugby. And who ever wins, I hope it is a hiding, as if it’s not the ABs taking the RC, I’d like the Wallabies too. It would also take the hoodoo off Eden park. It’s become a ‘thing’, for the ABs as much as anyone else. The pressure to ‘not lose’ there is stupid now. Also, how is your neck? I do honestly hope it is on the mend. However much we disagree on things when our teams are involved.

2022-09-23T06:05:00+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


At Ozinsa - oh, I know is Kiwis can moan like the best of them. I land I don’t doubt that we would be cracking it about this one. Wouldn’t make us right, just makes us like everyone else. Which some Kiwis would struggle to deal with. I think we are very prone to turning on the ABs when they don’t perform - look at the recent string of results and how nasty we got. We would more readily turn on our #10s I think. Especially as we have had division there already between the BBs and the RMs.

2022-09-23T05:14:01+00:00

TJ-Go Force!

Roar Rookie


That was a wind up mate on the crusaders. You are extremely patriotic towards them though.

2022-09-21T10:37:41+00:00

Spew_81

Roar Rookie


Coaches pick the players. Coaches coach/condone particular techniques. Players don’t become loose cannons. Some players get picked because they are loose cannons, who do damage and make the opposition focus on them and not their own game. Abrasive close to the line, play is a reason why coaches pick particular players. Do you think Bakkies Botha was told to tone it down, or keep being abrasive? If coaches were more directly responsible for their players’ on field behaviour e.g. tackling technique you can guarantee that tackle technique, which protects the head, will be done every practice – until it is muscle memory. If coaches were getting fined and suspended as well as the offending players you can bet the offending players would get dropped. For instance Colin Meads wouldn’t get picked today (unless he played a different style of game), because if you jumped against him in the lineout he hit you very hard; as well as other rough play. Now that there are: cards, the TMO, the judiciary he would play about half a dozen games a year between suspensions. If his coach was also fined and suspended he just wouldn’t get picked.

2022-09-21T09:23:33+00:00

Guess

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I'm not sure about solutions but I don't think the coaches should be responsible for brain explosions. Some players just do dumb stuff even if they're coached properly. Coaches don't like card magnets and replace them eventually. I really hope no team is trained to do it on purpose. The refs are just not strict enough on that but then if they start to ping everyone the game will stop.

2022-09-21T08:18:23+00:00

Spew_81

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Concussion can have life changing consequences. It could’ve been the Dalzell knock, the Gilbert throw, a combination of both; or the other sundry knocks Hopper has surely received over the years. One concussion can be more than enough to do long term damage; so the after effects of either of those two shots could be what is ailing Hooper. Though neither, hopefully, meant Hooper long term harm. I remember a tv show where the long term effects of concussion were discussed. Steve Devine was saying, after he had to retire, one day he woke up and felt really good. Then realized it was the first time for a while that he didn’t have a migrane: “It was a long three years trying to battle my way through migraines and fatigue and pretty horrible symptoms,” Devine said. “I had a migraine for five days a week for three years. It’s not something that I would wish upon anyone.“. I support far longer suspensions for high shots e.g. double than the current standard. Also fines. If there is a problem with a particular team, also suspending and fining the coach(es). I think those sorts of things will be far more effective than red cards. Long term the tackle height needs to be dropped. It will be hard to enforce, but something like: Above the solar plexus and below the shoulder – penalty; above the shoulder and below the head, yellow card; direct head contact either yellow or red – for instance the Faf de Klerk ‘accidental’ slap on Nic White should’ve been a yellow, even without the hollywood, something like the Dalzell or Ta’avao head contact – clear red. It won’t be until players learn from day one ‘If you are going into a tackle situation – bend at the hip’ that this will be sorted.

2022-09-21T07:37:08+00:00

Guess

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I have no idea why he took a break. There was a speculation amongst the fans that it’s because of concussion but nothing official. It’s so unusual and out of character anyway. I too just hope he will recover whatever it is

2022-09-21T07:28:59+00:00

Guess

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I haven't visited the site, I would've told you which incident. It's mostly Hamish stupid high tackle (and few minutes before he made another one and wasn't punished even though O'Keefe saw it) that led to hooper's concussion forcing him to miss two games. The brainless throw was in his next game. I don't know which is worse it's hard to categorise things like that. I don't think it was deliberate but highly reckless brain explosions in all 3 cases, including swain and it should be punished. I was referring to your speculation on how it might affect the player. Coincidentally Hooper wasn't his best afterwards. Is it Hamish fault?

2022-09-19T21:17:10+00:00

Davis

Guest


Nothing intentional? What footage was Rennie watching? Swain locks his arm around the leg then drops his (massive) body weight down on it. We'll let the review decide but he will be a long ban for that I suspect. There was nothing accidental about that.

2022-09-19T07:03:30+00:00

Atlas

Roar Rookie


Three weeks of Super rugby, and if he'd been selected, one Wallabies match. No surgery. The independent citing commissioner reviewed the event and determined no further action re Scott Barrett.

2022-09-19T05:03:40+00:00

Andrew Nichols

Guest


Rennies support for obvious thuggery by Swain has badly damaged his reputation in NZ as a decent bloke. I'm apalled.

2022-09-19T02:53:09+00:00

JohnWayneBoblats

Roar Rookie


Suzie and Barnes, great name for a band.

2022-09-19T01:57:27+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


72nd minute All Blacks in possession, All Blacks prop Fletcher Newell in from the side, dragging Scott Sio’s leg and lands his body weight on his leg – why aren’t people blowing up about an almost identical tackle? is it because Sio comes away from the challenge unscathed? no one wants to see players injured.

2022-09-19T01:52:03+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


TLN the Kiwis just can't let it go eh. you play within the rules, you win, and they sook about it for 41 years! (was a dog act tho')

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