Saints go back to the future, but will 'Ross the Boss' lead them to that elusive premiership?

By Matthew Younan / Roar Rookie

The year was 2011.

Mark Harvey was coach of Fremantle and Ross Lyon was in charge at St Kilda.

Then, on a Thursday night in the middle of October, the Dockers sacked Harvey and appointed Lyon as his replacement.

The AFL industry was in shock. Harvey was left understandably “angry and disappointed” about losing his job.

Lyon had walked out on the Saints to chase success across the other side of the country. He had ditched St Kilda to coach Fremantle. The 55-year-old was labelled as “deceitful, duplicitous and distasteful”. He was seen as being cunning and money-hungry, chasing millions of dollars.

On Monday, though, the Saints announced Lyon would be returning to coach the club he left 11 years ago, after tenure that saw them reach three grand finals, including a famous draw with Collingwood in 2010.

According to Saints president Andrew Bassat, as soon as they had parted ways with Brett Ratten, they had eyes only on getting Lyon on board. When Ratten was sacked, Bassat and newly appointed CEO Simon Lethlean said they knew the coach they were after.

While they deny making any advancement to Lyon while Ratten was still coaching, many AFL experts believe they would not have made the decision to part ways with Ratten had they not known they could get Lyon. Bassat, Lethlean and Saints Director of Football Geoff Walsh met with Lyon extensively over the past 10 days.

Some fans will be excited about his return. Others will be reluctant to have him back after he walked out on the club.
This is the same man that left them in the lurch, after all.

But the man is adamant he has changed, and is determined to prove he can guide the club to success.

“Just give me the opportunity to get into action and we’re all only as good as our next moment,” Lyon said last week.

“I want to stack a lot of good moments here so in the end they’ll say this was the right decision.”

This is the same man who expressed keen interest in the Carlton coaching job last year and the Essendon coaching role this year, only to pull out, citing he didn’t want to go through a process.

He wanted a club to hand him the role on a golden platter. And the Saints did just that.

The question is, will they regret that decision? Or will it prove to be a masterstroke and land the club the elusive second premiership?

In what will be seen as getting the band back together, Lyon will be joined by former St Kilda players in the coaching box.

One of Lyon’s all-time favourite players, Lenny Hayes has already joined the Saints’ coaching ranks, while club legend Robert Harvey has left his assistant coaching role at Hawthorn and re-joined the club where he won two Brownlow Medals. Former Saint Brendan Goddard has also been suggested as another potential assistant coach to join forces with his previous mentor.

Saints coach Ross Lyon talks with Stephen Milne during a St Kilda training session in 2009. (Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)

With Corey Enright and Hayes as assistant coaches in defence and the midfield respectively, David Rath as a strategist, and Damian Carroll as head of development, Lyon will have great support surrounding him.

St Kilda’s last flag was 56 years ago – Lyon was still a month away from being born. But he is not shying away from the challenge of doubling their premiership tally.

“It‘s an Everest that can be climbed, needs to be climbed and I’d like to be the person to do that with the group,” he said.

David Parkin was the last man to coach the same side in two different stints – and tasted success in his second stint with Carlton in 1995. St Kilda fans will be hoping Lyon can have a similar fate in his second coming.

But for every David Parkin, there’s an Alex Jesaulenko: after coaching the Blues in 1978 and 1979, he coached St Kilda from 1980 – 1982. The man affectionately known as ‘Jezza’ returned to coach the Blues for the last part of 1989 after premiership coach Robert Walls was sacked. After taking over, he guided the Blues to seven wins for the rest of 1989 and got reappointed for the 1990 season.

The following year, they won 11 and lost 11 games and missed out on finals again when they were expected to return to premiership success. And he stepped down at the end of the 1990 season.

Lyon is a well-credentialed coach. He has coached sides to four grand finals. However, he has walked away empty-handed each time, unable to deliver premiership success. But the Saints were unlucky not to win the nail-biting 2009 grand final against Geelong; and if it wasn’t for a cruel bounce a year later against Collingwood as well, he would have had at least one premiership to his name.

Lyon may have the best win-loss coaching record of any coach that has ever coached St Kilda, but it will still be hard work. It’s a good thing he is under no illusions it will require a significant amount of effort to turn things around for the club starved of success.

With assistance from the old St Kilda brigade, can ‘Ross the Boss’ lead the Saints to the holy grail?

Or will his second tenure be another setback in the long history of the St Kilda Football Club?

I guess time will tell.

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-07T22:30:37+00:00

Bangkokpussey

Roar Rookie


Yes Ratts was pretty hard done by. Even more so when considering his future as a senior coach after being sacked twice. It would be a brave club that took him on.

2022-10-30T23:26:50+00:00

dargerovitch

Roar Rookie


Ratts has been badly treated by both Carlton and St. Kilda. I hope he goes back to Hawthorn replacing Robert Harvey who's gone back to the Saints. By all accounts Ratts was happy at Waverley when he was there and left with Hawthorn's good wishes. Would be good to see him welcomed back.(Of course there is another big unresolved issue at Hawthorn atm , but that's another topic irrelevant to this one.)

2022-10-30T21:25:08+00:00

AD

Guest


They re-signed Ratten and that crashed and burned only 3 months later, yet as far as I'm aware there's been no accountability from the people responsible for re-signing him - they're all still there, aren't they? If they won't take responsibility for a monumental cluster**** like that, I can't see any reason why they'd be willing to accept any if Lyon fails as well. After the Ratten fiasco they'll probably slap each other on the back and call it a success if Lyon is still coach 12 months from now.

2022-10-30T19:28:27+00:00

G money

Roar Rookie


come on m8. ratten was a dud. that much is clear

2022-10-30T01:18:21+00:00

Boo

Guest


Stkilda needs more genuine A grade players doubt any coach will make much difference particularly one who has never been involved in a flag .If you use Geelong being Premiers as the yardstick how many St Kilda players are better in there position maybe Rowan Marshall.

2022-10-29T20:05:40+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Great again? That’d require they were great previously.

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2022-10-29T12:33:49+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment Pete. It's an interesting perspective. I guess Lyon's bringing back players who are passionate about St Kilda who played for him and know the way he operates. Time will tell whether this 'back to the future' approach is going to work or as you suggest it won't succeed.

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2022-10-29T12:31:58+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Interesting take you got there.

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2022-10-29T12:31:40+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Yeah it's an interesting take Andrew.

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2022-10-29T12:30:37+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment Andrew. That's a good point. I guess they'll be hoping this doesn't crash and burn and they are vindicated by their decision making hey?

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2022-10-29T12:29:29+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment Alchemist. Well I guess time will tell hey?

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2022-10-29T12:28:51+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment. I understand what you're saying and it's a fair point. I guess it can be looked at both ways. I did refer to the drawn Grand Final earlier in my piece.

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2022-10-29T12:26:30+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks Luke, I agree, that's what I was trying to say when I said "after tenure that saw them reach three grand finals, including a famous draw with Collingwood in 2010." And when I referred to Lyon coaching sides to four grand finals, I was including the 2013 Fremantle side he coached to a Grand Final against Hawthorn.

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2022-10-29T12:21:07+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Fair point Pete

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2022-10-29T12:20:47+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Fair point there mate, I guess drawing a Grand Final is a pretty good achievement... just no chocolates unfortunately.

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2022-10-29T12:19:34+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks Simoc, I guess time will tell hey? I did see that Brad Scott has laid down the rules at the Bombers to ensure the players come ready for pre-season so it'll be interesting to see how the Bombers go next year.

AUTHOR

2022-10-29T12:17:55+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment Cat.

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2022-10-29T12:17:32+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment Gyfox. Lol, Canberra Kangaroos does have a nice ring to it, but from all reports the club are doing well off-field so as long as they can turn their on-field fortunes around, don't think they'll be going anywhere.

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2022-10-29T12:15:45+00:00

Matthew Younan

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your comment Roger, that's an interesting take lol.

2022-10-29T10:17:55+00:00

Andrew

Guest


My question is for the clowns who sacked ‘Ratts’ and clearly believe Ross the Boss is the savior to take them to the promised land - if/when this crashes and burns will they resign and remove themselves from the club? Just seems if they were so willing to throw ‘Ratts’ under the bus there should be a similar level of accountability for such significant actions.

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